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Coastal Plains To Lowcountry:Carolinas Thread #6  
User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15826 times:

RDU finished 2009 without much fanfare....
More than 9.7 million passengers traveled through RDU in 2008. Down from a high
of more than 10 million in 2007, the number reflects the loss of available seats on flights
by the airlines. Many of the seats lost during the year were put in place to compete with
start-up carriers Express Jet and Midwest Connect, which ceased operations in 2008.
Even with the decline in passenger volumes, demand for air service remains strong.
Airline Passengers: 9,715,818 passengers
27,351 passengers per day
3.1 percent decline from 2007
Aircraft Operations: 229,406 takeoffs/landings
629 operations per day
(includes air carrier, general aviation
and military operations)
Air Cargo: 113.6 tons
Tons/pounds per day: 311/622,337
5.35 percent decline

GSO's 3rd runway opened *sigh*

"The $150 million runway project adds a third runway to the airport’s existing two
runways. The new runway will be parallel to the airport’s 10,000-foot existing main
runway, giving the airport additional flexibility in scheduling simultaneous parallel
operations, and providing a back-up runway when one of the main runways is out of
service."
"The opening of the 9,000-foot runway completes an airport expansion project that dates
back to April 1998 when FedEx first announced that the express package company
would build a mid-Atlantic hub at the airport."

You guys know deal....what else is up?


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User currently offlineGsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15754 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Thread starter):
gso's 3rd runway opened *sigh*

Typical, two threads of you moaning about GSO. Another if it isn't RDU, it isn't worth it type of poster. *sigh*

What for GSO in 2009:
-Tradewinds basically shut down, only maintenance ops out of GSO now once Caribbean Transport Services went to FedEx
-Fedex started ramping up flights
-ABX Air is ramping up cargo flights to take Tradewind's place
-Republic Airways bought the Comair Maintenance facility in GSO
-Hondajet started on their factory facility
-Fedex sorting facility opened
-Mountain Air Cargo expanded ops
-Delta and US Airways slashed Greensboro flights
-United stopped mainline service to GSO
-Greensboro lost roughly 26 daily passenger flights


User currently offlineKbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15701 times:

GSO is still trying to get more funding from the FAA to build a new tower. Right now on taxiway E there is a camera for the controllers to look at while planes taxi across. Taxiway D should be completed within the next month which would make the new runway more useful to aircraft parking at Atlantic Aero. Airport directors want to build a viewing area also but have not decided on a location or a time period for it. As far as I know the Comair Maintenance Hanger still says Comair and has CRJ's over there. Is there a date they are moving out and Republic will move in?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6776 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15589 times:

So I did a lil searching on updates at RDU.. Here's what I could find happening in Apr unless otherwise posted..

AA = DFW and ORD gets some 738 replacing MD80s..

DL = ATL goes back to 12, DTW will see some A319, CUN returned

CO = EWR is all express

UA =2x IAD went mainline to express, 1x express went to mainline

FL = nothing

B6 = 2x BOS added, JFK 4x in July

AC = no change

US = +1 PHL (7>8), PHX gone

WN = nothing, STL in May

I also noticed this for New Bern..

DL = 3 to ATL

US = -1 CLT



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User currently offlinekbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15480 times:

GSO Update

MQ CRJ7 over the usual E145 to DFW.
F8 is once daily to DTW in the E145.
RW more to PHL.
DHL 5/week to TJSJ


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15468 times:

Hey does anybody know what the Nortel Shuttle was all about? All I know was that is was a subsidized 732 to YOW from RDU...

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
CO = EWR is all express

wow...that sucks...at least we get some Q400s

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 1):
CO = EWR is all express

But GSO has some rare gems you know the aircraft coming in for maintenance, modifications etc.
In the past 2 weeks I spotted a Gol 738, a First Choice 763, a TUi 763, and a UA 772



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User currently offlinegsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15343 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 5):
But gso has some rare gems you know the aircraft coming in for maintenance, modifications etc.
In the past 2 weeks I spotted a Gol 738, a First Choice 763, a TUi 763, and a UA 772

I'll trade you for real airline service.... Frontier, Midwest, JetBlue, Airtrain.... anything, pick one and I'll trade you Timco.


User currently offlinekbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15301 times:

I agree. I will give you Timco for my pick, Jetblue. The amount of traffic GSO gets with Timco in a week is very little. Yes, occasionally there's a really neat plane here. But for the most part their tucked back in the hangar. I'd even trade it for some mainline routes.

User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15290 times:

CLT's fourth runway/third parallel (18R/36L) became fully operational on February 12th.

CLT/Runway+18R36L+Scheduled+For+Complete+Opening.htm" target="_blank">http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/...Scheduled+For+Complete+Opening.htm

Last I heard, the plan was for 18C/36C to undergo a rehabilitation process shortly after this new runway was opened. That process typically takes about 6-8 months and would result in 18C/36C being closed during that time. However, that information was correct as of last summer and I have not heard anything more on the issue since, so it's possible that plans maybe have changed or put on hold.


