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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18496 times:

Are there any airlines out there where crewmembers can work morning-evening and then return home each night rather than laying over in different cities? That would probably be particularly helpful for crew who have families and would like to be home to be with their loved ones everyday.


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18477 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Are there any airlines out there where crewmembers can work morning-evening and then return home each night rather than laying over in different cities? That would probably be particularly helpful for crew who have families and would like to be home to be with their loved ones everyday.

Most true low cost airlines....

Ryanair, Tiger Airways, most Australian low cost carriers.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18468 times:

I think I remember reading that the crews of Allegiant come home every night, as their planes do not typically RON at outstations. Is this correct? Or was I reading fallacious information?

User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18460 times:

I want to say that Skybus operated that way.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18438 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Are there any airlines out there where crewmembers can work morning-evening and then return home each night rather than laying over in different cities?

Not that I know of in the US that intentionally do it this way, but if F/As have enough seniority they can. My roommate's stepmom is an EWR-based F/A for CO, and she said she often will schedule EWR-ATL-EWR runs or something similar because she could send the kids off to school, go fly, and then be home for dinner.

Problem in the US is that because of the size of the country, and thus the length of many routes, the duration out is too long and so the crew would clock out before they would be able to fly the return flight. Also, I'm sure most airlines have RONs at their non-hub/non-crew based cities that are scheduled for the early morning flight to the hub.


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18379 times:

I'm sure it happens on legacy carriers such as BA just as much as it does on LCC's. LHR-EDI-LHR?

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18365 times:

Most Air New Zealand crews go home every day, except international of course.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18221 times:

Allegiant is like that. All their planes RON in their bases (SFB, LAS...etc) and a crew will fly the morning flight out to the outstations, and the return flight and be home in time for supper (On a good day anyways) The longest flights they operate, provided no delays, would allow for at most an 8-9 hour work day. Plus by not having RON's, Allegiant saves on hotels, which does give them a cost advantage, and one reason why they are the most profitable airline in the US these days.

The only way I could see this happening regularly at the regionals is if the crew bids a stand up, or CDO. Basically crew shows up late at night to the airport, does an RON to an outstation, and then the early flight back. By being on continuous duty, the normal rest issues are waived and the crew would be done with the trip when they get back. Thus they get both days at home, and its almost like working a graveyard shift. Although stand ups tend to end up going to more junior people at airlines, at my company a couple of real senior pilots routinely bid stand ups.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18191 times:
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Flying interisland in Hawaii will allow you to do it. I know many pilots and F/As that keep interisland bids because they want to return home every day. Some have young children, some go to school, some have other reasons. I know some even commute from the neighbor islands because they have bid lines that start mid-morning.

User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18021 times:

Fly Dubai and Air Arabia have that option. now, with Emirates, it can happen if you have a turn - around flight scheduled for that day such as Dubai - Doha - Dubai, Dubai - Kuwait - Dubai or even dubai - beirut - Dubai.


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18022 times:
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I was surprised when I've flown on UA LAX-ORD, the crew worked the flight into LAX, stayed on board and worked the return flight back to ORD. So at least on some of these runs, the crews do get to go home at night. I bet UA does this with LAX-DEN/SFO/SAN/SJC unless the crew continue onto another destination. I was quite surprised by it.

I was on a CO flight to IAH that orginated in HNL. The same crew continued onto IAH instead of doing a crew swap. A couple of them said by the time they get home, they are absolutely exhausted. Coming back from ORD, our connection in IAH-LAX, the crew on board was overnighting in LAX, then going onto HNL in the morning. They mentioned the return trip back and said it was long.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17983 times:

As Ha763 said, all of our interisland pilots & FA's are home every night. We don't RON any of the 717's outside of HNL. There are also a couple of 767 trips that, although they run through the night, don't have an 'overnight' at a hotel. These include HNL-PPG-HNL and HNL-PPT-HNL. Both are flown with an extra pilot, leaving in the late afternoon and returning early (6am) the next morning. Also, we have a 3x per week HNL-SEA-HNL that is run as a round trip, with the initial HNL-SEA leg as a redeye. And yes, these 1-day trips often run senior.

