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Will We Ever See A380's In LX Colors?  
User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 44
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Hello everyone!

Since LH has 15 A380's ordered, is it possible, that some of them could go to LX one day?
ZRH is ready for it, the test last Wednesday has proofed it.

Would the A380 fit into selected LX routes, providing very well more space for the famous SWISS quality?

What is you opinion? Will we ever see A380's in LX colors?

Greets,
Patrick


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Never say never, but the A380 is just too big for LX's needs

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

The biggest they had was the B 747-300. Umm........ they might get a few for transatlantic routes maybe?

User currently offlineCYSAFAN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7060 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
The biggest they had was the B 747-300. Umm........ they might get a few for transatlantic routes maybe?

That was pre LX 's SR , Swissair you mentioned operated the B747-300 not LX.
Maybe. When they have even more demand than usual. I think they will consider for it.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Although I hope this will ever happen, I don't see it happening.
LX have no needs in their current network to operate A380's.
It might however be possible that some 340-600's will be added sometime. Some destinations are operated by 340-300's and have very high loadfactors.
The old Swissair even had them ordered once, but went to VS (?) after the SR collapse.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6646 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
The biggest they had was the B 747-300

I flew it once! My first international trip, and my only 747 trip. Oddly enough the only 747 I've traveled on is one of the least common varieties.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

As mentioned, ever is a very long time. I think they will first go to a350-1000 sized aircraft (the a346 only if they need capacity fast and then second hand) and then go to the a380. It's a very big step to an a343 to a380. Do they have any routes with multiple frequencies on a day (and with a short timeframe)? If not, it's not very likely they will get the a380, not in the near term anyway.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

I don't see a need at LX for anything larger than an A350.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6522 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 6):
Do they have any routes with multiple frequencies on a day

Only ZRH-JFK


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6513 times:



Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
It might however be possible that some 340-600's will be added sometime. Some destinations are operated by 340-300's and have very high loadfactors.

The A350-900 is already a bit larger than the A343, that seems a bit more logical. But maybe LH could transfer some of their A346's to LX if they desperately need something bigger. Could happen when LH receive their B748i's, with a possible conversion of some of their options  cloudnine 

Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
The old Swissair even had them ordered once, but went to VS (?) after the SR collapse.

IIRC, these went to SA.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25288 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6074 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 5):
Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
The biggest they had was the B 747-300

I flew it once! My first international trip, and my only 747 trip. Oddly enough the only 747 I've traveled on is one of the least common varieties.

Swissair was the launch customer for the 747-300 (and -300M combi).


User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

The old business model SR followed in the 60s regulated market allowed them to plan for two 747-257s and that was that.They never needed more and they knew it. Only with traffic increase projections in the 1980s (and the need to replace heavily used 747s-- up to 16 hours a day) did they go for two-357s and the remaining three were combis, which means they knew the routes they had would not sustain much past 400 pax.

That said, in the era of pre-deregulation, GVA-JFK and ZRH-JFK once a day were the airline's cash cows. A retired SR chief pilot shared with me that a 400- series would have been likely, but they management, in tight with the Swiss government, worried that since Switzerland was not part of the EU and trying to negotiate bilateral rights with each neighbor, it was better to order Airbus next for wide-bodies. Airbus did try and get SR interested in the A-3XX . There is a demo desk model in one of the SR showcases, either in Duebendorf or in Lucern.

Anyway, if LX wants them, it will be up to DLH, and you'd have to fill up on GVA AND ZRH -JFK at a time when CO, DL and god knows what else (sorry I don;t keep up on the details) is already providing a service alongside LX's flights. Also, you'd have to get federal permission to land it. Right now, only special derogations allowed for an A380 visit about two weeks ago to ZRH and GVA (see below)
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User currently offlineToobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

I don't see it happening. Way to big for LX. It sure would b a beauty though..

User currently offlineGlobalcabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

I would never say never, but I doubt this will happen.

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5886 times:



Quoting Globalcabotage (Reply 13):
I would never say never, but I doubt this will happen.

I would and will say never. The A380 is too big for LX, it's as simple as that. There are destinations where we could use bigger equipment, but an A346-sized aircraft is about the largest we could operate economically, and only on a limited number of destinations. In fact I think the A333 is the perfect aircraft for LX, and the A343 compliments it well on routes where the range is needed.

The fact that LX's only twice-daily longhaul route from ZRH is JFK says it all, and I don't think replacing that with a single frequency on a large aircraft would be in LX's interest.

Like I said, there are a few destinations where an aircraft of the size of an A346 could be a possibility, but even those are limited.

In the future, an A350-900/-1000 combo might be an option for LX in oder to boost capacity, but even the A350-1000 might be too much aircraft for LX.


User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

You never know.
Not at this time.
If SQ ever leaves StarAlliance (never say never), I can see LX competing for high yield SIN-ZRH-Europe traffic, on an A380 (on loan from LH   ).

Then again, if SQ is not part of StarAlliance, they might pull their own A380 off the route.

[Edited 2010-01-27 19:31:12]


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User currently offlineToobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5816 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Reply 15):

You never know.
Not at this time.
If SQ ever leaves StarAlliance (never say never), I can see LX competing for high yield SIN-ZRH-Europe traffic, on an A380 (on loan from LH   ).

[Edited 2010-01-27 19:05:16]


your right..you never know. But since I am a betting kind of man, I would put my money on NO.  Big grin


User currently offlineRheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4138 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 8):
Quoting Kappel (Reply 6):
Do they have any routes with multiple frequencies on a day

Only ZRH-JFK

JFK was also the destination that saw the 742's almost exlcusively. To kid 747 pilots they only had to be asked "where do you fly today?"  


User currently offlineYendig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4092 times:
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Quoting Toobz (Reply 12):
It sure would b a beauty though

Hang on - this is an A380 we're talking about..!

One of the better-looking liveries on an A380, surely.... 


User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

One of the better-looking liveries on an A380, surely....

Who could provide / create for us an A380 in LX livery?



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8358 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

I'll say it: Never.
Even an A359 would be too big. In my opinion LX will always be a niche carrier operating for LH, focusing on the high yield traffic to/from ZRH/GVA. Low yield passengers are better handled by VLA aircraft via FRA or MUC. That's my opinion.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3628 times:



Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 19):
One of the better-looking liveries on an A380, surely....

Who could provide / create for us an A380 in LX livery?

Here you go:
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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3604 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 21):

I would love to see this for real but I don't think it's going to happen.
Also how would Zurich airport handle several simultaneous 380s on its premises?  airplane   airplane   airplane   

In the meanwhile, all Zurich 380 fans can be there to see us landing with the Singapore Big Bus on March 28!
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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3558 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
Also how would Zurich airport handle several simultaneous 380s on its premises

Who would be flying or is flying A380s to ZRH? SQ, TG, EK?? I agree would be awesome to see an A380 adorned in LX colors but I don't think it'll ever happen.



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