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

Hey guys,

Great news from AVL - 2009 traffic is up 4.1% from 2008! Got this email today:

"A big thank-you is in order from all of us at AVL to you -- the residents of Western North Carolina. Because you chose to use AVL in 2009, our passenger traffic numbers were up 4.1% over 2008!

Airport Director Lew Bleiweis had this to say: "Asheville Regional Airport is a bit of an anomalie compared to other airports its size, experiencing growth during challenging economic times, and we have the Western North Carolina community to thank for this."

From 557,927 passengers in 2008 to 580,630 in 2009, AVL saw an increase when many airports were losing traffic. Aiding in the upswing was the addition of two new carriers (AirTran and United) and three new destinations (Chicago, LaGuardia, and Orlando). Other factors in the growth include great airfares, amenities, and many of the characteristics that have long made AVL a top choice for travelers, including convenience, size, and customer service.

We appreciate and rely on your support to make air travel from Asheville more convenient and more promising than ever, and we look forward to serving you in 2010!"



2008 - 557,927 passengers.
2009 - 580,630 passengers.


I'm thrilled, and the new service from AE to DFW is going to do even more good. It's great to see that my airport is becoming more and more prominent as a viable and affordable travel solution.

Also, ATL-AVL on DL is now 10x daily.  



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15139 times:

Speaking of GSO...the 3rd runway is a complete flop....no one uses it...not even Fedex...it's too long of a taxi....late at night they shut off the lights to that runway...

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 6):
I'll trade you for real airline service.... Frontier, Midwest, JetBlue, Airtrain.... anything, pick one and I'll trade you Timco.

ha....

Quoting kbpilot5 (Reply 7):
I agree. I will give you Timco for my pick, Jetblue. The amount of traffic GSO gets with Timco in a week is very little. Yes, occasionally there's a really neat plane here. But for the most part their tucked back in the hangar. I'd even trade it for some mainline routes.

To me the best shot at mainline would be the reinstatement of a DL M88 from ATL..
There's Allegiant too...haha



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15034 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):

ERJ170, I came across some of your old threads and saw that you posted lists of the largest unversed destinations from RDU..and the average PDEW...

Do you think you can conjure up another list again?



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6776 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15020 times:

I probably just got the data from faremeasure.com. They list all that information. I just went with what was not available and copied it on a.net


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6776 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15005 times:

Let's see what I can come up with again.. (from faremeasure).. only including destinations with over 150 daily pax. (one 737)

Unserved Markets (my opinionated best served aircraft and frequency)
AUS = 181 (WN 737 x1)
BUF = 173 (B6 E90 x1)
BDL = 284 (WN 737 x1)
MCI = 202 (YX E70 x2)
LAX = 408 (VX 319 x2)
PVD = 173 (WN 737 x1)
SAT = 201 (??)
SAN = 256 (WN 737 or VX 319 x1)
SFO = 368 (VX 319 x2)
SEA = 325 (AS 73H x1)

Served Markets
ATL = 890 (DL & FL)
BWI = 514 (WN)
BOS = 880 (AA, DL, B6)
CHI = 1131 (AA, UA, WN)
DFW = 553 (AA)
DEN = 460 (WN)
DTW = 352 (DL)
FLL = 472 (B6, WN)
IAH = 314 (CO)
IND = 202 (DL)
MIA = 313 (AA)
MSP = 313 (DL)
BNA = 425 (WN)
NYC = 2431 (AA, CO, DL, B6, US)
MCO = 658 (WN)
PHL = 1175 (US, WN)
PHX = 341 (WN)
LAS = 538 (WN)
STL = 267 (WN)
TPA = 518 (WN)
WAS = 554 (AA, US, UA)



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14998 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):

Nice thanks...that's good stuff...MQ is leaving a void...that would've almost been a niche operation if properly done...and plenty of gates will be available at RDU....it will be ripe...that is for an operation serving the needs of the RTP community...



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6776 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14990 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 14):
that is for an operation serving the needs of the RTP community...

Which I would say.. would be nice if an airline like Air Wisconsin was to buy the Dash 8-400 from Lynx.. and run them as a RDU focus for Midwest or DL.. they could easily run several destinations.. including BDL, BUF, ALB, JAX, CMH, YTZ, YUL, PVD, and even BDA.. all with lower cost Dash and they would all still within the profitable range.. but alas..



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14984 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
Which I would say.. would be nice if an airline like Air Wisconsin was to buy the Dash 8-400 from Lynx.. and run them as a RDU focus for Midwest or DL.. they could easily run several destinations.. including BDL, BUF, ALB, JAX, CMH, YTZ, YUL, PVD, and even BDA.. all with lower cost Dash and they would all still within the profitable range.. but alas..

The perfect scenario....RDU will pony up incentives....gates are available...and the fact that these routes are not even served...



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User currently offlinegsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14940 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 10):
Speaking of gso...the 3rd runway is a complete flop....no one uses it...not even Fedex...it's too long of a taxi....late at night they shut off the lights to that runway...

