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KLM663 Boeing 737 Amsterdam To Houston  
User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 934 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23393 times:

Im a controller in Chicago and see this flight regularly and am a bit curious about it. Is this a normal revenue passenger flight? I asked the pilot today and he said the flight was 10.5 hours. That is a looooong time in a 737. Does anyone have pictures of the KLM 737 in Houston?
Any details are appreciated.

Thanks

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User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 753 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23381 times:

KLM operates this flight with a Privatair 737. It's an all business class flight, I believe used heavily by Royal Dutch Petro (aka Shell).


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23357 times:

PrivatAir 737-700 BBJ's, to be a bit more specific. The 737NG BBJ's are the ULH birds of the narrowbody world, easily capable of 10+ hours as you regularly see.


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User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23270 times:

Just popped onto klm.com to "book" this flight, and it indeed allowed me to book KL663, (the 737-700) so it seems to be a rev flight...And it showed 11h14m as the flight time.

As much as I love the 73NGs, 11hrs might be pushing it...

And this seems to be the a/c:


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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23206 times:

What does it matter what aircraft it is? It's in an all business class layout. Done correctly, you wouldn't notice the difference between this and the business class cabin of a traditional long-haul aircraft (except cabin size, of course).


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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5473 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23166 times:

BBJ range with 25 passengers is in the range of 5900 nm. 12-hour flights are possible with this aircraft.

User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23164 times:
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this took the place of the former 767-300 flight that KL used to operate back in 2004/2005


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22886 times:
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How much longer will KL continue to operate this flight since CO left Sky Team? Does this flight continue to do well enough to warrant to keeping it alive?

User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22833 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 8):
How much longer will KL continue to operate this flight since CO left Sky Team? Does this flight continue to do well enough to warrant to keeping it alive

Oil makes the world go around. Houston is a oil city. Its the same reason why you see a crazy large amount of flights into Nigeria from some pretty random places.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22776 times:



Quoting HotelDJRomeo (Reply 4):

As much as I love the 73NGs, 11hrs might be pushing it...

Not in those seats.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22736 times:

Nothing new. LH, and I believe also LX, operate quite a few flights via Privatair and their BBJs.

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22511 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
Nothing new. LH, and I believe also LX, operate quite a few flights via Privatair and their BBJs.

What I was thinking is since KL is no longer affiliated with CO via SkyTeam, perhaps we'll see LX start a ZRH-IAH via Privitair unless there's enough of a market for either CO or LX to fly a 762/332 several times a week.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22402 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 8):
How much longer will KL continue to operate this flight since CO left Sky Team?

It wouldn't make much difference.
Almost all pax have Houston as final destination. KLM feeds them though from Europe plus Muscat, Lagos and such. Continental always had a bit an aloof position to Skyteam partners like KLM.
The flight is too expensive for people to bother to take a connecting CO flight to Bogota, San Diego or Puerto Vallarta when cheaper and/or more direct options are available.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22015 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):
this took the place of the former 767-300 flight that KL used to operate back in 2004/2005

KL still operates a daily flight to IAH (74M I believe). This is in addition to that flight. In a recent interview, Leo van Wijk said that both flights will stay. There is a big business demand to IAH, but Y demand is not enough for 2 flights on KL metal, Y would be empty on the second flight. So they will keep the regular flight next to the all business flight.

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 5):
BBJ range with 25 passengers is in the range of 5900 nm. 12-hour flights are possible with this aircraft.

This one has 44 seats. But yes, it has plenty of range for these missions of course.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21927 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
What I was thinking is since KL is no longer affiliated with CO via SkyTeam, perhaps we'll see LX start a ZRH-IAH via Privitair unless there's enough of a market for either CO or LX to fly a 762/332 several times a week.

IAH-AMS had little to do with it being a CO hub. It's a route between two huge oil capitals. ZRH is more a financial capital then oil..


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21772 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
What I was thinking is since KL is no longer affiliated with CO via SkyTeam, perhaps we'll see LX start a ZRH-IAH via Privitair unless there's enough of a market for either CO or LX to fly a 762/332 several times a week.

Does everyone on this board understand that the Netherlands is home to one of the largest Oil Companies in the world?

Royal Dutch Shell is the largest Oil Company in all of Europe!
Houston is the Oil Capital of the world, This flight is profitable and probably always full with the small amount of seats on it.

How can LX or even LH justify flying this flight if it is strictly designed for O&D between Amsterdam and Houston?
This flight is not designed for connection basis, If it was KLM would be flying a widebody. KLM is flying a 737 BBJ because it is strictly for shuttling people between the Oil City and Oil City.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21482 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 7):
How much longer will KL continue to operate this flight since CO left Sky Team? Does this flight continue to do well enough to warrant to keeping it alive?

Royal Dutch Shell is based in The Hague Netherlands:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell

The Shell Oil Company is based in Houston Texas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company

KLM has been flying to Houston since the '50s, it's a huge business route. CO flies a daily 764 between IAH and AMS and KLM flies a 74M and the Privatair BBJ between IAH and AMS.



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User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20862 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 7):
How much longer will KL continue to operate this flight since CO left Sky Team? Does this flight continue to do well enough to warrant to keeping it alive?

This flight (and the outbound IAH-AMS) were called out as ones that DID NOT earn CO miles when CO was in SkyTeam, so I would not think that CO's departure from ST would affect the viability of the flight for KL since those flying on it didn't get any CO benefits prior to their departure.


User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20451 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 8):
Oil makes the world go around. Houston is a oil city. Its the same reason why you see a crazy large amount of flights into Nigeria from some pretty random places.



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 15):
Royal Dutch Shell is the largest Oil Company in all of Europe!
Houston is the Oil Capital of the world, This flight is profitable and probably always full with the small amount of seats on it.

