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KLM 747 Upper Deck Overhead Bins  
User currently offlineMockney From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11853 times:

Are you able to fit a wheelie case into the upper deck overhead bins on a KLM 747?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24880 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11838 times:



Quoting Mockney (Thread starter):
Are you able to fit a wheelie case into the upper deck overhead bins on a KLM 747?

It would depend on the size, but the one I use doesn't fit the upper deck bins on any of half a dozen carriers I've flown on the upper deck (including KL), although it fits the standard bins on the main deck. It's not especially large, well within the maximum carry-on dimensions. However, on the upper deck there's room for carry-on bags in the closet at the top of the stairs so its not a major issue.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11818 times:

What do you mean by wheelie case and what are the dimensions? If your case does not fit on the overhead bins crew will happily store your case in the storage near the galley (where they will also hang your coat if you have one). Considering you are flying C (upper deck on KLM is all C), I would instead book a seat on lower deck since the lower deck C cabin is more spacious (only 4 rows 2 x 2 lay out and in my opinion the best seats are in row 3).

Rgs,


User currently offlineMockney From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11750 times:

By wheelie case, I mean a case that fits the hand-luggage dimensions and has wheels and a retractable handle.

The lower deck is better? I've read some comments that the lower World Business Class cabin isn't as quiet as upstairs. What do others think, upper or lower deck?


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2086 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11675 times:

Lower deck C-class (former first class) is noise wise superior to the upper-deck.
The best seats are in rows 2 or 3. Row 1 is a little bit claustrophobic (looking at the forward wall) and row 4 is close to the L1 and R1 entry doors, always causing some extra noise
Only after T/O you have some extra sound after gear retraction. (stopping of the nose wheel rotation by rubbing pads.

[Edited 2010-01-24 12:53:18]

[Edited 2010-01-24 13:50:22]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24880 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11638 times:



Quoting Mockney (Reply 3):
The lower deck is better? I've read some comments that the lower World Business Class cabin isn't as quiet as upstairs. What do others think, upper or lower deck?

Many people, including me, find that there is more aerodynamic noise on the upper deck since the cabin ceiling is very close to the skin of the aircraft. I much prefer the nose cabin on any 747s where that cabin is J class. It's the best place to fly on any 747. The wide aisle and high ceiling makes it seem more spacious than the upper deck. You also avoid having to climb the stairs with sometimes heavy carry-on bags, and as alrealy mentioned, the overhead bins are much larger. On an airline where the nose cabin (A-zone) is first class, then I would probably choose the upper deck.

And on the few airlines like AF where the upper deck is Y class, it's always my first choice as it's much more private (and on AF, has 2 or 3 inches more seat pitch) than Y class on the main deck. Some of the best Y class flights I've had have been on the upper deck of AF 744s.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11611 times:



Quoting Mockney (Reply 3):
The lower deck is better? I've read some comments that the lower World Business Class cabin isn't as quiet as upstairs. What do others think, upper or lower deck?



Quoting 747classic (Reply 4):
Lower deck C-class (former first class) is sound wise superior to the upper-deck.
The best seats are in rows 2 or 3.

Row 3 in the front cabin (nose) of the B747 is my favourite seat in the whole of KLM fleet. No doubt, lower deck is far better than the upper deck. The lower deck (previous F cabin) is far more exclusive with 4 rows in 2 x 2 lay out and a news stand in the middle.

Rgs,


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11382 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
And on the few airlines like AF where the upper deck is Y class, it's always my first choice

The only problem being that this upper deck Y class is reserved for preferred customers with status and the rest is on a first come - first served basis + 50 Eur (that was at least the case last year).



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11335 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
And on the few airlines like AF where the upper deck is Y class, it's always my first choice as it's much more private (and on AF, has 2 or 3 inches more seat pitch) than Y class on the main deck. Some of the best Y class flights I've had have been on the upper deck of AF 744s.



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 7):
The only problem being that this upper deck Y class is reserved for preferred customers with status and the rest is on a first come - first served basis + 50 Eur (that was at least the case last year).

I agree with the above. And AF B747 front cabin (nose) also has its best C cabin which is also very exclusive and with 2 x 2 lay out (different from the horribly packed AF B773 or B772 C cabin).

