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Dulles Debuts AeroTrain At IAD  
User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13941 times:
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Dulles airport finally flipped the switch on the AeroTrain, which should replace some of the "Mobile Lounge" vehicles they've had since the 1960's. They'll have about 30 trains, with an estimated maximum transit time of 5 minutes (including waiting up to 2 minutes for the next train) - versus the up to 30 minutes the old system can take end-to-end.

The one thing that stuck out to me is the cost: Over $1.5 Billion - at $4.50/pax (Their PFC, it would take over 40 years to pay for itself! Any ideas as to why the system cost over $500 million/mile?

News article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2010/01/25/AR2010012502837.html

and some excellent reading here (The PDFs at the bottom are especially worth a look to anyone interested).

http://www.metwashairports.com/dulle...ment_2/projects/aerotrain_system_2


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13784 times:

Congrats to IAD!

AeroTrain  checkmark 
3rd Parallel Runway (4th in total)  checkmark 
Concourse B Expansion  checkmark 
International Arrivals Expansion  checkmark 

Metrorail coming in 2016...

Now all they need is a new Concourse C for UA...

"Bennett said it is too soon to say when a new concourse could open. Airport officials are beginning talks with United Airlines, the dominant carrier at Dulles, and other airlines that lease space there about funding the project."

Good sign but I have a feeling that UA isn't going to commit to something like this until profits are solid...

I think IAD could end up being quite the powerhouse hub for UA once all of these projects are done!


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13460 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Thread starter):
Any ideas as to why the system cost over $500 million/mile?

I heard a figure of something like 10 years of design + 8 years of digging. So that's "only" $83M/year. 18 years of labor has got to cost a ton, plus you have the cost of the digging machines, the train cars, etc. And, of course, it's in DC of all places  Wink


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13395 times:

Nice quote:
"Orlando and Dallas airports added train stations at their rental car offices, but Dulles officials said the rental car business at the Northern Virginia airport isn't robust enough to warrant that kind of access."

I know that DFW does not have access to the rental car facility, since the train is inside security and only runs around the semi-circular terminals. And the last time I checked, MCO's rental car facilities were located in the parking garages - a two minute walk from baggage claim and no where near the trains.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13258 times:

The ATS train at ORD goes right over the rental car facilities but does not stop, never could figure out why they wouldn't add a stop for the rentals. For that matter, if it went a little further, it could stop at some of the Rosemont hotels or even do a big loop in Rosemont and hit all of the hotels, two Metra stations and the convention center!

User currently offlineDenverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13144 times:

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Thread starter):
Any ideas as to why the system cost over $500 million/mile?

They had to tunnel, which add costs--through rock as well. If it had been just cut and cover, it would have been cheaper. Sounds like they had to inject a type of concrete into the rock as well.

Plus, I'm sure they had to deal with connecting to/being under existing structures.

Also, it's 5 miles, not 3. So, guess that would be 300 million/mile, though that doesn't account for the concourse stations and structures etc. So, can't really say that much per mile.

[Edited 2010-01-26 15:40:43 by DenverDanny]

[Edited 2010-01-26 15:44:52 by DenverDanny]

User currently offlineDenverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

A page on the bottom of this pdf gives a matrix of the costs.
http://www.mwaa.com/_/file/_/aerotrain_paper.pdf

Some info:

148 million for design.
1,043 million for construction.

"The total design and construction cost for the AeroTrain, including the stations, tunnels,
maintenance and control facility, vehicles, guideway and power systems is $1.3 billion.
Of that total, the program cost of the APM system elements such as the vehicles, train
control, guideway surface, guidance and power rails, traction power systems, central
control facilities (a primary and alternate control room), 128 station platform doors, and
fit-out of the maintenance and control facility is $193 million, or 16 percent. The fixed
facility costs are by far the greater costs of the overall AeroTrain program."

It was both cut-and-cover AND tunnels. They did have to go through solid rock too.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13116 times:

Couple notes...been riding it for a few days...employees had access...minimal seats...mostly standees....bright interior...nicely designed stations....it is great for B..drops right at it. C is a 100 yd walk back for now as it drops at where the new concourse will go...plan an extra 5 minutes for that. D is still the lounges. Headway during testing was about 2-3 minutes. I know the lounges were old..sucked a lot of diesel...pain to fix but they gave a great view of an operating airport and scenery....

