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727 On Its' Tail In PHL Why?  
User currently offlineUpsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Today there was a Capital Cargo International Boeing 727 on it's tail in PHL surrounded by police on the cargo apron. As of 10:45pm EST, the 727 has been brought down by a crane. Does anyone know if this was an loading/unloading mishap?

[Edited 2010-01-26 12:13:34 by srbmod]

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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1279 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8246 times:

That's what it usually is.

If you don't maintain a load or two up front while loading each aft position it will sit up and beg like a hungry dog. We would normally load positions 1 and 2 first then stage a container in position 5. Next a container would be staged in 3 and the one in 5 would go back to 11. This sequence then repeats until the load is complete. Most aircraft follow some variation of this sequence although some (the 727 being one) are easier to tip than others.


User currently offlineUpsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8118 times:

Yea that what we use to do with our 727's at ups but they could only hold 8 containers up top we also had a tail post. We put position 1 in first then position 8 stage in position 4 so on so on...

User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1244 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

When it fell back on it's tail. It then spun around - was facing southbound.

User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 7486 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 3):
When it fell back on it's tail. It then spun around - was facing southbound.

Wind must have caught it.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

Is it windy? at DAB we had a 727 knocked on its tail twice due to wind. After a minimal hurricane, the plane was knocked on its tail and rotated 90 degrees!


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User currently offlineTrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 7427 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
Is it windy? at DAB we had a 727 knocked on its tail twice due to wind. After a minimal hurricane, the plane was knocked on its tail and rotated 90 degrees!

Whew... would have been interesting to see that happen! I wonder what went through the MX crews when they returned after the hurricane.. "What the...I know I left that 727 sitting over here!!"


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 7420 times:



Quoting Trigged (Reply 6):
Whew... would have been interesting to see that happen! I wonder what went through the MX crews when they returned after the hurricane.. "What the...I know I left that 727 sitting over here!!"

I didnt see it happen, one time it was during a severe thunderstorm and we noticed it when we went outside after, the 2nd time as overnight when Hurricane Charlie passed over.



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User currently offlineUpsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 7260 times:

I did notice that when I saw that it was facing the wrong way but I wasn't sure what happen.
Can the wind really pick up the nose of a 727 and put it on its' tail? I know a couple months ago when we had high winds in PHL and couple of are UPS 757s noses slid about 5 feet twisting the nose gear had to put them on jacks and inspect them.

[Edited 2010-01-26 12:14:48 by srbmod]

User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1599 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

Ooops, we always put the tail stand on prior to unloading and loading and leave it on. I'm not saying they didn't but that's the reason we do it. That is one tail heavy airplane and it wouldn't take much to put her on her butt in the right conditions. I wonder if during it's spin it took any ground equipment out.


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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

While working for CO in SLC, we were doing a quick turn on a 727-200. We had the Wallstreet journal contract and they were loaded in the aft bin. The guys up front were downloading the bags faster than I was with the papers. Next thing I knew the beltloader was up at the ceiling, and thought the other rampers were screwing around. It turns out that the a/c had tipped up so the back bin was down lower, what was keeping it from going all the way up was the jetway.. We usually droped the airstairs (CO policy) but on this turn we had not. What we ended up doing is reloading bags quickly up front then the a/c settled back into place. But I will say this.....the 727 was a rampers plane. Very easy to work around, with lots of space for everything.
JD CRPXE



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User currently offlineCptspeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

Sounds like a loading mistake - MD11s are notorious for that as well.


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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

anyone have a reg number for the plane in question? CCI flies the 727 into TOL all the time....

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6192 times:



Quoting Upsphl (Reply 8):
I did notice that when I saw that it was facing the wrong way but I wasn't sure what happen.
Can the wind really pick up the nose of a 727 and put it on its' tail? I know a couple months ago when we had high winds in PHL and couple of are UPS 757s noses slid about 5 feet twisting the nose gear had to put them on jacks and inspect them.

Yes the wind can pick up a 727. When I was with FedEx at ONT we had really strong winds (January 2003) it took our 727 for a spin and actually turned it around on the gate, luckily there was no major damage.

Wind can also drop a DC-9, out at MHV when I was at the tower a few weeks back wind had picked up the nose of an Aero California DC-9 and tipped it.

Not to be nit picky but...

Quoting Upsphl (Reply 8):
couple of are UPS 757s

It's OUR UPS 757's not ARE UPS 757's.

FX1816


User currently onlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

The 727 was probably a bit too excited about kissing the sky that day  duck 


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User currently offlineNomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

That's how you work on the front landing gear.


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