Rgs,


User currently offlineSt530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

Count me in as also preferring the lower deck on KL. It's fun to go up the stairs for the first time and imagine that you're stepping into an exclusive domain like the chichi upper-deck lounges of yesteryear, but once you get up there, aside from the funky higher-than-normal view when on the ground, it's inferior to the nose cabin. As others have said, it's noisier and feels so much smaller and narrower ('cause it is) than the spacious and exclusive-feeling nose section. I actually prefer the middle section of Row 4 because both passengers have aisle access without disturbing the other. Alas, post-CO's departure from SkyTeam, I doubt I'll be making any more KL runs on IAH-AMS.  Sad

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9832 times:



Quoting St530 (Reply 9):
I actually prefer the middle section of Row 4 because both passengers have aisle access without disturbing the other.

Row 4 middle is another excellent option.

Quoting St530 (Reply 9):
but once you get up there, aside from the funky higher-than-normal view

Because of window layout you dont even have a proper view from the outside on the upper deck.

Rgs,


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9526 times:

To be honest, I haven't used the lower deck C, but I quite like the cozy feeling of the small upper deck. And if you take row 77 (esp a or b) there is an abundance of legroom.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
Because of window layout you dont even have a proper view from the outside on the upper deck.

That is indeed the major drawback of the upper deck IMHO.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
the overhead bins are much larger

I do like the bins between the seat and window. Are those on the lower deck as well? Either way, the bins on the upper deck can be compared to smaller regional aircraft. Quite small really.

Quoting St530 (Reply 9):
It's fun to go up the stairs for the first time and imagine that you're stepping into an exclusive domain like the chichi upper-deck lounges of yesteryear

That is indeed fun... for the first time. I remember when I was young I was always envious of the people that got to sit "upstairs". So it was nice being one of those people the first time.



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User currently offlineMockney From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9388 times:

Thanks for all the comments, keep them coming!

I wonder what Henkybaby's take on the 'upper or lower' question is, with his frequent KLM flights?


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9232 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 11):
I do like the bins between the seat and window. Are those on the lower deck as well?

No, there are no small bins on the lower deck which is why the overhead bins are bigger.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 11):
I quite like the cozy feeling of the small upper deck

The lower deck is smaller and cosier than the upper deck (it has only 4 rows against 7 rows on the upper deck, or 24 seats on the upper deck compared to 18 setas on the lower deck).

Rgs,


User currently offlineB6MoneyGuyJFK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Last year I had the pleasure of flying AMS-JFK on KLM and was assigned the last row on the upper deck. It was my first time flying "upstairs" on any 747, and ever since a kid it always held some sort of mystique. Can't really explain why. Maybe it was that staircase..
Loved the view, and enjoyed the intimate-ness of the upper deck.
Our wheelies and coats were whisked away by the staff, but our window seat had a great storage area right against the wall. This was great for our carryons and stuff purchased in
duty-free. I would happily ride in that seat again.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Upperdeck has it's advantages, the handy side boxes to store your shoes, newspaper handbag, the couzy environment and (this is insider info, don't forward) quicker and better services. The FA in the A zone is on her own for 18 seats, on the upperdeck there are 2 FA's for 24 seats, guess who gets his meals faster / more seconds of personal attention  Wink

Window seat right behind the emergency exits, you can still get out of the seat while your neighbour sleeps, combines the advantages of aisle & window seat. If you bend your neck you can see still see an outboard engine. I guess if the aircraft hits anything you better off there too..


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6492 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
No, there are no small bins on the lower deck which is why the overhead bins are bigger.

I think there is no direct relation between the two. Because of the curvature of the fuselage, the seats can't fit directly against the wall, leaving the space for the bins.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
The lower deck is smaller and cosier than the upper deck (it has only 4 rows against 7 rows on the upper deck, or 24 seats on the upper deck compared to 18 setas on the lower deck).

I meant cozy as in the fact that it's narrow and well, small. However, as I mentioned, I have not flown in the nose (yet) so I can't really compare. I'm just saying I do like it upstairs. Maybe I'll never go back up once I tried the nose section  Smile

Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
2 FA's for 24 seats, guess who gets his meals faster / more seconds of personal attention

Indeed, service is great. And the last time we had one of the most beautiful female f/a's I have ever seen. That certainly helps pass the time...  Big grin

Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
Window seat right behind the emergency exits

Yep, row 77. Fantastic!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24880 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 5107 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 16):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
No, there are no small bins on the lower deck which is why the overhead bins are bigger.

I think there is no direct relation between the two. Because of the curvature of the fuselage, the seats can't fit directly against the wall, leaving the space for the bins.

The sharper inward angle of the top of the fuselage in the upper deck also makes the windows harder to see out of than on the main deck.


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4993 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
I guess if the aircraft hits anything you better off there too..

Good to know  Smile



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