When I flew for America West, there were several one-day pairings, and those were especially favored by the senior pilots. PHX-ORD-PHX was among the most senior of trips as the morning departure to ORD allowed you to be home that evening. And with 7+ hours per trip, you didn't have to fly as many days in a month as most pilots. I'm sure most major airlines have some pairings (trips) that are single-day trips.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17877 times:

Depending on the base.....out here 9W.
Not all but most can return to their base.
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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17660 times:

All EI cabin crew and most pilots return to their base at night, except long-haul crews of course.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17492 times:

I believe all Easyjet crew are home every night, as are Ryanair crew.

It's not that uncommon at all.



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17460 times:



Quoting Heathrow (Reply 5):
I'm sure it happens on legacy carriers such as BA just as much as it does on LCC's. LHR-EDI-LHR?

AFAIK with BA you can request single day trips for personal/family reasons, but you will often find another leg tagged onto a UK domestic - something like LHR-EDI-LHR-ATH, overnight at ATH, then ATH-LHR-CDG-LHR. Depending on what you request from ops you can be based on Airbus at LHR and still spend 5 nights away from home.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17460 times:

When I was a kid, my mother worked as a stewardess (back in the day, that was the accepted term) for Pan Am's IGS, and she'd be gone for about two nights every month, coming home all other nights.


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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16930 times:

Colgan flight crews are home every night, they have crew bases at every station they serve...this cuts down on hotel and perdiem...When I flew America West before they merged with USAirways, the Crew that flew the 757 from PHX-DCA-PHX were the same crew. The FA said that it's a senior route, they get between 9-10 hours for the trip and she was home everynight to be with her kids...

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User currently offlineViscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16870 times:
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One of the (nicer) versions of the old BEA/British European Airways (pre-BA) initials, was "Back Every Afternoon"  

Also, most IT charter flying in Europe (apart from trans-Oceanic and other long haul) is straight turn-round.



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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3488 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16723 times:

Just about every US airline that operates from a base that is a major hub has a percentage of crews that go home daily.

When you have a major crew base with over 100 flights a day, most scheduling committees make a trip mix of 1, 2, 3, 4 and in some cases 5 day trips.

It is very easy to be home every night . . . just bid 1 day trips.

Depending on base, you may not have to be senior to get the 1 day trips either.

Take LGA/JFK/EWR for example. Pilots tend to be from the south, the midwest, or from a more rural setting. The thought of living in the NYC area is not a pleasant one for most flight crewmembers. Most of them commute in from other cities. The few that live "at base" really live 2 hours away in rural Pennsylvania, New York, or Conn. That means they want mulit-day trips. Fly or drive in once, work 2-4 days, and fly or drive home. The guys that actually live in NYC have a pretty good Quality of Life, because they want something that nobody else wants . . . 1 day trips.

This whole example changes when you look at a base like DFW. Pilots live there . . . in this case, getting 1 day trips will require a lot of seniority.

As a college professor once told me: the key to bidding while junior is to want something that nobody else wants and to leave yourself lots of options to get there.

Living in a base that nobody else lives at will get you day trips, weekends/holidays off, and Quality of Life.
Living in a base that everyone else lives at (DFW, ATL, any Florida base, any California base for West Coast guys) stinks unless you are senior.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16594 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 4):
Not that I know of in the US that intentionally do it this way

With rare exception, all Minneapolis, USA based Sun Country Airlines pilots and cabin crew go home daily. All flights are either to/from MSP... makes it easy.



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4993 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16417 times:

The senior Crews at AC do that on the EMJ, A320 and B767.

Long single day turns with high (9 hours+) credit. One normally ends up only working 8 to 10 days a month.

On the down side, no money is made in expenses nor overseas/nav pay, so it is a trade off.



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User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16121 times:

Are you asking how many airlines have one day turns? United does have where you can come home at night for example international senior high time trips are like ORD-PUJ/CZM/SJU/CUN/LIR/SJD/PVR usually leave 8 or 9 in the morning and get home at like 7 or 8 at night. Domestic has a variety but they are pretty bad trips like ORD-DCA-ORD-DCA-ORD, ORD-IAD-MCO-ORD double turns but the more senior are west cost for ORD base like ORD-LAX(very few trips like that)/PHX/LAS/SAN/SEA/PDX you usually leave anywhere from 8:00am-3:00pm and get home anywhere from 4:00pm-2:00am and East coast are like ORD-EWR/LGA/EWR/BOS/DEN/DCA/MCO/MIA leave anywhere from 6:00am-5:00pm.