How can LX or even LH justify flying this flight if it is strictly designed for O&D between Amsterdam and Houston?

LX and LH are not going with PrivatAir's 737BBJ's to IAH of course, but to EWR, BAH, KWI to name a few http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrivatAir

Dunno about IAH being Oil Capital of The World - there are plenty of contesters in The Middle East.

And oil certainly wouldn't make the world go round without those bankers in Zurich and Manhattan.


User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20123 times:
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Quoting Borism (Reply 18):
Dunno about IAH being Oil Capital of The World - there are plenty of contesters in The Middle East

as far as production of oil, no. But as far as headquarters/decision making, yes.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6148 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20061 times:



Quoting HotelDJRomeo (Reply 3):

I wouldn't think there is much difference between this flight on BBJ and the upper deck of a 744 in Biz class. Other then on a 747 being able to go down stairs and walk around. But who wants to walk around with those rif-raf people 



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18552 times:

Having flown it...it is nice flight...bit slower than the 74M..bit excellent service...I was the only non-shell emloyee on it that I could see when I did it.


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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18492 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
The 737NG BBJ's are the ULH birds of the narrowbody world, easily capable of 10+ hours as you regularly see.

Along with their A319CJ brothers  

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/Commercial_Airliners-Military_Aircraft_Pictures/Airbus_A319-100LR_Private_Air.jpg



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User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18418 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):



Quoting AS739X (Reply 20):

Yea, it was late....The fact that BBJs tend to be all business class didn't quite click in.

I guess I could probably suck it up and fly that for 11hrs...  



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17864 times:
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KLM also flies daily to Houston with a 744 along with the 737 BBJ.

25 JFK787NYC : As far as Manhattan what does it have to do with Oil other then having an exchange there (NYMEX). You don't have representatives of American and Euro
26 AznMadSci : I love reading these "Why does xxx serve IAH?" threads!
27 Wouwout : Are there any cabin pictures of this (or similar) KLM/Privatair flights? I can't find them...
28 Post contains links and images EA772LR : Here's one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter Kesternich
29 BMI727 : I think that there is a trip report hiding somewhere on this site. It isn't necessarily oil necessarily. You just need a route with a huge premium de
30 Post contains links Viscount724 : Current routes being operated by Privatair BBJs for LH/LX/KL are as follows, from the PrivatAir site. All the routes now use the BBJ. The previous Pri
31 Theredbaron : After seeing the Interior, I cant help but think that they should remove the overhead bins and have a large storage area for carry on luggage in the b
32 Breiz : Good seats, good service. The downside is the portable IFE to put on your lap.
33 Kappel : This brings the following question to my mind. So far every new generation of narrowbody had a higher speed, with the a320 and 737NG cruising at abou
34 QualityDr : My father-in-law rides this bird several times a year. He works for Dow Chemical, who has a major facility south of Houston. Dow also has facilities i
35 LACA773 : Thanks for the information. I apreciate it. No. I didn't know that but I do now! I learned something new today. That makes sense. So it sounds like w
36 Post contains images CALMSP : so where's that MBS-AMS flight??!!!
37 ETinCaribe : I am trying to understand the rationale for outsourcing the high-end, premium flight to Privatair. If KL has been (and presumably will continue) flyi
38 JRadier : Mainly because it would be a one-off in the fleet, bought for (what was at the time) an 'experiment'. Of course it has proven very popular, but at th
39 MEA-707 : see answer above, plus Privatair has a spare aircraft available when the 737 is in overhaul or goes technical, for KLM itself it would be a waste of
40 Thomasphoto60 : Well in the minds of many here, we are just another "southern hick town" that is "too big for it's britches" Thomas
41 Yellowtail : Let them think that! Last I checked IAH was a town not doing too bad in a worldwide recession. I personally love the place, except for August! And we
42 AA777223 : I currently live in Houston, having grown up in Dallas and traveled a fair bit around the globe. It is important to remember the Houston is the 4th l
43 AznMadSci : I agree with you 100%, since I'm also a fellow Houstonian. It's just those not familiar with Houston and rather shoot down the city because as Thomas
44 Scotland1979 : Last August when I went spotting at Kelowna Airport and saw this airline 737NG parked outside of the Hangar. I was surprised to see it and unfortunate
45 Thomasphoto60 : Bingo! As a Minnesotan (well, Texan now since it has been close to 20 years in Texas, including a year in Dallas, but we won't go into that) and like
46 Upcfordcruiser : Gotta say the KLM663 is indeed a spotter's gem at IAH... arrives at dusk and leaves at night (in the summer). Unless the wind is kicking up it's fairl
47 AA777223 : This is actually not accurate. My sister and Brother-in-law recently took this flight using miles for skyteam. It was in September or October, I beli
48 AznMadSci : That must have been agreed upon post CO leaving SkyTeam. I had wanted to use CO miles for the flight, but advertised on both OnePass and WorldPerks w
49 AA777223 : I don't know, but I actually booked them for it. My brother-in-law has millions of Amex points. I called up CO, told them I wanted roundtrip business
50 BNAFlyer : Exactly. I'd rather spend 11 hours in a 737 BBJ than in a crowded widebody.
51 Viscount724 : But since you're comparing business class service, you can't consider most J class cabins on longhaul widebodies today as "crowded". In my opinion, t
52 BNAFlyer : Not until the pax in the back of the plane start coming forward to use the toilet, and dealing with boarding and unboarding. It happens more than one
53 Viscount724 : Most carriers, and certainly KL, are very good at letting business class passengers deplane first. They block the aisles until those in the nose cabi
54 BNAFlyer : To each his own!
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