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OAG Changes 1/29/2010: AA/AS/CO/FL/US/WN/YX  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos...

SA)">AA
DFW-AVL 0>1 APR-
DFW-LBB 9>8 APR-
DFW-MYR 0>1 APR-
ORD-BMI 3>4 APR-
ORD-DEN 5>4 APR-
ORD-MKE 4>6 APR- (ODD...)
ORD-MSN 6>5 APR-
SJU-PAP 3/WK>1 MAR-
SJU-EIS 7>6 MAR-
SJU-SDQ 5>6 APR-

SA)">AS
FLG-LAX 1>0 MAY- (No new start date)
PRC-LAX 1>0 MAY- (SAME)
PRC-FLG 1>0 MAY- (SAME)

CO
ANC-PDX 0>1 JUN-
CLE-ABE 3>0 MAY-
CLE-DFW 4>3 MAY-
CLE-GRB 0>2 MAY-
CLE-ORF 0>2 MAY-
CLE-STL 3>2 MAY-
GUM-HKG 0>2/WK APR-

FL
MCO-ACY 1>3/WK APR-

US
AGS-LGA 0>1 APR (golf?)
AGS-PHL 0>1 APR (golf?)
PHL-BGI 4/WK>0 APR-

WN
DEN-BOI 1>2 JUN-
DEN-FLL 1>2 JUN-
DEN-HOU 3>4 JUN-

YX
MKE-CMH 4>3 MAR-
MKE-STL 3>0 MAR (Start delayed till JUN)

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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7588 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
SA)">AA



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
SA)">AS

I don't understand what causes this. It's fine when I post it, but a.net adds some screwed up html that causes that. I can't get rid of it. Sorry!


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7499 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLE-ABE 3>0 MAY-

Axed? I was always under the impression this route held its own.


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
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I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7464 times:



Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 3):
I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).

Good question. Can you check on CRW-DTW for me? I saw in one schedule somewhere that we're getting an additional flight in April, but its not loaded anywhere but an innovata schedule.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7330 times:
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Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 3):
I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).

Perhaps they do not have all the new flight #s worked out yet. That is suppossed to be completed by 10 September 2010 (please correct me if I'm wrong).


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7292 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 5):
Perhaps they do not have all the new flight #s worked out yet. That is suppossed to be completed by 10 September 2010 (please correct me if I'm wrong).

The change has already happened in the GDS/CRSes; all flight numbers were modified over the past 6 months to make this transition as smooth as possible. Sounds like they've just not submitted their changes to the OAG yet.


User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7292 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AGS-LGA 0>1 APR (golf?)
AGS-PHL 0>1 APR (golf?)

I'm sure. The Masters is that month. Everyone adds special sections to AGS then. I recall when DL used to put 763's on the route the week of the tourney.


User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1604 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7173 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MKE 4>6 APR- (ODD...)

My thought is that this may be AA finally scheduling some additional ORD capacity to MKE to make up for the impending loss of STL-MKE flights. From my anecdotal experience flying STL-MKE, the vast majority of the passengers have been connections that they'll need to accommodate elsewhere now. This was especially true on the last STL-MKE departure, which has been timed several hours later than the last ORD-MKE departure for at least a year now (currently 8:50 pm vs. 6:20 pm).

As always, thanks for these great updates every week!


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7069 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLE-GRB 0>2 MAY

Back again after starting route in April 2008, then ending it a short while later. Some competition for DL.

Wonder if they'll look at CLE-LAN and CLE-AZO again?



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7021 times:



Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 3):
I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).

I didn't post that, but yes all the NW flights were deleted and as added as DL. Since it wasn't "new" flying I didn't post it.

Quoting Steex (Reply 8):
My thought is that this may be AA finally scheduling some additional ORD capacity to MKE to make up for the impending loss of STL-MKE flights.

As always, thanks for these great updates every week!

That's a good theory. When I see a carrier do a change of more than one frequency at a time in a market it is something to ponder. Usually frequency changes happen because something is performing better or worse and they add or drop a freq to compensate. Two frequency changes are almost always caused by competitive reaction, although your guess is a good one.

You are welcome!  

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 9):
Back again after starting route in April 2008,

Looks like I scooped them. It just hit the wire a few minutes ago.


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5153 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

The AA reduction on ORD-DEN is a little surprising. While the ski traffic obviously declines, there is still a fair amount of business traffic on the route, and surprisingly, a lot of summer tourists.

