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AA with 777 on MIA-JFK - Summer 2010  
User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

While looking at flight schedules between MIA-JFK this summer, I noticed that 1 of 6 flights will be operated by the 777. Last time AA used a 777 on this route, IIRC was 2005. At the time, I purposely scheduled my return flight to ride the 777.


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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6468 times:



Quoting Flyguy1 (Thread starter):
While looking at flight schedules between MIA-JFK this summer, I noticed that 1 of 6 flights will be operated by the 777. Last time AA used a 777 on this route, IIRC was 2005. At the time, I purposely scheduled my return flight to ride the 777.

Yep. In fact, this means that AA will have 4 different types of aircraft operating MIA-JFK everyday: 757, 762, 763, and 777! With the 777 (apparently) being sold as 2 class, it's interesting to note than an elite or full fare paying passenger can sit in the "business class" seats on the 777 by buying on a coach fare (admittedly, only coach service is provided in these seats), while in order to sit in these very same seats on the 763, he must either upgrade or buy a first class fare.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

That is nice.

But WHY are they doing this starting in the summer? It seems to me that the 777 just does a JFK-MIA-JFK turn, so "better utilization" while perhaps the reason, brings a second question: Why aren't they doing it now?


User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6259 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 1):
AA will have 4 different types of aircraft operating MIA-JFK everyday

Actually 5 if you count that one of the 752's are in the TATL configuration.  


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Where does the 777 that operates the inbound JFK-MIA continue onto?


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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6215 times:



Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 3):
Actually 5 if you count that one of the 752's are in the TATL configuration.

No, you're absolutely right. I didn't see that, but I would definitely consider the 75L a different configuration since the F seats are completely different. So basically, when the flight is 5x daily (it goes to 6x daily later in the summer), every aircraft is a different type!


User currently offlineA340Crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

I believe for a while, maybe two years ago AA had a 777 flying MIA-BOS-MIA on scheduled service

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6158 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
Where does the 777 that operates the inbound JFK-MIA continue onto?

Turns around and goes back to JFK.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6120 times:



Quoting A340Crew (Reply 6):

Sad, because BOS recieves no 777 service with AA anymore, maybe LHR will return when the economy gets better.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5852 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 1):
With the 777 (apparently) being sold as 2 class, it's interesting to note than an elite or full fare paying passenger can sit in the "business class" seats on the 777 by buying on a coach fare (admittedly, only coach service is provided in these seats), while in order to sit in these very same seats on the 763, he must either upgrade or buy a first class fare.

Is this possible with the 762 flight as well?


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5844 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 9):

Is this possible with the 762 flight as well?

Yes.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11421 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5677 times:
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Very interesting ! From where this "available" 772 come ?


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 5434 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Very interesting ! From where this "available" 772 come ?

Probably a 777 that sits in JFK or MIA over the day waiting to go to South America or maybe NRT? I am not sure of AA 777 service from JFK. But I would imagine it is a plane that if not on this route would otherwise be sitting on the tarmac all day.



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5175 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
Where does the 777 that operates the inbound JFK-MIA continue onto?



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 12):
Probably a 777 that sits in JFK or MIA over the day waiting to go to South America or maybe NRT? I am not sure of AA 777 service from JFK. But I would imagine it is a plane that if not on this route would otherwise be sitting on the tarmac all day.

Finally, AA making better use of the B772 fleet in one of the B772 stations. Being the schedule:

AA647 JFK-MIA 11:10 - 14:30
AA902 MIA-JFK 15:50 - 19:15

I would say that the aircraft they are using is the either the GRU or EZE inbound that is not required until 21:35 for the outbound GRU. AA's B772 utilization rate will go up with the MIA flight, but the B772 operations in JFK will require shorter turnarounds to cover the LHR and NRT flights giving AA less operational stability in case one B772 goes mechanical.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3742 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5096 times:
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Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
Turns around and goes back to JFK.

So does the 762. If you see a 777 in MIA, you don't know where it comes from or where it goes to, because there are plenty of them, buy if you see a 762 in MIA then you know right away it comes from JFK and goes back to JFK.