User currently offlineJaxs170 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16028 times:

Many times, flying BOS-IAH in the evening or IAH-BOS in the morning, the crews said it is a return trip. A couple of times I've even heard the FA say she had to rush home after landing for dinner!

I think that is about 8 hours paid for a 9-10 hour duty day. Not sure how this would be for FAs, but for pilots, do that 10 times a month and you're done, not too bad if you ask me.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15383 times:

While working for HP, I knew some commuting F/As and Pilots who lived in ABQ, flew it PHX and worked a 1 day paring out of PHX somewhere and back, only to be back in ABQ that evening for dinner. Here in CRP we have one CO mainline F/A that commutes to IAH to work a one day trip and, I have heard of a couple of WN crew members that do it out of here as well.
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25 Atlwest1 : At my carrier just about every trip out of the MCO base is day trips out early back home for dinner or even earlier. TPA base is this way too. The mai
26 Mayor : In TLV, the Israeli based F/As (PA/DL) would leave early on the TLV-Paris-JFK flight, spend all day in Paris and pick up the JFK-Paris-TLV flight that
27 KcrwFlyer : I'm pretty sure Colgan Air gets most of their crews home at night.
28 413X3 : Southwest pilots for the most part do this I believe
29 HAL : One important difference in all this is whether you're talking about pilots or F/A's. The regulations regarding fight & duty time differ between the t
30 DUALRATED : Not exactly sure but I think the Boston, New York, Washington, Shuttles are (were) operated this way.
31 FlyIGuy : You are correct, the Pilots did get off and overnight and the FA's stayed on board... Just my 0.02
32 Snn2003 : Out of IAH Good day turns look like: IAH-BOS-IAH IAH-SEA-IAH IAH-PDX-IAH I know some people like to work the RedEye IAH-LAX-IAH because they get to be
33 Post contains links and images Lufthansi : Here you go! A job offer from EG&G that carries through the Janet flights out of Las vegas on behalf of the USAF. Just scroll down to see the section
34 BA84 : Horizon Air crews based at SEA. BA84
35 Lrdc9 : I know that all USA 3000 trips are out and backs. Whether they get home every night I do not, but it is more than likely.
36 Hawaiian763 : Usually anyone at AC Jazz that flies the short haul routes get to go home at night. Central Mountain Air pilots do as well
37 C6BFC : SURE there are, Air Jamaica, Bahamasair, SkyBahamas, CaymanAirways, Liat, Caribbean Airlines[Edited 2010-01-30 10:34:10]
38 Jake712 : After arriving into SMF from HNL I talked to Hawaiian's SMF-based crew and they told me that they began their day in SMF, flew all the way to HNL and
39 Alias1024 : You sure about that? With the number of RON aircraft around the QX system, it seems unlikely that the entire SEA domicile would be day trips.
40 E38 : At the company I work for, there are quite a few one-day trips where the crews are back home every night. These tend to go fairly senior and work grea
41 Post contains images Atlwest1 : UGH those suck suck but are good if you have young kids for sure. Im good with a 3,4 or 5 day trip  
42 BMI727 : Do commuting crews generally like longer trips, so they only do a few per month?
43 Alias1024 : Generally, yes. It means fewer commutes and can also mean saving on lodging in domicile. A commutable four day (late report on day one, early release
44 Tobseren : Wings Of Bornholm, based at RNN, have 1 Saab 340 in their fleet, and only 3 stewardesses hired. They go home every night. But i don't know about the p
45 Viscount724 : Unless it's changed since, I recall someone mentioning in a thread a few months ago that AC's longest out-and-back trip with the same crew was YYZ-SJ
46 RJLover : Not quite... Here in the West we have crews that RON in: YYJ (x2) YCD (x2) YYF YLW YKA YXS YXY EDIT: I know the YYJ RONs tend to go senior as we have
47 FlyIGuy : I remember when I was at NWA at BDL and we only had 1 DC9 flight a day. It was the terminator/orginator. The flight was always run by DTW flight crews
48 EagleBoy : I would say (generally) that European airlines have crew doing a duty per day thus coming back to base at night while the US carriers (with the large
49 FutureUALpilot : Colgan used to be this way but they are slowly going to a more "hub and spoke" style and not all stations are crew bases any longer so there are a fe