How old are you?

The 3rd runway was just opened. The Taxi is long and not viewable from the current tower. FedEx doesn't use it because FedEx has no hub here yet. Good God get off your freaking RDU high horse, it is getting old.


User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14787 times:

I think a lot of airlines are passing up some opportunity to expand or start-up service at RDU. Hopefully once the new terminal is complete early next year things will begin to change.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14778 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 10):

To me the best shot at mainline would be the reinstatement of a DL M88 from ATL..

I'd say the best hope if anything is a DC-9-50 from Atlanta as those start to cycle through ATL more this Spring/Summer.

CLT-ATL will be seeing at least one daily DC-9-50 starting in April.

The DC-9-50 should be a great plane for a lot of ATL-short haul Southeast that used to see MD-80s and 737-200s - cities such as TYS, GSO, CLT, RDU, CAE, CHS, GSP, TLH, PNS, BHM, MOB, JAN, etc...

The CRJ-700s getting First Class should also help a little bit...


User currently offlinekbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14717 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 19):
The DC-9-50 should be a great plane for a lot of ATL-short haul Southeast that used to see MD-80s and 737-200s - cities such as TYS, GSO, CLT, RDU, CAE, CHS, GSP, TLH, PNS, BHM, MOB, JAN, etc..

I think the DC-9-50 would be a perfect aircraft for those shorter but strong routes. The 737-800 is too big of a plane to put on that short of route. The MD80 would work again, but the DC-9-50 would be a better size and more useful for the area. I wonder what the odds of UA starting mainline back to ORD, or even DEN in the CRJ7? With MSP cut by DL I think it could work as a nice connector to cities out west. Will it happen? probably not...When they planned the new runway no one could predict the downfall in the industry and for FX to not open to full capacity so take it easy.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14707 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 9):
Other factors in the growth include great airfares

So, how does an airport like AVL get "great airfares", with fewer airlines (read: less competition) and roughly half the passenger volume of an airport like GSP, which is being strangled by high airfares?



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14626 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 21):
So, how does an airport like AVL get "great airfares", with fewer airlines (read: less competition) and roughly half the passenger volume of an airport like GSP, which is being strangled by high airfares?

Perhaps it's the influx of new service and new airlines coming into AVL... In the past year, AVL has gotten FL, UA, and MQ, bringing in three new destinations. In addition, AVL is seeing passenger growth in a time when most airports are losing pax left and right. Airlines foresee this new service, and future new competition, and they lower fares.

I don't know if that has much to do with it at all, but it's the only thing I can think of.  

GPSSPOT, I remember not long ago driving down to GSP from the AVL area routinely to catch flights with substantially lower fares. You hardly ever hear of people doing that anymore.

Any idea what has caused GSP fares to skyrocket?



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14594 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 22):
Any idea what has caused GSP fares to skyrocket?

Probably a captive, quite active business travel sector. GSP's traffic is overwhelmingly business-oriented. If you don't want to get in your car & drive an hour or more from the GSP area to another airport, you're stuck with the sky-high fares that the lack of true, comprehensive LCC service perpetuates.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1064 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 14551 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 23):
Probably a captive, quite active business travel sector. GSP's traffic is overwhelmingly business-oriented. If you don't want to get in your car & drive an hour or more from the GSP area to another airport, you're stuck with the sky-high fares that the lack of true, comprehensive LCC service perpetuates.

It's not unlike HSV, which is about the same size but which has the highest average fares in the nation due to the strength of its business travel segment and lack of LCC. (I have family in both GSP and HSV.) It is also squeezed between two airports with LCC service--BNA and BHM.