And yes, the 762 is sold as "two-class" on the JFK-MIA flight, it is only on the long flights to SFO and LAX that it is sold as "three-class". DFW-ORD also sees a 777 sold as "two-class", not sure about DFW-MIA.

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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4997 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 14):
And yes, the 762 is sold as "two-class" on the JFK-MIA flight, it is only on the long flights to SFO and LAX that it is sold as "three-class". DFW-ORD also sees a 777 sold as "two-class", not sure about DFW-MIA.

The B772 also operates DFW-MIA and it is sold as a two class:

AA1751 MIA-DFW 10:50 - 13:05
AA1238 DFW-MIA 14:10 - 17:49


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3194 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4907 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Turns around and goes back to JFK.

No, I can almost guarantee that flight will be used to rotate the widebodies. It will most likely sit in MIA for some time then go onward to South America. EZE, GRU, etc.



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4824 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 14):
777 sold as "two-class", not sure about DFW-MIA.

The only domestic 777 flight sold as three class is MIA-LAX.

It is very nice to see this plane on the route again. I see no point of having a 777 sit on the ground all day.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4529 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 17):

It is very nice to see this plane on the route again. I see no point of having a 777 sit on the ground all day.



Quoting American 767 (Reply 14):

So does the 762. If you see a 777 in MIA, you don't know where it comes from or where it goes to, because there are plenty of them, buy if you see a 762 in MIA then you know right away it comes from JFK and goes back to JFK.

and sending the 777 to Miami makes sense loads wise and tech wise. Should something go wrong, it can be swapped out at MIA without disrupting the network much.


User currently offlineJetBlue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

I went on AA.com and tried to find JFK-MIA-JFK flights operated by the 772:

July 14 - AA 423 11:10AM - 2:25PM
July 23 - AA 902 3:50PM - 7:15 PM

The price tag is only $199.40 (restricted) and it says on AA's website, upgrades are available for OneWorld members (etc.) and Y class passengers who are paying full fare. So i checked the price for JFK-MIA-JFK in full fare and it was a staggering $1,241.00 which is way too expensive for a NYC-Florida flight.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4312 times:



Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 19):
So i checked the price for JFK-MIA-JFK in full fare and it was a staggering $1,241.00 which is way too expensive for a NYC-Florida flight.

That's your opinion.

There are plenty of wealthy passengers who will spend that on MIA-JFK for a First Class seat. Although, in general, First Class tends on MIA-JFK would tend to be full of elites on free/sticker upgrades (for elites, the fare does not matter. The $199 fare can be upgraded) and international connecting passengers.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11421 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3831 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
There are plenty of wealthy passengers who will spend that on MIA-JFK for a First Class seat. Although, in general, First Class tends on MIA-JFK would tend to be full of elites on free/sticker upgrades (for elites, the fare does not matter. The $199 fare can be upgraded) and international connecting passengers.

Correct. Nowadays i use to go to GIG thru MIA at least 6 times a year using AA and for sure, the B772 is a very big advantage for AA also to other markets such as Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago and even Sao Paulo.

Mark, a small off-topic but seems that EZE will continue 772 year-round ?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3821 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):

Mark, a small off-topic but seems that EZE will continue 772 year-round ?

MIA-EZE has been a 777 year-round for most of 10 years now. A 763 has subbed on occasions during parts of the fall and during an aircraft shortage in 05-06, but not often.



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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

40 minutes seems like a quick turn for a 777. Are we sure there isn't an aircraft swap in MIA?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11421 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
MIA-EZE has been a 777 year-round for most of 10 years now. A 763 has subbed on occasions during parts of the fall and during an aircraft shortage in 05-06, but not often.

I forgot to be more specific.... JFK-EZE, sorry.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 23):
40 minutes seems like a quick turn for a 777. Are we sure there isn't an aircraft swap in MIA?

The turn around is very short for sure... it might be a swap.



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25 N62NA : Well, that would be nice if they did. Would greatly reduce mx delays on the return flight back up to JFK. But seems like most times (as they've done
26 N62NA : 40 minutes? Scheduled Arrival in MIA: 2:30pm Scheduled Departure MIA: 3:50pm That's 1 hour 20 minutes.
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