Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6081 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3627 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
BNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 380 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3627 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5953 times:
Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 3): I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).
Good question. Can you check on CRW-DTW for me? I saw in one schedule somewhere that we're getting an additional flight in April, but its not loaded anywhere but an innovata schedule.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3742 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5819 times:
Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 3): I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).
Perhaps they do not have all the new flight #s worked out yet. That is suppossed to be completed by 10 September 2010 (please correct me if I'm wrong).
BNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 380 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5781 times:
Quoting LACA773 (Reply 5): Perhaps they do not have all the new flight #s worked out yet. That is suppossed to be completed by 10 September 2010 (please correct me if I'm wrong).
The change has already happened in the GDS/CRSes; all flight numbers were modified over the past 6 months to make this transition as smooth as possible. Sounds like they've just not submitted their changes to the OAG yet.
I'm sure. The Masters is that month. Everyone adds special sections to AGS then. I recall when DL used to put 763's on the route the week of the tourney.
My thought is that this may be AA finally scheduling some additional ORD capacity to MKE to make up for the impending loss of STL-MKE flights. From my anecdotal experience flying STL-MKE, the vast majority of the passengers have been connections that they'll need to accommodate elsewhere now. This was especially true on the last STL-MKE departure, which has been timed several hours later than the last ORD-MKE departure for at least a year now (currently 8:50 pm vs. 6:20 pm).
As always, thanks for these great updates every week!
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5510 times:
Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 3): I wonder when DL is going to rescind all NW-coded flights in the OAG as I thought that they would likely do it this week since the change to all DL-coded flights happens 1/31/10 and the changes have already happened in CRS/GDSes (eff 1/31/10).
I didn't post that, but yes all the NW flights were deleted and as added as DL. Since it wasn't "new" flying I didn't post it.
Quoting Steex (Reply 8): My thought is that this may be AA finally scheduling some additional ORD capacity to MKE to make up for the impending loss of STL-MKE flights.
As always, thanks for these great updates every week!
That's a good theory. When I see a carrier do a change of more than one frequency at a time in a market it is something to ponder. Usually frequency changes happen because something is performing better or worse and they add or drop a freq to compensate. Two frequency changes are almost always caused by competitive reaction, although your guess is a good one.
You are welcome!
Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 9): Back again after starting route in April 2008,
Looks like I scooped them. It just hit the wire a few minutes ago.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4650 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5439 times:
The AA reduction on ORD-DEN is a little surprising. While the ski traffic obviously declines, there is still a fair amount of business traffic on the route, and surprisingly, a lot of summer tourists.
It would be interesting to see if AA is losing Chicago-Denver traffic to UA, WN, or F9.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5359 times:
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11): It would be interesting to see if AA is losing Chicago-Denver traffic to UA, WN, or F9.
I'm sure they are losing a lot of traffic to WN who keeps pouring more and more seats into the market. More importantly the fares are in the tank. I'm told that from the airline point-of-view that DEN is the only major market that isn't improving right now. In other words the economy is popping up the rest of the country, but DEN is being dragged down by capacity saturation.
Not really that odd... The competitive fares at MKE have stopped some of the bleed of passengers willing to drive to ORD. It is cheaper to fly out of MKE with a connection in ORD than to fly out of ORD direct via AA. Talk radio in Milwaukee was discussing this a few weeks ago.
BNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 380 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5192 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 10): I didn't post that, but yes all the NW flights were deleted and as added as DL. Since it wasn't "new" flying I didn't post it.
No worries. Thanks again for your weekly postings. They are great and I appreciate the time you have invested in providing this information in a very usable format.
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5140 times:
YXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 799 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5065 times:
Not really that odd... The competitive fares at MKE have stopped some of the bleed of passengers willing to drive to ORD. It is cheaper to fly out of MKE with a connection in ORD than to fly out of ORD direct via AA. Talk radio in Milwaukee was discussing this a few weeks ago.
Very true right now, My son just booked MKE-MUC via AA for Mid March and was able to save 178.00 for each ticket over flying out of ORD to MUC. Two years ago it was more than $200 per ticket out of MKE over ORD.
I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11): The AA reduction on ORD-DEN is a little surprising. While the ski traffic obviously declines, there is still a fair amount of business traffic on the route, and surprisingly, a lot of summer tourists.
Looking at frequencies doesn't always tell the whole story. AA is going from 3x M80 and 2x CR7 to 4x M80 which is actually an increase of a few seats and gets rid of MQ.
Not sure if FL has only been doing this in ACY or other places also... during the busy times, they run it daily (Feb and Mar) and during the slower times they cut it back to 3x weekly (like now). This is probably a rough route for them out of ACY with NK's 3-4 daily flights.
Agreed with many of the above posts as to why the increase, especially the late evening flights. It also appears the spacing of these flights are much better than in previous years.
A few weeks ago the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal had an article quoting the head of Eagle in MKE say that their seeing more Northern IL AAdvantage customers making the trek up to MKE for flights.
Finally, what's most interesting is that one of these flights is going to be on a newly configure CRJ !!! Wonder if AA is just using this to increase capacity on the busy early evening flight or if they are thinking about testing the MKE market with it's CRJ F product?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21210 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3217 times:
Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 19): Wonder if AA is just using this to increase capacity on the busy early evening flight or if they are thinking about testing the MKE market with it's CRJ F product?
With the dearth of new-config CR7s for now, it may also be a utilization flight; there aren't many turns that length if they have 2.5 hours or so during which they need to find the CR7 something to do.
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