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US Summer 2010 Tatl Schedule  
User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7780 times:

As of right now, here is the current Summer 2010 Schedule to Europe. Note that SNN, MXP, BHX, ARN will not operate in 2010. The change from a 767 to a 332 on the PHL-ATH route will not happen.

From PHL

PHL-AMS 1X 752
PHL-ATH 1X 767
PHL-BCN 1X 767
PHL-BRU 1X 757
PHL-CDG 1X 332
PHL-FRA 2X 333
PHL-MUC 1X 332
PHL-DUB 1X 767
PHL-FCO 1X 333
PHL-VCE 1X 767
PHL-OSL 1X 757
PHL-LIS 1X 757
PHL-MAD 1X 333
PHL-ZRH 1X 767
PHL-GLA 1X 757
PHL-MAN 1X 333
PHL-LHR 1X 332
PHL-TLV 1X 332

From CLT
CLT-CDG 1X 332
CLT-LGW 1X 333
CLT-FRA 1X 333
CLT-FCO 1X 333

[Edited 2010-01-29 18:03:57]


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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

PHL-TLV too (with 332)

User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7725 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):

I knew I missed one. I wish the economy wasn't so bad. I believe this is this first year in quite a long time that US didn't announce any new European destinations. I've heard VIE, NCE, TXL, CPH, IST floating around the web, but I'm afraid they won't be happening for quite some time now.

Maybe in 2011, we will finnally see PHX-Europe, but who knows.



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User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7483 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
PHL-FRA 2X 333

plus the LH 343? that's a lot of seats!

is LH still operating MUC-CLT too?


User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7455 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 3):
is LH still operating MUC-CLT too?

Yessir. It is currently a 333, and it goes daily with a 346 in the summer. One day in March has 2x daily to MUC.



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User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7156 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Maybe in 2011, we will finnally see PHX-Europe, but who knows.

Latest word from Kirby is 2012 at the earliest for "London and/or Frankfurt" out of Phoenix.



Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

It's interesting that US is able to make VCE and BCN work, but not MXP.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6616 times:
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Only one daily flight to London from PHL ? Thought they had two, one to LHR and One to LGW.

User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6523 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Only one daily flight to London from PHL ? Thought they had two, one to LHR and One to LGW.

Not anymore - US has cut its capacity from PHL considerably since starting LHR. If memory serves, they had 2 daily London frequencies - a 752 at LGW and a 333 to LHR right when Heathrow started, but have cut back to just a 332.

BA still maintains 2 daily frequences - a 772 and a 763.


User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6247 times:



Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 6):

MXP is a hard market. The only cities that seem to be able to sustain MXP service is NYC, MIA, and to a lesser extent, ATL.

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 8):

BA has all the business contracts.



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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

US is probably the only airline in the USA I just don't "get". (no offense meant)
They seem to be holding their own, yet on paper, when you look at their network, it doesn't seem to make any sense.

Now you have CO in the same alliance, down the road in EWR. Wouldn't you think at some point "something" has to happen? Will there be some StarAlliance "cannibalizing'? (PHL between IAD and EWR)

StarAlliance seems to have a lot of network overlap.

Is it better for US to join OW to relieve that pressure?

My hats off to US for still making it work.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6065 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Reply 10):
They seem to be holding their own, yet on paper, when you look at their network, it doesn't seem to make any sense.

Why doesn't their network make sense? They have a strong presence on the east coast, slight weaker out west with PHX, a reasonable transatlantic operation, a a few down south, Caribbean, Mexico and now South America. THeir route network seems to make sense, just that people simply don't 'get' US as an airline. Maybe that is the problem.



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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5975 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 11):
Why doesn't their network make sense?

In reference to other StarAlliance members. Too much overlap.
I look at networks from an alliance perspective. If I look 5 years down the road, US will be cornered somehow or acquired. Wouldn't you think?



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User currently offlineJrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

I agree US doesnt have the same importance in StarAlliance as UA or CO,

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 8):
Not anymore - US has cut its capacity from PHL considerably since starting LHR. If memory serves, they had 2 daily London frequencies - a 752 at LGW and a 333 to LHR right when Heathrow started, but have cut back to just a 332.

