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UA 223 Diversion-drunk Pax - 1/23  
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13141 posts, RR: 15
Posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

Flight UA 223 - IAD-LAS, with 129 pax and 5 crew, diverted to DEN on Saturday, 1/23 after an apparently drunk pax tried to open the cockpit door and otherwise acted in an endangering way. He was subdued by other pax and the crew and turned over to police upon arrival at DEN. There are also stories that he made odd remarks about the contents of his carry on bag, that he tried to open an fuslage door and son on. Here is a news link. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35037434/ns/us_news-airliner_security/

While we all go nuts over the terrorist threats, far too often, maybe even 1-2 times a week, the real danger we face in the air is from drunks/druggies/mentally ill persons.

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

.......and before all the questions arise again.....NO you CAN NOT open a cabin door in flight. The inner cabin pressure will prevent it from happening. After ground runs I've tried to open a door at less then 0.5 Dp and could not even budge the handle.... many planes fly at 5.0 to 8.0 Dp.


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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7134 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
the real danger we face in the air is from drunks/druggies/mentally ill persons.

Except there is no real inherent 'danger' from such! Personally, I feel diverting because of a drunk passenger to be a bit ludicrous....one must ask how did he get 'drunk' in flight with no staff being aware.


User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6971 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 2):
Except there is no real inherent 'danger' from such!

Agreed that there is no danger to the aircraft but there is the safety of other passengers and crew on board. If this passenger turned violent then I feel that's a very good reason to divert.

Quoting AirNz (Reply 2):
one must ask how did he get 'drunk' in flight with no staff being aware.

That's a good point.

Stu


User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6951 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
.......and before all the questions arise again.....NO you CAN NOT open a cabin door in flight. The inner cabin pressure will prevent it from happening. After ground runs I've tried to open a door at less then 0.5 Dp and could not even budge the handle.... many planes fly at 5.0 to 8.0 Dp.

The OP was talking about the 'cockpit door'...



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6928 times:

Here is another article regarding this flight. It looks like not only was he drinking, but mixing it with pills..

http://www.sphere.com/nation/article...use-of-unruly-passenger%2F19328972



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6927 times:

Of course this diversion had to happen, but what a nightmare it must have been for the other passengers. According to the United website, the plane left Washington three hours late due to "aircraft servicing." Couple that with the time spent in Denver, and the flight arrived in Las Vegas 5h23m behind schedule, at 8:07 p.m. instead of 2:44 p.m.


Pilot: "Request push, which way should we face?" JFK Ground: "You better face the front, sir, or you'll scare the pax!"
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 4):
The OP was talking about the 'cockpit door'..

Did you read the story..? I guess the OP didn't either... it talks of an exterior door, not the cockpit door.

[Edited 2010-01-24 10:43:01]


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User currently offlineJohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6578 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Did you read the story..? I guess the OP didn't either... it talks of an exterior door, not the cockpit door

Did YOU read the story? It also quotes a passenger in Row 3 as saying that the man tried to open the cockpit door.


User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Are we sure it was not a pilot non-revving or deadheading? JK


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26610 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6377 times:



Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 4):

The OP was talking about the 'cockpit door'...

And since 2002, doing that has been pretty much impossible as well. Pretty much the only thing in aviation security that hasn't been pure theater.



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6322 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Did you read the story..? I guess the OP didn't either... it talks of an exterior door, not the cockpit door.



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 8):
Did YOU read the story? It also quotes a passenger in Row 3 as saying that the man tried to open the cockpit door.

The title of the MSNBC story I read earlier said he tried to open an exterior door but the body of the article said he was trying to open the cockpit door. Go figure.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7311 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6322 times:
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A/c was N449UA according to my source. Glad we have proactive passengers willing to do what is necessary to ensure the safety of other travelers.  yes 


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6308 times:



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 8):
Did YOU read the story? It also quotes a passenger in Row 3 as saying that the man tried to open the cockpit door.

Yes, I did read that... but in the opening paragraph comes...

DENVER - A United Airlines jetliner carrying more than 100 people en route to Las Vegas was diverted to Denver Saturday after a passenger tried to open an exterior door on the plane while it was in flight, officials said.



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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

All of you calm down... maybe the guy tried to open both doors.

Just my two cents. Glad they got the guy off safely and the rest of them got to Vegas okay.

-J.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Why was it necessary to divert if they can subdue the passenger and restrain him?


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User currently offlineFsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5364 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
.......and before all the questions arise again.....NO you CAN NOT open a cabin door in flight. The inner cabin pressure will prevent it from happening. After ground runs I've tried to open a door at less then 0.5 Dp and could not even budge the handle.... many planes fly at 5.0 to 8.0 Dp.

I know you cannot open plug type exit doors you need to pull into the aircraft but what about the exit doors on the 737-800 that spring outward? What prevents them from being opened in flight?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3123 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5182 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
the real danger we face in the air is from drunks/druggies/mentally ill persons.

The solution to all of this is quite simple really especially for the drunks and druggies but it could also be applied to terrorists. All we do is install a toilet like system that can be used to "flush" people straight out of the aircraft.