User currently offlineDenverDanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

I always enjoyed the mobile lounges as kid traveling to visit to my grandma. Something different. However, the last time I was out there about 10 years ago, it seemed to take forever for the lounge to come to the concourse to pick people up.

[Edited 2010-01-26 16:31:01]

[Edited 2010-01-26 16:33:46]

User currently offlineIad51fl From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12545 times:

Aww man, I wanted to fly up on opening day. Guess I will have to wait and go up Friday or Saturday. I had been keeping up with it, but missed the announcement.

Chris



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User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

It was not publicly announced until Jan 25, a day before. They privately had been planning on the 26th since the new year but since the testing took 5 months longer than anticipated they waited until the employees and final testing were done on Sunday. Nice system but you still have to ride a Mobile Lounge to the D terminal and all arriving International flights. Lots of escalators and elevators. People who need an elevator have to ride 8 of them in order to get between terminal A and C.

User currently offlineCalibansa333 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Wow, That will be quite a change. A nice change. Looking forward to testing it out on Monday.

User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1733 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11101 times:



Quoting Iadbudd (Reply 10):
Nice system but you still have to ride a Mobile Lounge to the D terminal and all arriving International flights. Lots of escalators and elevators. People who need an elevator have to ride 8 of them in order to get between terminal A and C.

Good point. International arrivals and the midfield terminal will still utilize mobile lounges. This will probably confuse many travellers at first.


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10873 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 7):
I know the lounges were old..sucked a lot of diesel...pain to fix but they gave a great view of an operating airport and scenery....

Indeed, having tested the systems at SIN, MIA and MCO I can vouch for their convenience but those mobile lounges sure were very enjoyable from my spotter-aviation lover point of view!



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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9468 times:

Any plans to integrate the international arrival building into the system?


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User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9193 times:

Due to the money situation with UA and MWAA plans for the Aerotrain to serve International arriving flights have been put on the back of the shelf a while back. As well as the new C/D terminal. That is why the new train station for the C is in the future location and passengers have to walk back through a short underground walkway into the current "Temporary" C terminal. This makes the transit time for connecting UA pax between C and A longer than the previous Mobile Lounge service between the two. Especially factoring in the eight escalators and one moving walkway.

User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9098 times:

FINALLY its done! FINALLY!

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23223 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8886 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 7):
I know the lounges were old..sucked a lot of diesel...pain to fix but they gave a great view of an operating airport and scenery....

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I'm not sure about the cost/benefit calculus of the train.

The new security checkpoint was sorely needed, and I won't go on record criticizing it, but the mobile lounges worked/work well enough.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6694 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8850 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
I'm not sure about the cost/benefit calculus of the train.

In the near-term, you are probably right as the cost/benefit numbers probably aren't too great. Long-term though, the train makes more sense as IAD grows.

Imagine if an airport like ATL had to use people movers...what a mess it would be. IAD is certainly no where near ATL in traffic volume, but in time IAD will grow and the people movers would become increasingly problematic. ATC already hates the people movers and there have been plenty of close calls between planes and people movers.

I'm sure that if the MWAA folks had a crystal ball and could have seen the traffic fall related to 9/11 and the more recent economic slump, they might have held off on the train a little longer. But in the big picture, if IAD is to become a larger hub it needs the facilities in place to do so. They've now got the train, the new runway and a lot of other secondary items complete. The last big item of course is the mid-field terminal, but that will obviously have to wait a while.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8839 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):

I'm not sure about the cost/benefit calculus of the train.

The new security checkpoint was sorely needed, and I won't go on record criticizing it, but the mobile lounges worked/work well enough.

Like the above poster long term I believe it will more than pay for itself. If the project was delayed another 5, 10, 15 years it would have costed significantly more to do. Not to mention the cost of maintaining aging mobile lounges, paying the drivers, and all those little buggers running all over the airport.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23223 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8805 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 19):
If the project was delayed another 5, 10, 15 years it would have costed significantly more to do.

There are good reasons to favor the train, but unless you can show that costs would have increased faster than MWAA's money would have grown had they invested it, this isn't one of them.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 18):
but in time IAD will grow and the people movers would become increasingly problematic.