25 AVLAirlineFreq : As a follow up...I actually just looked up the 2009 passenger numbers for both GSP and HSV, and they are very close: 1.25 million passengers enplaned
26 GSPSPOT : Yes, I've noticed there are lots of similarities between the two as far as airport market forces and general metro area characteristics go. Both seem
27 jetpixx : I flew from RDU (my new hometown airport as of 12/08) three times in the past month, once on AA, once on DL and once on B6...I really like the new te
28 gsoflyer : Since you RDU people are always on the attack. Why do you RDU people think you deserve service to cities with very little O^D traffic (not enough to
29 gsoflyer : And you want to talk holes in service? How about no mainline service at all for an area the same size as yours with a median family income comparable
30 thegreatRDU : When the Fedex hub is complete how big is it supposed to be? (operations, facilities etc...) gsoflyer, we have more business travelers and RTP... We'
31 Post contains links AVLAirlineFreq : This was posted in another thread, but I thought I would include it here. FL to expand AVL-MCO to 4x/week for the summer, and start seasonal service f
32 casInterest : Why so bitter? Half of the Catchment of GSO lives closer to RDU or CLT. Therefore GSO gets screwed. Independence, AirTran, Skybus have all tried to m
33 GSPSPOT : There are TOO many similarities between the situations that GSP and GSO find themselves in. Our fine airport facilities shouldn't have to pay the pric
34 thegreatRDU : What do you think it will take GSO to get service from any of those carriers...
35 ERJ170 : OMG. Is there any other area that has these kinds of fights cause it's just getting OLD! I mean, come on. No one on this has any power in any airline
36 birdbrainz : Speaking of GSO's third runway, while driving in this morning, I saw a FedEx A310 (or possibly A300) on the taxiway parallel to the 3rd runway and som
37 jetpixx : My thoughts, exactly. I read the response and am sorry for offering my opinion. I admitted RDU is overserved a bit. I like our airport and am happy w
38 Post contains images uncGSO : The new GSO runway is open and fully operational. My grandmother actually landed on it the day it opened on Jan 26th. I work at I-40 and 68 and have s
39 Post contains images DeltaAVL : More fantastic news for AVL! That brings the number of new destinations this year to 5: LGA on DL DFW on MQ (*new airline) ORD on UA (*new airline) M
40 thegreatRDU : It's not used that often...actually hardly at all... Nice! so how are fares looking out of AVL?
41 GSPSPOT : Once again - nearly a mirror of what's been going on at GSP (if you adjust the date reference a bit). Despite continuing strong population growth and
42 kbpilot5 : I saw this too, looked as if it was being towed. GSO really needed one LCC that doesn't serve CLT or RDU heavily. What do you think the most likely L
43 FutureFO : FL served GSO for awhile but pulled out as the landing fees became an enormous hindrance. GSO has lowered the landing fees to attract more service. Ho
44 thegreatRDU : I'm not sure about WN ever coming to GSO.....what you stated could make the case but too much would have to fall in place
45 GSPSPOT : Same would be true for WN at GSP - GSP would split the difference between ATL & CLT (close to the geographic center of the "hole" in WN's route n
46 kbpilot5 : Yes, not very likely but could happen. Is the GSO Airport Authority even trying to get a LCC or more flights. Seems like all they ever worry about is
47 gsoflyer : 70 flights per day mainline plus feeder.... Yeah, and that means what exactly. Looking at O&D stats for RDU doesn't show a flight to CDG is even
48 DeltaAVL : But, if fares are better at RDU, which they are, people are going to make the hour drive to save $100+. Especially students, which makes this argumen
49 thegreatRDU : Hartford and Buffalo can see multiple regionals and they will be majority business traffic.. I'm not complaining.... Which is exactly why they will c
50 casInterest : GSO got the Fed Ex Facility, A New Runway, and a redone terminal. What pipe are you smoking from? UNCG is the equivelent of Duke NC A&T is the eq
51 kbpilot5 : Wake Forest? Definitely not as big but has a strong alumni. High Point University is doing very well and has a strong potential for High Point. None
52 cessna2 : WN will never serve GSO as long as the continue to ramp up service at RDU. Expect a big change in service once the new terminal opens up and CO and U
53 kbpilot5 : Their gates are always full over there. Rarely ever see less then 3 planes. Next year this time when gate space is freeing up as the new terminal ope
54 Trooper508 : Anyone know how to get a list of the Timco flight scheds, if there is such a thing? While it doesn't happen everyday, and it's usually only once a day
55 cessna2 : Most likely LGA, BOS, MSP, MCI, possibly MKE, DET, (if they want to become competitive with DL. Once the restrictions on Love Field are lifted WN wil
56 kbpilot5 : I saw in the Midwest thread that a lot of RW flying is moving to GSO. Anyone know what GSO routes will be seeing the E170? maybe more PHL, DCA, and LG
57 casInterest : Well technically there are all sorts of free gates in A already, but what they want are US Airways gates, which they will get. along with possibly co
58 thegreatRDU : That would be too much, maybe two or three more of US's gates, but if they were to get more and go up to say Continentals old gates they would of obv