50 Viscount724 : That's more the case for European LCCs than for major network carriers. Most major European carriers have many aircraft overnighting away from home o
51 LACA773 : There was some talk a while back about BA crews doing turns on LHR-JFK flights. In the end it was said, some of those trips are soley overnight. Do t
52 HAL : Don't know who you talked to, but we don't have any crews based in SMF. Both the pilots and all the F/A's flying into SMF are either HNL or LAX based
53 Post contains images Braynfeeble : 5T/7F crews here in Canada, for the most part.
54 Mayor : My daughter is an F/A for Skywest in SLC and they call these "stand ups". She has two young children and she bids these whenever she can.
55 JQFlightie : most of the time our crew come back to their home base, except for the few flights that are longer when crew overnight, and ofcourse our international
56 LongHauler : Yes, that is correct. That is the longest single day turn on the A320 series. The longest for the B767 would probably be YYZ-YVR-YYZ and some Caribbe
57 ACFA : Actually, unless I'm mistaken LongHauler, CCS is farther away from SJO, and we operate that flight as a turnaround out of YYZ.
58 LongHauler : Perhaps the Flight Attendants do, but the pilots don't, as it involves a red-eye, which is a max 12 hour duty day for a two pilot operation. Actually
59 CRJ 900 : I don't know where you got that information from, but I can tell you that we have more multi day trips than single days. Just because we do short hau
60 RJLover : Just realized I forgot to add PDX to the list.
61 GT4EZY : Depending where you are based, Easyjet these days are having an increasing amount of nightstops. Please also bear in mind that airlines like Easyjet a
62 USAirALB : I don't think all of them do. Whenever I fly out of ALB, I usually see my crew going through security. However, they could have been the crew that ar
63 Post contains images Mandala499 : Air Asia has a no overnights away policy. Crew bases are where the aircraft overnights... For Indonesia Air Asia, it's Jakarta, Bandung (733 only), Su
64 Lufthansa747 : And to add to Mandala499's post, Air Asia crew fly 4-6 sectors per day depending on sector length (2 days ago a F/A told me something like KUL-CGK-KUL
65 Post contains images Multimark : I could never figure out why QK overnights crew in YYJ, its so close to Vancouver. But I suppose they've analyzed the costs...   
66 Viscount724 : If they didn't overnight crew in YYJ, who would operate their 0530 and 0700 flights YYJ-YVR that connect to many other AC flights? Their earliest YVR
67 RJLover : Bingo.
68 flyfree727 : AA has many 1 day trips. Usually they are very senior 25+ years. From ORD tops are SFO ACA SJD PVR SJU LAX SEA RNO LAS SAN PSP which range from 8 to 1
69 DocLightning : One of my patients' mothers once was a very senior NW F/A. She said that she would leave the house at 6AM on the days she worked and be home by 6PM.
70 Jackbr : I believe Qantas Dometic crew will often return home at the end of the day
71 luvfa : At Southwest MCO base, turns are very coveted. In our March FA bid packet there were 250 lines and 8 were all turns. We had a few lines with 2-days, b
72 UALORD : I think that would be too high time to do LHR-JFK and back. For the layover times for United if you go ORD-NRT layover is usually 25hrs. but if you f
73 flyfree727 : While some countries do have crew rest restrictions (TPE come to mind), layover times at AA are contractual. We have a flight DFW EZE (10+ hrs) and th
74 Dash8Pilot : I fly in Dhaka, when we were based on the Dash 8, we were home every night. Things changed when we got upgraded to the MD80 fleet. But on the dash, mo
75 Soxfan : I forgot to ask about this before, what about the crews of cargo airlines? Is there a lot of back-and-forth flying or is it similar to commercial flig
76 6thfreedom : hhhmmm, this sounds a bit rich. assume 30 mins sign on as minimum: KUL - CGK 2:00 :30 CGK - KUL 2:00 :30 KUL - BKK 2:05 :30 BKK - KUL 2:10 :30 KUL -
77 MasseyBrown : This used to be common with the regionals. I remember that Allegheny and North Central flight crew want ads used to emphasize that the crew would be
78 pualani : HAL, I think Jake may have talked to some flight attendants who did what we call a Hub Turn. Its a 3 day trip starting in HNL and goes to SMF (for ex
79 HAL : You must be right. I'd forgotten about Hub Turns. HAL
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