Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18496 times:
Are there any airlines out there where crewmembers can work morning-evening and then return home each night rather than laying over in different cities? That would probably be particularly helpful for crew who have families and would like to be home to be with their loved ones everyday.
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6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18477 times:
Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter): Are there any airlines out there where crewmembers can work morning-evening and then return home each night rather than laying over in different cities? That would probably be particularly helpful for crew who have families and would like to be home to be with their loved ones everyday.
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FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18438 times:
Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter): Are there any airlines out there where crewmembers can work morning-evening and then return home each night rather than laying over in different cities?
Not that I know of in the US that intentionally do it this way, but if F/As have enough seniority they can. My roommate's stepmom is an EWR-based F/A for CO, and she said she often will schedule EWR-ATL-EWR runs or something similar because she could send the kids off to school, go fly, and then be home for dinner.
Problem in the US is that because of the size of the country, and thus the length of many routes, the duration out is too long and so the crew would clock out before they would be able to fly the return flight. Also, I'm sure most airlines have RONs at their non-hub/non-crew based cities that are scheduled for the early morning flight to the hub.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18221 times:
Allegiant is like that. All their planes RON in their bases (SFB, LAS...etc) and a crew will fly the morning flight out to the outstations, and the return flight and be home in time for supper (On a good day anyways) The longest flights they operate, provided no delays, would allow for at most an 8-9 hour work day. Plus by not having RON's, Allegiant saves on hotels, which does give them a cost advantage, and one reason why they are the most profitable airline in the US these days.
The only way I could see this happening regularly at the regionals is if the crew bids a stand up, or CDO. Basically crew shows up late at night to the airport, does an RON to an outstation, and then the early flight back. By being on continuous duty, the normal rest issues are waived and the crew would be done with the trip when they get back. Thus they get both days at home, and its almost like working a graveyard shift. Although stand ups tend to end up going to more junior people at airlines, at my company a couple of real senior pilots routinely bid stand ups.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18191 times:
Flying interisland in Hawaii will allow you to do it. I know many pilots and F/As that keep interisland bids because they want to return home every day. Some have young children, some go to school, some have other reasons. I know some even commute from the neighbor islands because they have bid lines that start mid-morning.
HAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18021 times:
Fly Dubai and Air Arabia have that option. now, with Emirates, it can happen if you have a turn - around flight scheduled for that day such as Dubai - Doha - Dubai, Dubai - Kuwait - Dubai or even dubai - beirut - Dubai.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18022 times:
I was surprised when I've flown on UA LAX-ORD, the crew worked the flight into LAX, stayed on board and worked the return flight back to ORD. So at least on some of these runs, the crews do get to go home at night. I bet UA does this with LAX-DEN/SFO/SAN/SJC unless the crew continue onto another destination. I was quite surprised by it.
I was on a CO flight to IAH that orginated in HNL. The same crew continued onto IAH instead of doing a crew swap. A couple of them said by the time they get home, they are absolutely exhausted. Coming back from ORD, our connection in IAH-LAX, the crew on board was overnighting in LAX, then going onto HNL in the morning. They mentioned the return trip back and said it was long.
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17983 times:
As Ha763 said, all of our interisland pilots & FA's are home every night. We don't RON any of the 717's outside of HNL. There are also a couple of 767 trips that, although they run through the night, don't have an 'overnight' at a hotel. These include HNL-PPG-HNL and HNL-PPT-HNL. Both are flown with an extra pilot, leaving in the late afternoon and returning early (6am) the next morning. Also, we have a 3x per week HNL-SEA-HNL that is run as a round trip, with the initial HNL-SEA leg as a redeye. And yes, these 1-day trips often run senior.
When I flew for America West, there were several one-day pairings, and those were especially favored by the senior pilots. PHX-ORD-PHX was among the most senior of trips as the morning departure to ORD allowed you to be home that evening. And with 7+ hours per trip, you didn't have to fly as many days in a month as most pilots. I'm sure most major airlines have some pairings (trips) that are single-day trips.
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Mhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17460 times:
Quoting Heathrow (Reply 5): I'm sure it happens on legacy carriers such as BA just as much as it does on LCC's. LHR-EDI-LHR?
AFAIK with BA you can request single day trips for personal/family reasons, but you will often find another leg tagged onto a UK domestic - something like LHR-EDI-LHR-ATH, overnight at ATH, then ATH-LHR-CDG-LHR. Depending on what you request from ops you can be based on Airbus at LHR and still spend 5 nights away from home.
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FlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16930 times:
Colgan flight crews are home every night, they have crew bases at every station they serve...this cuts down on hotel and perdiem...When I flew America West before they merged with USAirways, the Crew that flew the 757 from PHX-DCA-PHX were the same crew. The FA said that it's a senior route, they get between 9-10 hours for the trip and she was home everynight to be with her kids...
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JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3488 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16723 times:
Just about every US airline that operates from a base that is a major hub has a percentage of crews that go home daily.
When you have a major crew base with over 100 flights a day, most scheduling committees make a trip mix of 1, 2, 3, 4 and in some cases 5 day trips.
It is very easy to be home every night . . . just bid 1 day trips.
Depending on base, you may not have to be senior to get the 1 day trips either.
Take LGA/JFK/EWR for example. Pilots tend to be from the south, the midwest, or from a more rural setting. The thought of living in the NYC area is not a pleasant one for most flight crewmembers. Most of them commute in from other cities. The few that live "at base" really live 2 hours away in rural Pennsylvania, New York, or Conn. That means they want mulit-day trips. Fly or drive in once, work 2-4 days, and fly or drive home. The guys that actually live in NYC have a pretty good Quality of Life, because they want something that nobody else wants . . . 1 day trips.
This whole example changes when you look at a base like DFW. Pilots live there . . . in this case, getting 1 day trips will require a lot of seniority.
As a college professor once told me: the key to bidding while junior is to want something that nobody else wants and to leave yourself lots of options to get there.
Living in a base that nobody else lives at will get you day trips, weekends/holidays off, and Quality of Life.
Living in a base that everyone else lives at (DFW, ATL, any Florida base, any California base for West Coast guys) stinks unless you are senior.
UALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16121 times:
Are you asking how many airlines have one day turns? United does have where you can come home at night for example international senior high time trips are like ORD-PUJ/CZM/SJU/CUN/LIR/SJD/PVR usually leave 8 or 9 in the morning and get home at like 7 or 8 at night. Domestic has a variety but they are pretty bad trips like ORD-DCA-ORD-DCA-ORD, ORD-IAD-MCO-ORD double turns but the more senior are west cost for ORD base like ORD-LAX(very few trips like that)/PHX/LAS/SAN/SEA/PDX you usually leave anywhere from 8:00am-3:00pm and get home anywhere from 4:00pm-2:00am and East coast are like ORD-EWR/LGA/EWR/BOS/DEN/DCA/MCO/MIA leave anywhere from 6:00am-5:00pm.
ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15383 times:
While working for HP, I knew some commuting F/As and Pilots who lived in ABQ, flew it PHX and worked a 1 day paring out of PHX somewhere and back, only to be back in ABQ that evening for dinner. Here in CRP we have one CO mainline F/A that commutes to IAH to work a one day trip and, I have heard of a couple of WN crew members that do it out of here as well.
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