I guess my question is how far in advance we need to look - and whether that's a reasonable distance. Certainly, for most of the day, the people movers run around pretty empty.



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User currently offlineMacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8758 times:
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A company for whom I once worked leased property from the MWAA. In a casual conversation with one of MWAA's long serving employees, she mentioned to me that the "mobile lounges" were sized for capacity at the estimated load of an aircraft arrving at IAD, i.e. one lounge per arriving aircraft. Having ridden the lounges numerous times when they were quite packed with only a fraction of the load off a wide-body, I wondered who had not factored in the wide-body era in the mobile lounge design.

Does any other airport in the world use them or are they an orphan, rather like SFO's BART?



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8758 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
There are good reasons to favor the train, but unless you can show that costs would have increased faster than MWAA's money would have grown had they invested it, this isn't one of them.

As the MWAA is a public agency they can't really invest their money in the same way a private entity can. For something like an airport developing your facilities -- infrastructure is a better word in this case -- is the investment.


Ultimately the aerotrain makes sense because:

1. The long-term serviceability of the mobile lounges has to be suspect. Both in terms of maintaining them and keeping a staff of drivers.
2. Having an efficient way of getting people between terminals is something a world class airport has -- the people mover is not seen in the same light. If the aerotrain improves the passenger experience and more people choose to fly out of Dulles then MWAA wins in that regard.
3. Dulles will continue to grow and to some extent the aerotrain is a bit of future proofing.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6694 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8720 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
I guess my question is how far in advance we need to look - and whether that's a reasonable distance. Certainly, for most of the day, the people movers run around pretty empty.

For the purposes of planning, most airports have to look ahead up to 20 years, because of how long it can take to fund and actually build any major project. When a lot of the initial work on the Aerotrain was done in the 90's, traffic projections for IAD in 2010 put it well ahead of where we are now. Had those projections come true, the people movers would be really strained by now.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23223 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8711 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 23):
When a lot of the initial work on the Aerotrain was done in the 90's, traffic projections for IAD in 2010 put it well ahead of where we are now. Had those projections come true, the people movers would be really strained by now.