59 casInterest : Very true. I kind of wonder if maybe Airtran or Jetblue might try to take over some more gates in the near future. There are currently quite a few av
60 thegreatRDU : Air Tran has me intrigued they could serve more destinations instead of ATL..
61 Post contains images GSPSPOT : ...and more cities in the Carolinas.
62 thegreatRDU : Incentives would have to be thrown....and only a LCC could do it profitably but 1x or 2x that's it...
63 BrettFromCLT : CLT has begun C checks on the rocking chair fleet.
64 cessna2 : Well I know next year when US Airways moves Southwest will move to that area. Not sure how many gates they will get but the current section (gates A25
65 FutureFO : We operate the 170's to CLT and PHL right now. S5 is going to be bringing in a 170 for UAX to ORD and possibly IAD. We are pushing for DCA to get 1 17
66 thegreatRDU : Torn down? Why?
67 GSPSPOT : Has anyone in this thread mentioned Porter Airlines' new seasonal service to MYR from Toronto's City Airport yet (I know it was dicussed in other foru
68 cessna2 : The area WN currently occupies is the original terminal built back in the 30's. (obviously renovated). If you recall RDU used to have Terminal A, Ter
69 mah4546 : As first reported by MaverickM11 in another thread, American Eagle will launch Dallas-Fayetteville this summer.
70 cltguy : Charlotte will be expanding Concourse E very soon. As part of those plans they will be adding 2 A330 capable gates and an auxillary International Arri
71 Post contains links casInterest : http://www.rdu.com/Landing/RDUupdate/Winter2009/t1.html http://www.rdu.com/Landing/RDUupdate/fall2009/t1.html The plans seem to keep changing, but cur
72 ERJ170 : Are we sure Midwest will be in Terminal 1? From what I recall, isn't 2 of the gates (18-19, I think) supposed to be closed so they can add the TSA eq
73 casInterest : I think wiki page has that for all the reliability it is worth. RDU is so far mum on the issue. However i haven't heard if eagle is going to do groun
74 ERJ170 : Ahh yes.. wiki.. Congratulations to FAY.. but I wish AA would restore some of their service.. like bring DFW back to 7x daily... bring ORD back to 6x
75 Post contains links thegreatRDU : Nice... That's exactly why nothing will get torn down... And from Packcheer AA1114 MIA - LGA a 757 made an emergency landing at RDU this morning afte
76 cessna2 : Thats why I wish WN would make RDU a focus city. The only problem is Baltimore is 30 min flight time from RDU. IF RDU became a focus city it would cos
77 uncGSO : Looks like UA adds a fifth daily GSO-ORD for the summer. Also, UA drops GSO-IAD to 3X daily, but one flight is upgraded from an ER4 to a CR7.
78 thegreatRDU : ERJ170, are these numbers PDEW or in total?
79 ERJ170 : I think it may be total...
80 Post contains links thegreatRDU : Your right it is... CLT get's YOW which makes sense... US To Launch CLT-YOW (by FutureUScapt Mar 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)
81 FutureUScapt : I don't believe this has been mentioned in this thread, but US has received DOT approval for CLT-PVR/SJD flights. US has proposed a start date of June
82 ERJ170 : Is it just me or does it seem that US is becoming more "US" and less "HP" because they see the value of the East Coast operations more than the west
83 thegreatRDU : I don't think so...maybe WN is taking a toll on US's west coast operations....
84 cltguy : The ANC flight still goes through PHX...the PHL-ANC flight is seasonal. Also the Latin/Central American flights still go through PHX...the CLT flight
85 Post contains links thegreatRDU : Spreading the love........... CLT To Expand Concourse E (by USAirALB Mar 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)
86 ERJ170 : So, unfortunately, it looks like Midwest will be handled by American again. They will be using gate C-24 (one of the international gates) at RDU for s
87 casInterest : I doubt it. I think once again they are taking advantage of the AA ground crew. I really hoped that they would add some service to MCI or DEN, howeve
88 DeltaAVL : More good news for AVL in the weekly OAG changes: AVL-DTW is now 3x daily, up from 2x daily. AVL-CLT is now 9x daily, up from 7x daily.
89 Post contains links thegreatRDU : You all have probably seen what was going on with a US 762 at CLT... US Airways CLT Incident This Morning (by Qantas777 Mar 16 2010 in Civil Aviation)
90 JBirdAV8r : Surprising. Every time I fly AVL-CLT on US I have at least the seat next to me free, and usually the entire row, as there generally are only 25-30 pe
91 AVLAirlineFreq : I found it a little surprising, too, although US has added seasonal increases in the past for summer and fall. US did run a 81% load factor in 2009 o
92 thegreatRDU : Honestly, that's what I think it is...they both jockey for position on the Southeast regional flights...
93 Post contains links Packcheer : Well in today's news, DL announced that they are bringing back RDU-LAX either with an A320 or 738. More info can be found on the whole thread about it
94 ERJ170 : It's a 320 flight.. Exciting!!!! Now just hoping to see some more.. I would love to know what the top 10 destinations are. Reading an article, looks
95 thegreatRDU : Wohoo we got a 320 flight to LAX!! I am surprised BDL will go unversed...it's a huge destination from RDU and nothing but high-yielding RTP travelers
96 cessna2 : Also Virgin America announced today some new service as well as atleast 3 more destinations in 2010 and more in early 2011. I honestly think we will b
97 thegreatRDU : Why not from their largest hub at SFO?