It would be interesting to see if AA is losing Chicago-Denver traffic to UA, WN, or F9.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6870 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
It would be interesting to see if AA is losing Chicago-Denver traffic to UA, WN, or F9.

I'm sure they are losing a lot of traffic to WN who keeps pouring more and more seats into the market. More importantly the fares are in the tank. I'm told that from the airline point-of-view that DEN is the only major market that isn't improving right now. In other words the economy is popping up the rest of the country, but DEN is being dragged down by capacity saturation.


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6746 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MKE 4>6 APR- (ODD...)

Not really that odd... The competitive fares at MKE have stopped some of the bleed of passengers willing to drive to ORD. It is cheaper to fly out of MKE with a connection in ORD than to fly out of ORD direct via AA. Talk radio in Milwaukee was discussing this a few weeks ago.


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6703 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 10):
I didn't post that, but yes all the NW flights were deleted and as added as DL. Since it wasn't "new" flying I didn't post it.

No worries. Thanks again for your weekly postings. They are great and I appreciate the time you have invested in providing this information in a very usable format.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6651 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLE-ABE 3>0 MAY-

That leaves the bus segment to EWR as CO's only "flights" into ABE.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6576 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 13):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MKE 4>6 APR- (ODD...)

Not really that odd... The competitive fares at MKE have stopped some of the bleed of passengers willing to drive to ORD. It is cheaper to fly out of MKE with a connection in ORD than to fly out of ORD direct via AA. Talk radio in Milwaukee was discussing this a few weeks ago.



Very true right now, My son just booked MKE-MUC via AA for Mid March and was able to save 178.00 for each ticket over flying out of ORD to MUC. Two years ago it was more than $200 per ticket out of MKE over ORD.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6136 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
The AA reduction on ORD-DEN is a little surprising. While the ski traffic obviously declines, there is still a fair amount of business traffic on the route, and surprisingly, a lot of summer tourists.

Looking at frequencies doesn't always tell the whole story. AA is going from 3x M80 and 2x CR7 to 4x M80 which is actually an increase of a few seats and gets rid of MQ.



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2656 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5828 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
FL
MCO-ACY 1>3/WK APR-

Not sure if FL has only been doing this in ACY or other places also... during the busy times, they run it daily (Feb and Mar) and during the slower times they cut it back to 3x weekly (like now). This is probably a rough route for them out of ACY with NK's 3-4 daily flights.



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User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5132 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MKE 4>6 APR- (ODD...)

Woohooo !

Agreed with many of the above posts as to why the increase, especially the late evening flights. It also appears the spacing of these flights are much better than in previous years.

A few weeks ago the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal had an article quoting the head of Eagle in MKE say that their seeing more Northern IL AAdvantage customers making the trek up to MKE for flights.

Finally, what's most interesting is that one of these flights is going to be on a newly configure CRJ !!! Wonder if AA is just using this to increase capacity on the busy early evening flight or if they are thinking about testing the MKE market with it's CRJ F product?


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5038 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-MSN 6>5 APR-

Another slap in the face to MSN...
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User currently offlineThunder9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4952 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
SA)">AA
DFW-AVL 0>1 APR-
DFW-LBB 9>8 APR-
DFW-MYR 0>1 APR-

No mention of the following:

DFW-RAP 0>1 APR-
DFW-FSD 0>1 APR-

Source: https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceRoutes.jsp&anchorEvent=false

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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1604 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4799 times:



Quoting Thunder9 (Reply 21):
No mention of the following:

DFW-RAP 0>1 APR-
DFW-FSD 0>1 APR-

These were mentioned by Enilria in last week's (1/22/2010) OAG update.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22678 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4728 times:



Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 19):
Wonder if AA is just using this to increase capacity on the busy early evening flight or if they are thinking about testing the MKE market with it's CRJ F product?

With the dearth of new-config CR7s for now, it may also be a utilization flight; there aren't many turns that length if they have 2.5 hours or so during which they need to find the CR7 something to do.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4617 times:



Quoting BNAFlyer (Reply 7):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AGS-LGA 0>1 APR (golf?)
AGS-PHL 0>1 APR (golf?)

I'm sure. The Masters is that month.

Yes, and the added flight from New York will be used to accommodate all of the media when Tiger returns.  


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Reply 25, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3824 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 22):
These were mentioned by Enilria in last week's (1/22/2010) OAG update.

Thanks for saving me some digital ink.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 24):
Yes, and the added flight from New York will be used to accommodate all of the media when Tiger returns.

He's not really returning is he? If he was they better makes those 747s!


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