What did they look like?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 FlyPNS1 : Forecasting done back in 2000 had IAD somewhere between 32-35 million annual passengers for 2010. There was some reasoning behind this projection as
26 Cubsrule : What was traffic like in 2004/05?
27 Toltommy : Widebody aircraft have more than one door to use for boarding/deplaning. It really wasn't an issue to have 2 or 3 pull up at once, unlike a DC9.....
28 FlyPNS1 : During the peak of Independence Air hysteria, IAD hit about 27 million.
29 Cubsrule : That's interesting; I don't recall the lounges being especially terrible then, and I flew DH a bit. Of course, that's still 5-8 million below the pro
30 TLHFLA : I flew out of IAD on Tuesday. I think they still have some tweaking to do with the AeroTrain. I noticed when the train arrives there is very little ti
31 The777Man : I used the new AeroTrrain arriving Tuesday night and departing Wedneday night and I thought it was nice. The cars are of a good size; my only gripe wi
32 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : This one is kind of a tough call, but I agree with Cubsrule. As desirable as an underground train system is, what MWAA bought is not worth the price.
33 DenverDanny : Well, maybe they should have built a real cheap and very basic temporary station at the existing concourse rather than an expensive one at the unbuilt
34 Cubsrule : I think it is a tough call, largely for the reasons you've elucidated. But there's another question, too, I think: what else could they have done wit
35 FlyPNS1 : But as I mentioned earlier, the expectation for "today" was that traffic would be nearing 35 million passengers and that the new C/D would also be un
36 DCA-ROCguy : But there's another question, too, I think: what else could they have done with the money? The new checkpoint, as I said, was unquestionably a good in
37 Cubsrule : My point was this: with the money they spent on the train, they could probably have built the new checkpoint 5-10 times over. That means that the mon
38 DCA-ROCguy : Cubsrule--got it. Sorry I didn't understand. I agree that a number of other projects could potentially have hlelped passengers more. I've long thought
39 pnwtraveler : I have only ridden on the Mobile lounges/Air buses twice. One time was deplaining from an AC 747 at YYZ to Terminal Two. The other time I am very fuzz
40 RJpieces : I'm very happy it finally opened, and it will serve Dulles for decades to come! How would this work? Dedicated cars on the current AeroTrain track? It
41 DCA-ROCguy : Once the Metro reaches IAD I think it make it even harder to get people to fly to BWI. Because I typically go into DC proper DCA is always my first ch
42 DCA-ROCguy : It can't wait that much longer. It is an absolute dump. And now with the long walk from the station to the C concourse, it is beyond time to start pla
43 Cubsrule : I think your analysis of BWI versus IAD is right on (and as a frequent visitor but not a local, I'd agree). I do have a question about this: would it
44 RJpieces : Good point. But if United wants to consolidate A into the new C, it might have to be a C/D midfield terminal...
45 Post contains images pnwtraveler : True forgot about the M I forgot about the MARC train because I avoid BWI  . And don't remind me about the argument, because I have sat at lunches wh
46 DCA-ROCguy : I do have a question about this: would it be possible for silver to run along the Orange track, then east along Blue to the Pentagon, and then north a
47 DCA-ROCguy : Good point. But if United wants to consolidate A into the new C, it might have to be a C/D midfield terminal... Has UA indicated that they would like
48 AA777 : I will always remember fondly the mobile lounges that are now being in their last days. Yes, they could be inconvenient and slow... but it was the bes
49 FlyPNS1 : Maybe they were. However, IAD went from 10 million passengers in 1990 to 20 million in 2000....an annualized growth rate of nearly 7%. The growth rat
50 RJpieces : Once they are building a new mid-field terminal, it would probably be a minimal cost to extend it to have room for regional operations and they would
51 Post contains images fbgdavidson : As a regular IAD user I've been seeing some of these enhancements trickle through the system over the last couple of years and have watched the constr
52 RJpieces : Meanwhile, wow, look at Dulles!!!! I don't think people realize how far the airport has come!!!!!! In the last ten years alone and many of these in th
53 Cubsrule : It's pretty easy to completely segregate domestic and international on the trains. They'll simply use some cars for domestic and some for internation
54 RJpieces : But given the current set up of it, they would need to built quarantined/dedicated passages from the international arrival gates to the aeroTrain sta
55 DCA-ROCguy : Seriously? It's only 500ft for Christ's sake! Tell that to a connecting passenger whose inbound flight in another terminal was late, who needs every m
56 NYC2theworld : In the US you are allowed to have certain items in your checked luggage but cannot carry on. (For example liquids over 3oz). Since you have access to
57 MasseyBrown : BWI is more convenient for NW Washington and Montgomery Co. than you think. In this part of town BWI vs IAD is a toss up in terms of travel time in n
58 Post contains links tharanga : For using B, I'd given up on the mobile lounges long ago; I'd just walk through the tunnel. Now, is there any location in Term B that's faster to reac
59 gdg9 : I rode the train Thursday before my IAD-CRW flight, it was very nice.
60 fbgdavidson : When I meant mixing I referred to the practice of the same trains handling departures and international arrivals passengers, but not necessarily at t
61 Cubsrule : IIRC, some parts of at least one of the trains at MCO are used by arriving international passengers and then departing passengers; the DHS freakout i