98 cessna2 : Not as much traffic between SFO as there is between LAX
99 thegreatRDU : There's an average of 368 daily PAX traveling between RDU and SFO with these flights...timing is everything...
100 Packcheer : But is there enough traffic to fill one A320 rountrip SFO-RDU-SFO?
101 cessna2 : ok...Compared to the 685 that travel between LAX and RDU each day...SFO isnt going to happen anytime soon its not a big enough load...
102 ERJ170 : You have to realize that before DL initially started the LAX flight in 2006, there were only about 385 pdew.. it grew by double when the flight was o
103 cessna2 : Thats not true at all...Just because a destination is served nonstop DOES NOT mean it will grow. You have to have the customer base there in the firs
104 thegreatRDU : cessna, by offering the flight it will stimulate traffic as it will gain traction among the business community...the only thing the airline would hav
105 FutureUScapt : Just curious where you got 685 from? Based on 2Q09 it looks to be right around 400/day, or just about 30 more than SFO. Nonstop routes DO typically r
106 Post contains images cessna2 : According to RDUAA 250,000 people travel between LAX and RDU each year...Divide that by 365... and dont worry If VX comes to RDU then VX comes if the
107 thegreatRDU : It's irrelevant we all thought that's what VX would go for (long thin routes)...but that's not the case...
108 thegreatRDU : RDU lost a WN frequency to BWI, MDW, and MCO WN dropped over a hundred routes....it's inevitable some 733s will be parked...
109 cessna2 : How unfortunate...WN is my favorite carrier out of RDU. I found an article from around 2000-2001 discussing future possible routes of Long Island, Man
110 thegreatRDU : Those are routes ideal for the RTP businesses...and businessmen don't really fly WN....
111 AVLAirlineFreq : Is that still true? I know it used to be the case, and I know WN may not have the corporate contracts that legacy carriers have, but I really thought
112 ERJ170 : Good Lord no! Businesspeople absolutely fly WN. Why do you think they updated their boarding area to allow workstations and the such. I can almost gu
113 thegreatRDU : At RDU?
114 ERJ170 : Yeap.. I know several people from where I work (in Maryland) that fly into RDU on WN.. and they are not alone..
115 thegreatRDU : Let's not kid ourselves here....I think it's safe to say businessmen overwhelmingly prefer the legacies over WN...
116 ERJ170 : So, I have a couple of off the wall questions... perhaps someone could answer.. 1. Flytecomm shows UPS only bringing in the MD11. No other aircraft? W
117 DeltaAVL : Flew into RDU yesterday on the Delta 319 from MSP... It was my first time flying through the new terminal, and boy, that facility is nice. Although, w
118 cessna2 : they are building Phase two of the terminal...Once completed early next year the new terminal will be 3 times larger than the previous one.
119 Post contains links casInterest : MD11 isn't quite as large as the combined space of the 300 and 757, but fairly close http://www.ups.com/aircargo/using/se...ervices/domestic/svc-airc
120 thegreatRDU : There's still alot to do...once the project is completed everybody could be housed under terminal 2 but I doubt it would happen...[Edited 2010-03-26
121 Post contains images casInterest : Terminal 2 Yeah , they could mothball 1 with the current state of traffic, but I think they are going to do the LCC terminal thing for awhile. I just
122 kbpilot5 : Looks like GSO had an S5 E170 to IAD today. Any chance this may become daily or was this just an aircraft swap today.
123 ERJ170 : yeah for Delta uploaded schedules! So, the RDU A320 routing is as follows: LAX- (arr 6:00am) RDU (dep 7:00am) -ATL ATL- (arr 12:09am) RDU RON (dep 6:0
124 thegreatRDU : Hell yea that's what i'm talking about.... I'm not a fan of the 19:45 departure...timing is everything and the route is begging to be cut with times
125 Packcheer : Unless their aim is the business traveler departing Raleigh after a full day's work, arriving in LA before it's too late, and then returning that even
126 cessna2 : Anyone know if Delta is going to bring in the Paris flight this year like they said they were going to?
127 rdukid : Sorry if this has already been discussed but what is American's deal at RDU this summer? I was browsing some of the schedules and it looks like on som
128 thegreatRDU : If so that's pathetic...service is dropping like a rock...
129 ERJ170 : I think they were probably doing flight uploads when you looked before. Check again.. I'm almost positive they are there. But I doubt u will see any
130 blueheronNC : Keep in mind that for the SF Bay Area, it isn't just travelers to SFO, but also SJC or OAK who would drive the 30 miles to SFO to get a nonstop. Util
131 rdukid : Yeah I checked again and more flight have appeared. Still sad though...
132 FutureUScapt : True, but this is just utilization flying on the part of DL. They are taking a plane that would otherwise be sitting around and simply taking advanta
133 thegreatRDU : Right and oil prices will spike in the summer and the route gets cut....
134 Post contains links casInterest : Yeah, this is a pretty big concern. Currently i see the economy getting going and then oil prices will hit 120+ a barrel and that will be it. Then we
135 thegreatRDU : Agreed, there's just bigger fish to fry with the money...
136 thegreatRDU : So CLT will see it's HNL service suspended and RDU is about to suffer of several MQ flights/destinations this month
