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AM: MSY-MEX Gone  
User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

It looks like MSY-MEX on AM will be discontinued as of February 27, 2010. I no longer see it listed in the OAG after that date. I'm eating my words big time right now as I thought this route had a chance to do well. I was really hoping that this could work out for the city, since it has been pushing hard for new international service. Also to be honest, I took pride is the fact that the airport once again could be called "international", since AC and TA bailed after Katrina and have yet to return. I figured that the large increase in the Hispanic population in the New Orleans area would have really helped this out; however, maybe MEX just isn't the best choice in international destinations from MSY. I know AM was promoting the connecting service to SAP considerably but the flight timings weren't the best and on the return it required a 4-hour connection in MEX. CO has a daily one-stop, same plane service via IAH which has to be easier. It's also too bad that AM couldn't shuffle the flight times around, adjust the frequency, or even implement the code-share with DL, which they had received approval for, to perhaps see if this could work a little more. But I don't think that's AM's style.This sucks to be sure...but, as recent personal events in my life have proven to me yet again, there are more important things to worry about in the grand scheme of things.

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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

As soon as I saw this post, I remembered TWA's JFK-MSY-MEX service.

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3029 times:



Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
As soon as I saw this post, I remembered TWA's JFK-MSY-MEX service.

That one didn't last very long, either. Nice memories, that's pretty much it.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2994 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
maybe MEX just isn't the best choice in international destinations from MSY

It is not only that MEX is not the best choice from MSY, but AM is not the best airline to fly MSY-MEX using an ERJ. AM has a very high cost structure and the ERJ is very expensive to operate in a route like this which needs a lot of premium traffic to keep the flight in the black marker. Therefore, I don't understand why AM bothers to try so many Mexico - US routes with those "mosquitos" and then discontinue service!! Ohh well, it is AeroMexico, so nothing new I guess!!!


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24857 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Are you surprised? Just par for the course based on AM scheduling practices.
The entry to MSY was as timid as it could be utilizing the smallest capacity available with the baby ERJ. From the git-go I don't think AM had high hopes for the route.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

But on a brighter note...I do hear rumblings down here of a TA return to MSY 'soon' ....remember that there is a E190 sitting on the ground all day here in BZE (9hours)

AH



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User currently offlineNetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

I'm surprised this lasted this long.... based on newspapers articles I read, the city of New Orleans wanted AM to stick around, but not sure how much of a chance it had to begin with

The market between MSY and Central America is very well covered by TACA, AA and CO..... much easier to connect in IAH than MEX


User currently offlineApjung From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

It's a shame that MSY has slipped and allowed other airports to eclipse MSY in the past 3 decades. It would probably take 3 decades to catch up if it is remotely possible. We seriously have a chicken and egg problem. What would it take for airlines to add more nonstop destinations but businesses aren't flocking down here due to the lack of convenient nonstops.


Andy P. Jung
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

This is very bad news. As MSYtristar and ConcordeBoy say, I wonder if different schedules would have helped this flight. It is ridiculous that people have to check-in at 4:30 a.m. at MSY. It is also my understanding that AM did very little to advertise this flight... if people both in New Orleans and Mexico City had been more aware of the route's existence, maybe it would have fared better. And finally, yes, I wonder why the DL codeshare was not implemented; that could have only helped, even if marginally.

AM used to do MEX-CUN-MSY in the past. I wonder if we will see AM trying this approach further down the road.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Sorry to see MSY join the infamous club of "Former AM Markets in the U S". Not the least bit surprised, just sorry.

From what others have said, it does sound like AM's attempt at the service was not very optimum. (Unfortunately, that doesn't come as a real surprise either.)

bb


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2620 times:



Quoting Apjung (Reply 7):
What would it take for airlines to add more nonstop destinations but businesses aren't flocking down here due to the lack of convenient nonstops.

That can go for most large and medium tier markets without a hub airline. Unfortunately, the mighty overtaking the small has caused this problem to occur. I think, for the most part, everyone is screaming for consolidation. But it is having a detrimental effect on many airports out there. Consolidation is helping hubs and SOME spokes. But it's not helping the general populous.

In my opinion, what the US needs is more independent small airlines and less megalithic, carnivorous airlines. But its not happening. And airlines will cry out left and right that what is needed is consolidation. Less is better. Bigger is better. We can get you everywhere. But can they get you where you want to be? Does everybody who fly need access to Tel Aviv or Calcutta? No. However, they are more likely to want to get around the US. More nonstops would definitely help most cities grab more international and domestic jobs/headquarters.. but there just is no option.

