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User currently offlineElDanno From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Is this really off course by that much, or just a flightaware glitch?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA797

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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting FlightAware:
At least part of this flight occurs outside of FlightAware's service area. Information on this page may be unreliable.

My guess is it is just a FlightAware glitch

EDIT: And here is the permalink: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20100126/2135Z/LLBG/KPHL

[Edited 2010-01-26 22:27:28]


Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YSJ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s):
User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Strange that you can still track it with the USA identifier, since they use AWE now.


Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

It may be a flightaware glitch, but I did notice that the ATC filing code is a /W, which is a non working FMS and basically no Class II navigation. If this happened enroute, I don't see how the flight actually makes it to the north atlantic on just VOR's and NDB's so this would necessitate a diversion. If it happened on the NAT Tracks somewhere, then the crew is basically going to have to dead reckon all the way across to the canadian coast where they can pick up VOR's, which is the last thing any pilot wants to do in a Jet.

Still, the fact that this flight shows a /W as a filing code indicates to me something is up with this flight.


User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2179 times:

Now its turn back toward the states , i cant get the last read outs i guess because its an intl flight,, Not sure of altitude or headings


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineElDanno From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2168 times:

Looks like he is on course now. Flew Mach 3 down the Newfound/Labrador coast apparently  Smile

User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2157 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 3):
It may be a flightaware glitch, but I did notice that the ATC filing code is a /W, which is a non working FMS and basically no Class II navigation. If this happened enroute, I don't see how the flight actually makes it to the north atlantic on just VOR's and NDB's so this would necessitate a diversion. If it happened on the NAT Tracks somewhere, then the crew is basically going to have to dead reckon all the way across to the canadian coast where they can pick up VOR's, which is the last thing any pilot wants to do in a Jet.

Still, the fact that this flight shows a /W as a filing code indicates to me something is up with this flight.

Doesn't /W indicate RVSM capability?



Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2157 times:

The altitude in the lower right is very erratic, ive seen 34fl 39fl, I wonder if atc is makeing him do manuvers to confirm he is in control like the nw plane


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting Jetjeanes (Reply 7):
The altitude in the lower right is very erratic, ive seen 34fl 39fl, I wonder if atc is makeing him do manuvers to confirm he is in control like the nw plane

It's a common FlightAware glitch, nothing out of the ordinary. For example:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA25



Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2107 times:

How would you be RVSM compatible without functioning computer nav equiptment?
/w isn't uncommon.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...5/history/20100125/0925Z/LIMC/KEWR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20100126/1317Z/EDDF/KIAH
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...5/history/20100126/1150Z/LFPG/KEWR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE797/history


User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1753 times:
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The FAA equipment suffix for /W states only "RVSM". I just found a paragraph from the new rules about the equipment suffixes when they were changed a few years ago referring to this scenario:

a. Operators/aircraft that are RVSM-compliant and that file ICAO flight plans will continue to file "/W" in block 10 (Equipment) to indicate RVSM authorization and will also file the appropriate ICAO Flight Plan suffixes to indicate navigation and communication capabilities. The equipment suffixes contained in the attached table are for use only in FAA Flight Plan (FAA Form 7233-1).

Now it's worth noting that a very large number of inbound International flights to the US show up as /W. There are 4 other equipment codes that denote having RVSM capability in addition to other equipment that most other aircraft file. Since these flight plans are filed overseas under ICAO rules, this must just be some leftover peculiarity since ICAO equipment codes are much more complex. Flightaware, nor we here in American ATC get ICAO flight plans, nor do we care about them.

Also worth noting, is that all WN B733s and B735s are filed as /W everyday. The B73Gs are filed as /L I believe.



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