Want to get drunk and try to open the cabin door inflight? Want to try and storm the cockpit with your buddies? Want to try and light the bomb in your shoe? Why divert the plane and inconvenience everyone when we could drop them out of the plane at 30,000 feet and just continue on with our disturbance permanently resolved for not only that flight but for every future flight they could have potentially taken? Seems like a good way to reduce overall disturbances, create a more orderly cabin environment and to get rid of a few idiots at virtually zero cost.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5175 times:



Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 16):
What prevents them from being opened in flight?

My guess would be something tied into the WOW switches..



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3631 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4341 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 17):
All we do is install a toilet like system that can be used to "flush" people straight out of the aircraft.

Could you imagine the lawsuits that would be filed because of that? Not to mention the potential for accidents and innocent people being killed.
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This sort of thing is sad.
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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
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Quoting Sydscott (Reply 17):
All we do is install a toilet like system that can be used to "flush" people straight out of the aircraft.

hahhahaahhahahaaaaaa This is the funniest thing I have ever read on A.net

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 19):
Could you imagine the lawsuits that would be filed because of that? Not to mention the potential for accidents and innocent people being killed. This sort of thing is sad.

hahhahaahhahahaaaaaa.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5715 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4171 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
My guess would be something tied into the WOW switches..

I sincerely hope not!!
Somewhat defeats the purpose of an emergency exit!



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User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4162 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 2):
Except there is no real inherent 'danger' from such! Personally, I feel diverting because of a drunk passenger to be a bit ludicrous....one must ask how did he get 'drunk' in flight with no staff being aware.

Agree, if they got him back into his seat, how dangerous is he? Just strap him into his seat and zip-tie his wrists if he is that belligerent and drunk... I don't understand the constant need for diversions in the case of drunks??? Unless he is a violent drunk with a weapon (which should not be on the aircraft in any case?). What's the point?



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4093 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 22):

Agree, if they got him back into his seat, how dangerous is he? Just strap him into his seat and zip-tie his wrists if he is that belligerent and drunk... I don't understand the constant need for diversions in the case of drunks???

Until you have had first hand experience of dealing with a loud, belligerent pax fighting to get out of the restraints. Then you might understand why we divert, unless you know more than the pilots or crew about these situations?



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1482 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4027 times:



Quoting ATTart (Reply 23):

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 22):

Agree, if they got him back into his seat, how dangerous is he? Just strap him into his seat and zip-tie his wrists if he is that belligerent and drunk... I don't understand the constant need for diversions in the case of drunks???

Until you have had first hand experience of dealing with a loud, belligerent pax fighting to get out of the restraints. Then you might understand why we divert, unless you know more than the pilots or crew about these situations?

...aaand you can't tie people to ANY part of the aircraft. They have to be able to evacuate with the same relative ease as everyone else. We can zip-tie their hands together, and we can zip-tie their feet together but can't do much else beyond that so that's why you use Able Bodied Assistants to help control them until you've landed and have law-enforcement onboard to remove them.



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25 ATTart : Thanks I forgot to mention that!!!
26 Amax1977 : What is the guy wanted to open the restroom's door, but since he was drunk, he picked the wrong door?!!!
27 Zvezda : If the crew are unable to effectively restrain one drunk passenger for the duration of the flight, then they need more capable crew. In my opinion, on
28 ATTart : You are joking right?????
29 ArmitageShanks : Well, I'll give you that. Posters here are known for their hack 1990's humor.
30 Yanqui67 : On the 737NG the emergency doors are locked during takeoff roll by a lock selenoid. During landing rollout the door is unlocked once again. Also when
31 Airport : Wow, bitter much? So you didn't see the humor, big deal, move on... Agreed in that these people really have very little danger themselves to the safe
32 Post contains links DIRECTFLT : UA 223 Saturday, Jan. 23, 2010 Flight from Dulles to Las Vegas diverted to Dener. http://www.gadling.com/2010/01/24/an...passenger-tries-to-open-the-a
33 BrouAviation : Except they are far easier to recognize, and in flight it's the cabin crew's duty to take care no one gets in such state inflight.
34 Calibansa333 : Turns up to be an a320. Maybe he was just upset that he was flying on an a320 and not a 747. I'd be upset too.
35 Kaiarahi : Not so innocent when you're the one sitting next to him for several hours. I hope you're the one sitting next to him for several hours while he's scr
36 LTBEWR : I wonder what has or will happen to this pax? I would hope that they bring him to a hospital for mental health evaluation and if has a drinking proble
37 JCS17 : Yes because we all know that drunks are expert bomb-makers. That's a very, very silly statement. A drunk person can be restrained, and worse-case sce
38 Pellegrine : Seen plenty of loud, belligerent drunks in bars. If the guy (it's always a male) is a really violent drunk, then I can see the reason. If they're jus
39 Kaiarahi : In a bar, you have the choice of leaving, or moving away from the drunk. Not so much in a plane. Drunk and annoying sitting beside you for several ho
40 ATTart : If they are just drunk and be stupid. Yea that we can handle, we have had our share drunk pax. I have drunk pax come up from Y to J and tried to use
41 Sydscott : C'mon, where's your sense of humour? Thankyou, thankyou! In all seriousness I think there are 2 fundamental solutions to this problem; 1. Remove the
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