Unlike a lot of the rest of the world, the US does not have new airlines popping up all the time. The last true airlines of the decade was Skybus, Independence Air, and Virgin America. If you look other places, there have been many more added. Granted, some have failed, but it hasn't stopped others from coming in.

Just saying.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2620 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
It looks like MSY-MEX on AM will be discontinued as of February 27, 2010.

In other news a feather just knocked me over...

Average shelf life of a new AM route? 100 days?


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2458 times:
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Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
I remembered TWA's JFK-MSY-MEX service.

BA used to fly LGW (or was it LHR)? MSY-MEX in the 80´s with an L-1011



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User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Are you surprised? Just par for the course based on AM scheduling practices.



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
Average shelf life of a new AM route? 100 days?

I hope airports have lots of disposable signage when AM announces a new city. It never seems to nest very long before taking off.


User currently offlineJustlump From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
Average shelf life of a new AM route? 100 days?

I realize that in this economy that no airline can sustain prolonged financial losses into any market. However, AM seems to drop routes before they have a chance to develop. Just a few months is not enough time to build any kind of market share or to develop loyal customers. Also, you would expect them to tweak the existing service first (fewer frequencies, timing, etc.) before just abandoning the route.


User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2303 times:



Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
BA used to fly LGW (or was it LHR)? MSY-MEX in the 80´s with an L-1011

They flew MEX-MSY-LGW.

Also EA flew MEX-MSY-ATL-IAD-JFK back in the 60's.

EA 304 that crashed into Lake Pontchartrain in 1963 Originated in MEX. It was a DC-8 aircraft.

MSY used to have quite a few flights to Mexico, the Carribean and Europe from the 50's thru the early 80's. Service to Canada was off and on up until Katrina when that service ended, and most of it was direct service, except for AC.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2283 times:



Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
It is not only that MEX is not the best choice from MSY, but AM is not the best airline to fly MSY-MEX using an ERJ.

I agree. This could eventually be a good route for Volaris or one of the Mexican LCCs.


User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2277 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 16):
I agree. This could eventually be a good route for Volaris or one of the Mexican LCCs.

Agreed. Volaris seems the logical choice given it's pending hookup with WN (assuming that's still on?) While WN has retrenched at MSY, they might actually get some feed to flights to the southeast and midwest from Volaris.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2131 times:



Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
As soon as I saw this post, I remembered TWA's JFK-MSY-MEX service.

Wasn't it MEX-MSY-STL on a TW MD-80. Since the aircraft did not make it non-stop to STL, it made a stop in MSY. The flight did good thanks to TW's STL hub.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Of course it wasn't going to pan out...AM has always had trouble making medium-sized US cities work anyway....what was the LFs on the flights?


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User currently offlineHondah35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2039 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
But I don't think that's AM's style.

Easy connections and route longevity has never been AMs style.

What an embarrassment to SkyTeam. I imagine DL and (formerly) CO did all of their LatAm route planning with zero attention to AM.

Someone needs to give Conesa a nudge (or whoever pulls the strings there) to get on the phone and start talking to MX, although the only value I see are some new 737s and T2 at MEX.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1951 times:



Quoting Hondah35 (Reply 20):
CO did all of their LatAm route planning with zero attention to AM.

I remember at one time CO and AM were planning on doing codeshare agreements with each other, yet there was some sort of disagreement. Can anyone refresh my memory if it was either CO or AM that were later not interested in playing fair in said agreement.

Also, does AM still maintain their main US offices just outside of IAH?



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Hot off the presses...this route is NOT being canned....frequency will be reduced in March to twice weekly for the off peak season...with Monday and Friday departures it looks like. This is a lot better than just canceling it altogether. I found this information on Aeromexico.com while looking up availability.

User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5008 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 18):


Wasn't it MEX-MSY-STL on a TW MD-80. Since the aircraft did not make it non-stop to STL, it made a stop in MSY. The flight did good thanks to TW's STL hub.

TWA had two MEX routings: STL-MEX-STL, and JFK-MSY-MEX-MSY-JFK. The JFK route was for TATL connections. TWA had no nonstop authority NYC-MEX because DL and CO did, and the route was limited to 2 American carriers. Thus the stop in MSY. They eventually dropped MEX completely awhile before the AA deal.



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