BA still maintains 2 daily frequences - a 772 and a 763.

Why didnt they move the CLT flight to LHR?


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5874 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Reply 12):

In reference to other StarAlliance members. Too much overlap.
I look at networks from an alliance perspective. If I look 5 years down the road, US will be cornered somehow or acquired. Wouldn't you think?

Well i do agree. When it was just UA and US, it wasn't so bad, they sort of complimented each other. But with CO in the picture, it changes things. PHL and EWR are very close, too close.



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User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5713 times:



Quoting Jrfspa320 (Reply 13):
Why didnt they move the CLT flight to LHR?

No slots available. The cost of obtaining new slots at CLT isn't sufficient to justify just the avoidance of split operations in LGW and LHR, so I'm guessing US is fine funneling LHR pax through PHL, and LGW pax through CLT for now.


User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5466 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 15):

Yeah, I think the CLT flight caters to pax who are primarily going to the greater London area for tourism, and some buisness pax that simply dont care if they fly to LGW or LHR.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 14):

They most certainly complemented each other. UA pax benifeted from US's precence in Europe, the Carribean, and the Southeast. US pax benefited from UA's precense in the Pacific Rim, the West, and South America.

If I called UA and I tried to book a flight to Barcelona, for example, I would be refered over US. And vice versa, If I called US and tried to book a flight to Sydney, they would refer me to UA.



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User currently offlineAAairplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Cool. I'm flying to either MUC or FRA this summer depending on prices. I wish they would send a flight on the A332 from CLT, because i'm eager to fly on one, although with the A333 getting upgraded with new seats later this year, I suppose I should enjoy the older, arguably better (movable headrest, lumbar support) seats! Thanks!

AAairplane



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4575 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 15):

No slots available. The cost of obtaining new slots at CLT isn't sufficient to justify just the avoidance of split operations in LGW and LHR, so I'm guessing US is fine funneling LHR pax through PHL, and LGW pax through CLT for now.

There are plenty of slots available, and at cheap prices too.

Though, like you said, the cost probably isn't justified even in this depressed market.



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User currently offlineLX64A332 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4044 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 9):
MXP is a hard market. The only cities that seem to be able to sustain MXP service is NYC, MIA, and to a lesser extent, ATL.

Unfortunately the Alitalia flight from MIA to MXP has long since been transferred to FCO.



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User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4019 times:



Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 6):
It's interesting that US is able to make VCE and BCN work, but not MXP.

Lot's of cruise traffic for VCE and BCN as many Med cruises either begin or end in one or the other.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3738 times:



Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 19):


Quoting USAirALB (Reply 9):
MXP is a hard market. The only cities that seem to be able to sustain MXP service is NYC, MIA, and to a lesser extent, ATL.

Unfortunately the Alitalia flight from MIA to MXP has long since been transferred to FCO.

AZ 636/637 resumes year-round service on June 3rd, complimenting the Rome service. It was stupid of Alitalia to pull it in the first place; glad they got the message.



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User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3692 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):

There are alot of routes that AZ could fly out of MXP, routes that could be succesful.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3377 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 22):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):

There are alot of routes that AZ could fly out of MXP, routes that could be succesful.

Such as?



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User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 3087 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
Such as?

I am relating to the dehubbing og MXP, some of the routes flown were successful, while most weren't.



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25 Offloaded : PHL AMS Codeshared with UA PHL BCN c/s w/ JK PHL BRU c/s w/ UA PHL CDG c/s w/ UA PHL FRA c/s w/ LH PHL MUC c/s w/ LH PHL LIS c/s w/ TP PHL MAD c/s w/
26 Flighty : It is really impossible to say. It might be gone. It might be bigger than DL by then. It wouldn't be US' fault that CO joined Star Alliance. Though i
27 MAH4546 : And the few that were are still being flown. Osaka and Buenos Aires did well, too. The rest did not.
28 WAC : MXP isn't or was the problem it was AZ. They just were an inept airline. they are succeeding very well. Milan or MXP are not a hard market rather the
29 USAirALB : First they said 2010, then 2011, and now 2012.....ughhh. Isn't LH not restarting FRA because of US? And what I said above, I can see VIE, CPH, and IS
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