LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12333 posts, RR: 12 Posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6644 times:
Flight UA 223 - IAD-LAS, with 129 pax and 5 crew, diverted to DEN on Saturday, 1/23 after an apparently drunk pax tried to open the cockpit door and otherwise acted in an endangering way. He was subdued by other pax and the crew and turned over to police upon arrival at DEN. There are also stories that he made odd remarks about the contents of his carry on bag, that he tried to open an fuslage door and son on. Here is a news link. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35037434/ns/us_news-airliner_security/
While we all go nuts over the terrorist threats, far too often, maybe even 1-2 times a week, the real danger we face in the air is from drunks/druggies/mentally ill persons.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6601 times:
.......and before all the questions arise again.....NO you CAN NOT open a cabin door in flight. The inner cabin pressure will prevent it from happening. After ground runs I've tried to open a door at less then 0.5 Dp and could not even budge the handle.... many planes fly at 5.0 to 8.0 Dp.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
AirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6554 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter): the real danger we face in the air is from drunks/druggies/mentally ill persons.
Except there is no real inherent 'danger' from such! Personally, I feel diverting because of a drunk passenger to be a bit ludicrous....one must ask how did he get 'drunk' in flight with no staff being aware.
Sfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6391 times:
Quoting AirNz (Reply 2): Except there is no real inherent 'danger' from such!
Agreed that there is no danger to the aircraft but there is the safety of other passengers and crew on board. If this passenger turned violent then I feel that's a very good reason to divert.
Quoting AirNz (Reply 2): one must ask how did he get 'drunk' in flight with no staff being aware.
PurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6371 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1): .......and before all the questions arise again.....NO you CAN NOT open a cabin door in flight. The inner cabin pressure will prevent it from happening. After ground runs I've tried to open a door at less then 0.5 Dp and could not even budge the handle.... many planes fly at 5.0 to 8.0 Dp.
The OP was talking about the 'cockpit door'...
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ATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6348 times:
Here is another article regarding this flight. It looks like not only was he drinking, but mixing it with pills..
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6347 times:
Of course this diversion had to happen, but what a nightmare it must have been for the other passengers. According to the United website, the plane left Washington three hours late due to "aircraft servicing." Couple that with the time spent in Denver, and the flight arrived in Las Vegas 5h23m behind schedule, at 8:07 p.m. instead of 2:44 p.m.
Pilot: "Request push, which way should we face?" JFK Ground: "You better face the front, sir, or you'll scare the pax!"
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6103 times:
Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 4): The OP was talking about the 'cockpit door'..
Did you read the story..? I guess the OP didn't either... it talks of an exterior door, not the cockpit door.
[Edited 2010-01-24 10:43:01]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Johns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): Did you read the story..? I guess the OP didn't either... it talks of an exterior door, not the cockpit door
Did YOU read the story? It also quotes a passenger in Row 3 as saying that the man tried to open the cockpit door.
747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 419 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5970 times:
Are we sure it was not a pilot non-revving or deadheading? JK
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5797 times:
Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 4):
The OP was talking about the 'cockpit door'...
And since 2002, doing that has been pretty much impossible as well. Pretty much the only thing in aviation security that hasn't been pure theater.
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Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5742 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): Did you read the story..? I guess the OP didn't either... it talks of an exterior door, not the cockpit door.
Quoting Johns624 (Reply 8): Did YOU read the story? It also quotes a passenger in Row 3 as saying that the man tried to open the cockpit door.
The title of the MSNBC story I read earlier said he tried to open an exterior door but the body of the article said he was trying to open the cockpit door. Go figure.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5742 times:
A/c was N449UA according to my source. Glad we have proactive passengers willing to do what is necessary to ensure the safety of other travelers.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5728 times:
Quoting Johns624 (Reply 8): Did YOU read the story? It also quotes a passenger in Row 3 as saying that the man tried to open the cockpit door.
Yes, I did read that... but in the opening paragraph comes...
DENVER - A United Airlines jetliner carrying more than 100 people en route to Las Vegas was diverted to Denver Saturday after a passenger tried to open an exterior door on the plane while it was in flight, officials said.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
KingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1277 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
All of you calm down... maybe the guy tried to open both doors.
Just my two cents. Glad they got the guy off safely and the rest of them got to Vegas okay.
Fsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4784 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1): .......and before all the questions arise again.....NO you CAN NOT open a cabin door in flight. The inner cabin pressure will prevent it from happening. After ground runs I've tried to open a door at less then 0.5 Dp and could not even budge the handle.... many planes fly at 5.0 to 8.0 Dp.
I know you cannot open plug type exit doors you need to pull into the aircraft but what about the exit doors on the 737-800 that spring outward? What prevents them from being opened in flight?
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2377 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4602 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter): the real danger we face in the air is from drunks/druggies/mentally ill persons.
The solution to all of this is quite simple really especially for the drunks and druggies but it could also be applied to terrorists. All we do is install a toilet like system that can be used to "flush" people straight out of the aircraft.
