AJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2380 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 8312 times:
Unfortunately the first loss of a 747 in revenue operation was a Lufthansa aircraft.
The accident was caused by the failure of the leading edge flaps causing the aircraft to settle back on to the ground after take off from Nairobi.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 8276 times:
LH also crashed a B747 Freighter in South America and the latest accident happened in Warsaw where the crew wasn't able to stop an A320 on the runway (which was caused by the plane's automatic). It crashed into a hill and burned out, two people died.
AJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2380 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8265 times:
The 747-100 did/does not have a separate leading edge flap (not slats) selectors, and also did not have warning indicators if the flaps were not deployed. The flaps failed to deploy because of incorrect valve alignment. Another time and place and the aircraft might have made it, but the hot and high conditions of Nairobi caused the aircraft to crash abeam the Nairobi to Mombasa road.
The rear of the aircraft was destroyed on impact, but those seated between the wings and forward were able to escape, including the technical crew. Looters did cause havoc with the accident investigation.
There is an amazing book on the subject written by a survivor.
Skystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8214 times:
What were the 707 crashes?
I've been impressed with their maintenance of aircraft, it's quite good (even with the older 737s). As for their pilots, they reminded me of AN pilots at home - willing to have fun, but very professional.
In other news, I can't believe that Swissair still has a section dedicated to SR111 on its website - it's clearly shown under Media. It does have a picture of a memorial, but do you want to remind pax of this tragedy, especially when the last press release was in 1999.
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8170 times:
About the A320 at WAW :
The aircraft skidded off the end of the runway during landing. The aircraft touched down with sink rate low enough that the onboard flight computers did not consider it to be "landing," which inhibited thrust reverse and brake application for nine seconds.
The runway was wet and Aquaplaning was reported as well as tail wind.
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8153 times:
Does anybody know the reg. of the 747-100 that crashed in Nairobi? I know it was called "Hessen". And while I'm at it does anybody know the reg. of the A320 that crashed at WAW in 1993? Thank you in advance.
PhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8104 times:
I was at Heathrow in the early 1960s when one of their 720s landed with the nosegear retracted.
Lots of sparks and noise but a very accomplished feat of airmanship and prompt action by the fire brigade meant no serious damage was done and the aircraft was repaired and back in the air within a few weeks.
Other accidents from the past include (in no particular order):
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8089 times:
afaik, the only tragic accidents were the one of the 741 in NBO and the a320 in WAW, i´m pretty sure the other mentioned crashes in the past of 720s, and 707s were only incidents.
however, i believe that LH also had some crashes with one or two lockheed constellations and some other prop aircraft of that time...
regarding the WAW incident: afaik there have been three major factors contributing to the crash, of which two were already mentioned. af first, the runway was too wet and it was in such a bad shape that the drainage system didn´t work, so no water ran off the runway. 2nd, the thing with the too low sink rate and that flight computers did not consider it to be "landing," which inhibited thrust reverse and brake application for nine seconds is also correct. in addition, the aircraft touched down too late, meaning that the aircraft didn´t land on the first third or the first 800m of the runway which is about the usual touch-down area. under normal circumstances that wouldn´t have been a problem, but the bad runway and the computer thing added onto that and so we´ve once again got our chain reaction of unlucky incidents leading to a crash...
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.