137 Post contains links thegreatRDU : RDU airport in fight with newspaper vendors... Airport Check-in: Newspaper fight goes on at Raleigh-Durham A federal appeals court has affirmed a lowe
138 cessna2 : So we've all heard about the AA and B6 codeshare agreement...Just curious with B6 continually adding flights at RDU and AA reducing flights is it poss
139 casinterest : Probably not, seeing as they currently are in seperate terminals with no physical connection. Also future plans still call for B6 to be in Terminal 1
140 thegreatRDU : Oh god heavens no....
141 cltguy : The intermodal rail yard for Norfolk Southern at the Charlotte airport between the Center and New runways is finallly a go. This has been in the works
142 Post contains links and images DeltaAVl : Some photos from the American Eagle station opening and inaugural AVL-DFW flight: Left to right: John Hutchinson, Senior Vice President of Planning an
143 thegreatRDU : Good stuff.... Does anyone know if the airlines at GSO have added flights due to the furniture market....or how about any special charters? I heard a
144 kbpilot5 : I was looking on Delta.com and it looks like GSO has a DL MD88 coming back like it used to be. Come in last flight of the night and then leave first f
145 ERJ170 : Quick question... Does anyone know if RDU-FLL on B6 is doing okay, outstanding, or mediocre? I am asking because I'm wondering why they haven't added
146 cessna2 : I'm not quite sure of the loads. However if you look on flightaware you will see that the flight starts in BOS stops at RDU then continues on to FLL.
147 Post contains images kbpilot5 : I feel like a B6 hub/focus city would be great at RDU. Advertise with the popular AA in the area but serve many more destinations earning AA points. S
148 Post contains images cessna2 : exactly...specially if they primarily use the E-190 which is around the same size as the fokker 100 that JI and AA used when they had hubs at RDU. B6
149 FutureUScapt : Any connecting traffic that this route receives is just a bonus (albeit likely at a lower yield). B6 has no need to connect BOS traffic in RDU when t
150 thegreatRDU : Dream all you guys want it just won't happen....
151 gsoflyer : Saw a Tui Fly 757 or 737 landing on my way home from work. Not sure if it is a Market Visitor or not. Then later in the day saw a Thomson Fly and then
152 cessna2 : I don't see how that wouldn't work...You seem to always be the one person on here that continually strives to be negative...Lighten up for once. I th
153 gsoflyer : He's not saying it won't work, he's saying it won't happen. Jetblue has an east coast hub already, they aren't that big of an airline.
154 ERJ170 : jetBlue has FLL, MCO, IAD, JFK, and BOS all on the east coast. They dont' need RDU. Midway didn't have a hub anymore.. they needed a new hub and AA w
155 thegreatRDU : Exactly, caessna2, if B6 wants to grow they need to look at the Midwest but expanding RDU will just be overlap.... Saw a Tui fly 763 with winglets ta
156 Post contains links Packcheer : Apparently CAE offered WN about $15 Million in incentives to begin service at CAE. Southwest announced today that they turned them down. http://www.th
157 GSPSPOT : ...But a Southwest official, when asked, refused to deny that they were considering GSP. After all, GSP is just about dead center of the geographic h
158 Post contains links and images AVLAirlineFreq : It was reported today that AVL recorded a 19.2% increase in passenger traffic in March, the largest monthly increase in over four years (and the large
159 Post contains images DeltaAVL : I wish I'd been back home so I could take pictures! Fantastic news about the March '10 numbers.
160 thegreatRDU : Not surprising at all Why was the C-32 used?
161 gsoflyer : Well, FedEx has upgrade to MD-11 service on the San Juan flights. Also noticed flights to Hartford, Newark and Miami using A300s. And the past few day
162 kbpilot5 : I also so these. They were diverts going to CLT. The 733 was coming from FLL and the 762 from San Juan. I was watching the news earlier and just miss
163 Post contains links and images uncGSO : Here is the link about the new flights...looks like DL is adding flights and putting mainline back on GSO-ATL. Also a mention about DHL. Finally some
164 thegreatRDU : Good stuff The CR7s are still running through on most if not all the flights to ATL... Haven't seen any MD88s...
165 gsoflyer : ABX Air is flying for DHL right? Because I notice 2 or 3 ABX Air flights per day, I think to BWI, Wilmington OH and Aquadilla..... All with I think 7
166 gsoflyer : All right, What's the deal with Republic/Frontier? I thought they were buying the Comair Maintenance building, the one that still says Comair. I thoug
167 kbpilot5 : DL mainline is back June 11! Going to be two daily to ATL. They fly to San Juan. It is B762 service. I saw that they are going to have considerably m
168 Post contains links thegreatRDU : CO 3006 Diverted To GSO For Bomb Threat (by JerseyGuy Apr 28 2010 in Civil Aviation) No wonder the airlines are losing money this sort of thing happen
169 kbpilot5 : The whole surrounding area was blocked off and no one could get by. People were extremely confused on how to get to the airport. I think yesterday wa
170 thegreatRDU : Front page on the local paper today.... The DL mainline coming back to GSO has me stoked..... Let's hope US or UA catch on... According to Speednews,
171 ERJ170 : After reading all the airport additions going on, I have a couple of wish list items I would like to see in print.. EWN (Coastal Carolian Regional / N