62 iaddca : -ROCguythat one will need to change trains halfway there at East Falls Church. they're not spending $5 billion in order for people to change trains, i
63 iaddca : that thing is brutal, 30 minute ride, 15 minute wait for a shuttle bus, rather just take the metrobus from Greenbelt which drops you right at the ter
64 DCA-ROCguy : that thing is brutal, 30 minute ride, 15 minute wait for a shuttle bus, rather just take the metrobus from Greenbelt which drops you right at the term
65 DCA-ROCguy : they're not spending $5 billion in order for people to change trains, it will be a one seat journey no matter how much that concerns you because of po
66 Post contains images SeaBosDca : I am probably the "disagreement" you are referring to...      We'll see if they can make it work, but the current plan is to make several adjustme
67 MSJYOP28Apilot : I think terminating at DCA instead of EFC or Stadium Armory metro is better during rush hour and routing the blue line through L'Enfant during rush h
68 tharanga : Such ideas might work mathematically, but I don't favor them. It's one thing for the Red line to sometimes terminate before the end of the line. But
69 Cubsrule : Maybe the colors need to be changed (and/or maybe more colors are necessary); commuters and the public can (and do) adapt to changes with a relativel
70 DCA-ROCguy : One problem with putting Blue trains onto Yellow track is the question of what to do at L'Enfant Plaza, where it would meet up with undiverted Blue tr
71 Cubsrule : Why not just call them Yellow and run them as Yellow trains? That would seem to be the easiest solution.
72 tharanga : That, maybe. Boston also has branched lines. It's a bit more confusing when you combine branching with overlaps, but it isn't impossible. Anyway, wha
73 Cubsrule : I'm not convinced that branching is necessary. To me, the easy solution to the Silver "problem" seems to be 1) Simultaneously increase Yellow service
74 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : If it weren't for the need to serve Arlington, I'd advocate eliminating Blue entirely and simply running Yellow as a service that goes both to Springf
75 Cubsrule : That's a very good idea. But here's another interesting question: does Arlington Cemetery need service at all? I don't ride Blue much - and when I do
76 DCA-ROCguy : That's a very good idea. But here's another interesting question: does Arlington Cemetery need service at all? I don't ride Blue much - and when I do
77 FlyPNS1 : Technically, no. As you note, passenger volume at Arlington Cemetery is very low...mostly just tourists. However, politically I think it would be a n
78 SeaBosDca : This is easy to solve. Very few people will be taking one train all the way from one end to the other. So, for example, for an Orange Line train goin
79 D L X : M STREET LINE!!! It's WAY overdue. Make the Silver Line (or one of the Blue or Orange lines) cross the Potomac in Georgetown and go down M street, al
80 tharanga : Arlington Cemetery is the least used station (follow the links in my earlier reply), but that stretch provides useful connections. Why not have the Si
81 DCA-ROCguy : Why not have the Silver replace the Orange altogether, and have the Orange just be a service that goes back and forth between East Falls and Vienna at
82 tharanga : It is Fairfax County against itself there, though. An inconvenience to those boarding at Vienna/Dunn Loring/West Falls, in order to provide more conv
83 Cubsrule : Are there three tracks at EFC?
84 DCA-ROCguy : We have an aviation focus here, but I'd expect the Tysons stops to get more ridership than IAD. Yes. Sure, Tysons powers-that-be are hacked off becaus
85 tharanga : That's what I was wondering about. I can't picture it in my head right now. Maybe google maps can show it. But they'll be doing some major work at EF
86 SeaBosDca : No, although within the context of constructing an entire new line, adding another one wouldn't be hard. But there is enough ridership from the outer
87 SeaBosDca : Politically, there isn't much trouble with a slow trip to IAD. Most users of airport stations are either airport employees -- hardly the most wealthy
88 Post contains links BOSSAN : Metro ran a July 4-only service for most of the last decade's festivities, intended to take as many people to and from the parking garages as possible
89 DesertJets : I'd fully concur there. The Silver Line from Dulles to downtown DC is no worse than riding the CTA blue line from O'Hare to the Loop. WMATAs decision
90 SeaBosDca : That suggests to me that we should reduce the number of Blue Line trains (to stuff more Orange/Silver trains through Rosslyn), not eliminate the line
91 Post contains links tharanga : This page has a nice map of what the system would look like with a new tunnel for the blue line. It is apparently based to some extent on the pronounc
92 panova98 : Congratulations to the Washington airport on opening the AeroTrain at IAD. I used it the first day it opened on Tuesday, the 26th. Outstanding, clean,
93 iadbudd : They changed all the signage overnight and at 4am on the 26th the first travelers got on the trains. At 10 am they had a ribbon cutting ceremony with
94 BOSSAN : Well, hm. The plan outlined in the Final Environmental Impact Statement calls for rush hour service through Rosslyn of 4-5 trains per hour (tph) on t
95 Post contains links and images atct : Old: New: Im gonna miss those old mobile lounges. I remember as a kid riding them around (when you could go through security...whole nother rant there
96 panova98 : Thanks for the pictures. The "Old" picture is actually a "Plane Mate," a variation of the orginal Chrysler/Budd "Mobile Lounge." It allows for direct
97 F9fan : I believe Metro can handle a minimum headway of a train every two minutes. Unless they changed it when I wasn't looking, currently the Orange/Blue li
98 RJpieces : As mentioned above, they would need to tunnel towards the FIS clearing station and build a new aeroTrain station there, in addition to building steri
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