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Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?  
User currently offlineSJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10604 times:

Has Lufthansa ever been involved in a fatal/non fatal crash of any kind? Please list their accidents. Thanks!

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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10547 times:

Unfortunately the first loss of a 747 in revenue operation was a Lufthansa aircraft.
The accident was caused by the failure of the leading edge flaps causing the aircraft to settle back on to the ground after take off from Nairobi.
Terrible.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/airline_detail.cgi?airline=Lufthansa

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Hi AJ,

The aircrew of that flight failed to deploy leading edge slats, and the a/c stalled soon after TO.

Locals apparently began to steal baggagge & pax possessions, after the a/c had crashed.

The ATC'er was initially blamed, but the investigation subsequently found the aircrew had simply forgotten to deploy the slats.

Rgds,
CP


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

Just seen the report. I can tell you that that is not the complete truth behind the story!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Rgds,
CP


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10511 times:

LH also crashed a B747 Freighter in South America and the latest accident happened in Warsaw where the crew wasn't able to stop an A320 on the runway (which was caused by the plane's automatic). It crashed into a hill and burned out, two people died.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

Capt.Picard

I don't know anything about this story. COuld you give some short details of the complete truth behind the story?

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

Capt. Picard,
The 747-100 did/does not have a separate leading edge flap (not slats) selectors, and also did not have warning indicators if the flaps were not deployed. The flaps failed to deploy because of incorrect valve alignment. Another time and place and the aircraft might have made it, but the hot and high conditions of Nairobi caused the aircraft to crash abeam the Nairobi to Mombasa road.
The rear of the aircraft was destroyed on impact, but those seated between the wings and forward were able to escape, including the technical crew. Looters did cause havoc with the accident investigation.
There is an amazing book on the subject written by a survivor.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10492 times:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/DLH.shtml

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10486 times:

Sorry to dwell, but check out these photos!
http://www.airsafetyonline.com/photos/lufthansa540/1.shtml


User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10466 times:

They also had a few 707 crashes.


Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10449 times:

What were the 707 crashes?

I've been impressed with their maintenance of aircraft, it's quite good (even with the older 737s). As for their pilots, they reminded me of AN pilots at home - willing to have fun, but very professional.

In other news, I can't believe that Swissair still has a section dedicated to SR111 on its website - it's clearly shown under Media. It does have a picture of a memorial, but do you want to remind pax of this tragedy, especially when the last press release was in 1999.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

There was also a crash in Warsaw with an A320. The aircraft landed under bad weather conditions and something happened, but Ican't remember the details.

Gerardo



dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10420 times:

Hi AJ,

Thanks for your info; I do not know which account is true, but a friend of mine was the ATCO at NBO who gave the LH crew the clearance for TO.

He was placed into custody by the Kenya police immediately after the incident, until [it was uncovered that the aircrew had failed to "select" leading edge flaps.

The Captain, in his "defence" had complained that the sun was in his eyes during the line-up, and could not verify whether all instruments were annunciating, or x-check them etc.]

I know this goes against everything you have said, but that was the version I was told by the ATCO!!??

I'm guessing he may have a reason not to tell the truth either.....perhaps he should have noted whether the flaps had extended?

Rgds,
CP


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

About the A320 at WAW :
The aircraft skidded off the end of the runway during landing. The aircraft touched down with sink rate low enough that the onboard flight computers did not consider it to be "landing," which inhibited thrust reverse and brake application for nine seconds.
The runway was wet and Aquaplaning was reported as well as tail wind.

Rgds,
B737-700


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

Does anybody know the reg. of the 747-100 that crashed in Nairobi? I know it was called "Hessen". And while I'm at it does anybody know the reg. of the A320 that crashed at WAW in 1993? Thank you in advance.
regards, godbless


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10377 times:

These are the registrations:

The 747 was D-ABYB

The A320 was D-AIPN.

Michael  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10375 times:

In the early 90s, a LH CityLine Dash 8-300 (operated by Contactair) crashed while aproaching CDG. 4 people died.

User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10339 times:

I was at Heathrow in the early 1960s when one of their 720s landed with the nosegear retracted.

Lots of sparks and noise but a very accomplished feat of airmanship and prompt action by the fire brigade meant no serious damage was done and the aircraft was repaired and back in the air within a few weeks.

Other accidents from the past include (in no particular order):

B707,17718, D-ABOB, DBR Sana'a Yemen 9/8/77
B720,18058, D-ABOK, W/O Ebersheim 4/12/61
B707,18643, D-ABOT, W/O New Delhi, 20/12/73

Nothing to do with LH, but just whilst writing, the KAL 747 shot down by the Russians was ex LH


User currently offlineSH@VIE From Austria, joined Mar 2001, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10336 times:

hi!

here you can find accidents-stats of various airlines around the world.
http://www.aerointernational.de
click on "Unfallstatistik"

stephan


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

afaik, the only tragic accidents were the one of the 741 in NBO and the a320 in WAW, i´m pretty sure the other mentioned crashes in the past of 720s, and 707s were only incidents.
however, i believe that LH also had some crashes with one or two lockheed constellations and some other prop aircraft of that time...

regarding the WAW incident: afaik there have been three major factors contributing to the crash, of which two were already mentioned. af first, the runway was too wet and it was in such a bad shape that the drainage system didn´t work, so no water ran off the runway. 2nd, the thing with the too low sink rate and that flight computers did not consider it to be "landing," which inhibited thrust reverse and brake application for nine seconds is also correct. in addition, the aircraft touched down too late, meaning that the aircraft didn´t land on the first third or the first 800m of the runway which is about the usual touch-down area. under normal circumstances that wouldn´t have been a problem, but the bad runway and the computer thing added onto that and so we´ve once again got our chain reaction of unlucky incidents leading to a crash...

daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10313 times:

Johnnybegoode et al,

It took me about ten minutes to search and verify the following.

I'm not "pretty sure" of its accuracy, I'm certain as it comes from official German sources:

Lufthansa accidents where the aircraft was written off, since 1955 in reverse order:

14.09.1993 Airbus A.320 D-AIPN 2 killed 70 on board
Lufthansa Warszawa-Okecie APT

06.01.1993 DHC-8 D-BEAT 4 killed 23 on board
Lufthansa Cityline Paris-Charles de Gaulle

26.07.1979 Boeing 707 D-ABUY 3 killed 3 on board
Lufthansa Petropolis

20.11.1974 Boeing 747 D-ABYB 59 killed 157 on board
Lufthansa Nairobi-Jomo Kenyatta IAP

20.12.1973 Boeing 707 D-ABOT 0 killed 109 on board
Lufthansa Delhi; nr

28.01.1966 Convair CV-440 D-ACAT 46 killed 46 on board
Lufthansa Bremen; nr

15.07.1964 Boeing 720 D-ABOP 3 killed 3 on board
Lufthansa Ansbach; nr

04.12.1961 Boeing 720 D-ABOK 3 killed 3 on board
Lufthansa Ebersheim; nr

11.01.1959 Lockheed L-1049 D-ALAK 36 killed 39 on board
Lufthansa Tubiacanga Beach






User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4648 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

They also ran a B747 off the side of the runway at Hong
Kong's old Kai Tak airport.



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

they have nad 4 or 5 crashes with deaths. not bad but then again zero is a better number.

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