Want to get drunk and try to open the cabin door inflight? Want to try and storm the cockpit with your buddies? Want to try and light the bomb in your shoe? Why divert the plane and inconvenience everyone when we could drop them out of the plane at 30,000 feet and just continue on with our disturbance permanently resolved for not only that flight but for every future flight they could have potentially taken? Seems like a good way to reduce overall disturbances, create a more orderly cabin environment and to get rid of a few idiots at virtually zero cost.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4595 times:
Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 16): What prevents them from being opened in flight?
My guess would be something tied into the WOW switches..
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3362 posts, RR: 16 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3761 times:
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 17): All we do is install a toilet like system that can be used to "flush" people straight out of the aircraft.
Could you imagine the lawsuits that would be filed because of that? Not to mention the potential for accidents and innocent people being killed.
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Sandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 17): All we do is install a toilet like system that can be used to "flush" people straight out of the aircraft.
hahhahaahhahahaaaaaa This is the funniest thing I have ever read on A.net
Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 19): Could you imagine the lawsuits that would be filed because of that? Not to mention the potential for accidents and innocent people being killed. This sort of thing is sad.
Pellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1845 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
Quoting AirNz (Reply 2): Except there is no real inherent 'danger' from such! Personally, I feel diverting because of a drunk passenger to be a bit ludicrous....one must ask how did he get 'drunk' in flight with no staff being aware.
Agree, if they got him back into his seat, how dangerous is he? Just strap him into his seat and zip-tie his wrists if he is that belligerent and drunk... I don't understand the constant need for diversions in the case of drunks??? Unless he is a violent drunk with a weapon (which should not be on the aircraft in any case?). What's the point?
ATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 22):
Agree, if they got him back into his seat, how dangerous is he? Just strap him into his seat and zip-tie his wrists if he is that belligerent and drunk... I don't understand the constant need for diversions in the case of drunks???
Until you have had first hand experience of dealing with a loud, belligerent pax fighting to get out of the restraints. Then you might understand why we divert, unless you know more than the pilots or crew about these situations?
Remember: When someone talks behind your back, it only means you're two steps ahead of them!
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3447 times:
Agree, if they got him back into his seat, how dangerous is he? Just strap him into his seat and zip-tie his wrists if he is that belligerent and drunk... I don't understand the constant need for diversions in the case of drunks???
Until you have had first hand experience of dealing with a loud, belligerent pax fighting to get out of the restraints. Then you might understand why we divert, unless you know more than the pilots or crew about these situations?
...aaand you can't tie people to ANY part of the aircraft. They have to be able to evacuate with the same relative ease as everyone else. We can zip-tie their hands together, and we can zip-tie their feet together but can't do much else beyond that so that's why you use Able Bodied Assistants to help control them until you've landed and have law-enforcement onboard to remove them.
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26 Amax1977: What is the guy wanted to open the restroom's door, but since he was drunk, he picked the wrong door?!!!
27 Zvezda: If the crew are unable to effectively restrain one drunk passenger for the duration of the flight, then they need more capable crew. In my opinion, on
29 ArmitageShanks: Well, I'll give you that. Posters here are known for their hack 1990's humor.
30 Yanqui67: On the 737NG the emergency doors are locked during takeoff roll by a lock selenoid. During landing rollout the door is unlocked once again. Also when
31 Airport: Wow, bitter much? So you didn't see the humor, big deal, move on... Agreed in that these people really have very little danger themselves to the safe
32 DIRECTFLT: UA 223 Saturday, Jan. 23, 2010 Flight from Dulles to Las Vegas diverted to Dener. http://www.gadling.com/2010/01/24/an...passenger-tries-to-open-the-a
33 BrouAviation: Except they are far easier to recognize, and in flight it's the cabin crew's duty to take care no one gets in such state inflight.
34 Calibansa333: Turns up to be an a320. Maybe he was just upset that he was flying on an a320 and not a 747. I'd be upset too.
35 Kaiarahi: Not so innocent when you're the one sitting next to him for several hours. I hope you're the one sitting next to him for several hours while he's scr
36 LTBEWR: I wonder what has or will happen to this pax? I would hope that they bring him to a hospital for mental health evaluation and if has a drinking proble
37 JCS17: Yes because we all know that drunks are expert bomb-makers. That's a very, very silly statement. A drunk person can be restrained, and worse-case sce
38 Pellegrine: Seen plenty of loud, belligerent drunks in bars. If the guy (it's always a male) is a really violent drunk, then I can see the reason. If they're jus
39 Kaiarahi: In a bar, you have the choice of leaving, or moving away from the drunk. Not so much in a plane. Drunk and annoying sitting beside you for several ho
40 ATTart: If they are just drunk and be stupid. Yea that we can handle, we have had our share drunk pax. I have drunk pax come up from Y to J and tried to use
41 Sydscott: C'mon, where's your sense of humour? Thankyou, thankyou! In all seriousness I think there are 2 fundamental solutions to this problem; 1. Remove the
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