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Another Slow Decline At RFD?  
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Hello All.

With Allegiant pretty much pushing ORD aside for a possible focus city and hinting at a service decline at the airport, does anyone see RFD eventually losing all its air service and going "dormant" like it did in the 90's?

For a while there when UA had service to DEN, Aleigant was building up destinations, and and the proposed airline that would be based at RFD was in the works Rockford seemed like it was finally on the up and up. At the time RFD was putting out press relased like crazy talking about the airports future growth ... but now nothing (seems kind of telling to me).

Any thoughts?

[Edited 2010-01-29 11:45:36]

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User currently offlineMetJetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

I think the demand will always be there for flights. The locals will do what it takes to keep service there too. If I am not mistaken they held a fundraiser that raised the $250K to get Pace there...which in my opinion is what started the growth.

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2789 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
does anyone see RFD eventually losing all its air service

I don't see that happening at this time however the significant build up at MKE I think is having an effect.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2789 times:



Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 2):
I don't see that happening at this time however the significant build up at MKE I think is having an effect.

Yes, that was what I was thinking. I remember reading that Allegiant even admited that the low fare competition in MKE is making it hard to compete at RFD.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Here is the article:

http://www.businessrockford.com/bizn...lans-for-2010-but-not-for-Rockford


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2756 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
does anyone see RFD eventually losing all its air service

Yes.

Although RFD has huge reverse leakage potential from MKE and ORD, the war at MKE is grabbing too much traffic from RFD. And since YX and FL are hubbing at MKE with intentions to expand, plus WN now there, too, we could see a massive fare war break out shortly. G4 doesn't like big, bad fare wars, and will pull out of a city if there's a fare war at surrounding airports.

I hope the citizens of Rockford like fly-by-night public charters, as that's what they might get instead of Allegiant if they keep using MKE instead of RFD.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

RFD keeps trying to be "Chicago's 3rd Airport" but it's never gonna happen. It's too far away and in the wrong direction from where the traffic a 3rd would serve is. It's 4-5 times further from downtown than ORD, which you have to drive past to get to. The case for a 3rd airport is much better made for GYY or Peotone (regardless of your opinion of THAT debate) as most of the growth in the metro area is to the South/Southwest.

RFD would be much better off by admitting they're not Chicago and make the case for reasonable service for the local area. G4 obviously seems to be a good fit, but it's also directly in between ORD which is obviously a major hub, and MLI which despite being a "regional" market, still has a good amount of service including MCO from FL. The overlap from either one isn't that big, but between both of them (and to an extent, MSN to the north) it does shrink the area they have to work with a bit. Allegiant works best in markets they control entirely, and while that's mostly true in this case, there is a lot of fringe that could go elsewhere. They don't like staying in a market if it isn't profitable, and that may just be the case here.


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

There is just to many Airport's near by with strong competition to give RFD a fighting chance. ORD is 90 minutes to the southeast on I-90. MKE is 75 to 90 minutes to the northeast away on I-43, MSN just over and hour away to the north on I-90/39, then there is MLI to the west on US 20. I just don't even see it getting RJ or Prop service to service to ORD or MKE.


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2453 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 7):
I just don't even see it getting RJ or Prop service to service to ORD or MKE.

Sad to think about considering the airport used to be served by great airlines like Ozark, TWA and the original Frontier as well as regionals like Britt and Mississippi Valley.

Here is a photo of a Frontier 737 at RFD in February 1986:


http://www.aviationphotographs.net/FrontierAirlines/GaryOrlando/orlando-001.jpg


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2297 times:



Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 7):
There is just to many Airport's near by with strong competition to give RFD a fighting chance. ORD is 90 minutes to the southeast on I-90. MKE is 75 to 90 minutes to the northeast away on I-43, MSN just over and hour away to the north on I-90/39, then there is MLI to the west on US 20. I just don't even see it getting RJ or Prop service to service to ORD or MKE.

DBQ is west on US 20. MLI is SW on Illinois 2 or south on I-39 to Rochelle, and then W on I-88.

RFD, had never been a "major" airport. Even before deregulation, it was served by only BN and then OZ with a few flights a day. As was pointed out about, it is just too close to ORD and MKE with Interstate highways providing direct links. Rockford is similar to Macon, GA. Both are within 90 of the two largest hub airports in the USA, whereas MLI is a 165 drive to ORD or MDW, plus the Quad City area is larger than Rockford. Additionally, MLI serves an area that formerly had a number of other airline served airports, including CWI, SQI, and Galesburg, IL. Add those areas into the QC population, and the area served is quite large.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

I think it is time for the people at RFD to accept the fact that they will never be a major airport and that most people in Rockford will choose the cheaper option, even if it means driving to surrounding airports. I just don't see the potential at RFD.

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