172 AVLAirlineFreq : I keep waiting for WN to start that at some point. As for AVL, my wish list includes: 2x DFW on AA, year-round 2x MIA on AA 2x WAS on UA or US 1x PHL
173 kbpilot5 : GSO: All that Republic flying to actually start at GSO that is supposed to happen. Fedex to open up the hub. 1x DFW on AA with the MD80 2x ORD on UA w
174 DeltaAVL : A Cape Air-type operation in NC would be a huge hit, especially if they could keep prices low. I can see US doing DCA before UA doing IAD, personally
175 cessna2 : Agreed! Worked quite well when AA and JI both had hubs at RDU Unless WN declares RDU a focus city (which will never happen as long as BWI is around)
176 AVLAirlineFreq : US Airways Express/CC Air had a similar type of operation in place for a long time as well, using J31s. AVL had 2x daily service to RDU (one of which
177 ERJ170 : Here's a random question.. while perusing the fast facts for Terminal 2, I noticed it said there would be 3 international gates. There are currently t
178 Post contains links thegreatRDU : Jetblue adds additional flights to BOS out of RDU bringing the total to three? http://www.wral.com/business/briefs/story/7530748/
179 cltguy : New Rome Service starts today at CLT. If you are going to be at the airport around 4pm come down to then end of Concourse D for free food and entertai
180 thegreatRDU : Apart from a very seasonal MAD what else could be supported....
181 ERJ170 : Did anyone else get the newsletter today from RDU? It was some good reads.. Some notes of interest... *Terminal 2 Concourse D will be the "Star Allian
182 thegreatRDU : I don't think layout wise it's possible... This is what I want I want the CDG flight soooo bad....
183 ERJ170 : It may not be in the same location where it is currently located. I"m not sure what they are going to do.. but they could put it in the yet-to-be-bui
184 thegreatRDU : That's what I was thinking....the new terminal plans are etched in stone and it wouldn't be centrally located...do I even think this will happen? no.
185 FutureUScapt : Any insight as to whether or not US will have a club in the new concourse? They came close to closing RDU back in 2008 but changed their mind when th
186 ERJ170 : A bit of tidbits of tiddly-wink news at RDU.. RDU plans to fastforward the opening of Terminal 2.. by leaps and bounds... Originally, Terminal 2 was t
187 thegreatRDU : Remember, MQ/AA does handle their flights above and below ground...
188 Post contains images ERJ170 : True, but I"m hoping the fact they are hiring a station manager could means other things..
189 Post contains images kbpilot5 : The US Figure Skating Championships will be held in Greensboro January 22 to 30 2011. I don't know much about figure skating since I don't have much i
190 thegreatRDU : Saw a Fedex DC-10 doing touch and gos on the new runway at GSO...good stuff.....[Edited 2010-05-23 17:54:34]
191 kbpilot5 : They came out and did 3 touch and goes then went back for a few hours and came back out and did some more. That was pretty neat when they were on the
192 GSP psgr : Is there any consensus as to whether ILM could support a third networked carrier? I've always thought that United Express with 2-3 dailies to Washingt
193 ERJ170 : some interesting things I saw while researching DL in September.. MSP goes to 2x E75/2x CR7.. no more mainline LGA goes 1x E75/5x CR7 ATL goes all mai
194 thegreatRDU : The Rebulic E170s are so common now.. Oh yeah of course Damn....MSP has me surprised...
195 kbpilot5 : I see one every time I drive past the airport. Anyone know how initial loads are looking on the RDU to LAX flight?
196 Post contains links thegreatRDU : "Loving little Midway Airlines to death." http://triangle.bizjournals.com/tria.../2001/08/27/editorial1.html?page=1 As respected airline analyst Micha
197 Post contains links eraugrad02 : We had UAX in ILM to IAD. I started up the station here. Our loads we're awesome on J-41 and then CRJ. Inother ILM news, we get US mainline back in A
198 eraugrad02 : Mainline is back in ILM starting 9-8-2010. Two of the 9 CLT trips are 737-300's. The 0700 departure and 1800 departure. Last time mainline was in here
199 uncGSO : Well we got our MD88 back from ATL tonight, and looks to be a 738 to ATL in the morning, so at least that is something. Wish US would bring the big o
200 eraugrad02 : Yea, i'm hoping with the awesome LF with DL that we'll see some almost mainline metal (2-class CRJ-700) Desmond in ILM,
201 Post contains links AVLAirlineFreq : I wouldn't ordinarily post an article simply about year-over-year increases in monthly traffic but this was really good news for the second month in a
202 DeltaAVL : Man, I'm sure glad I caught a ride on the MSP 319 a few weeks ago. Shame, the flight seemed fairly full. Yep, I saw this. Great news. I'm just hoping
203 USAirALB : I always thought RDU would be a good east coast hub for Alaska. And DUB
204 Post contains images kbpilot5 : The MD88's back to GSO are really nice. I am sure some of these will be swapped with B738's a few times like usual. I am not seeing any US mainline in
205 GSPSPOT : What is the reason for such large, sustained increases? I'd imagine we would hear about new employers moving to that area, much as I'm sure the AVL-a
206 cessna2 : RDU is a good Focus city for an airline wanting to connect North-South traffic. We can support some west coast flights such as LAX, SJC, SFO, and SEA.
207 ERJ170 : RDU is good for North-South as well as North-South--> West and North-South-->TransAtlantic
208 kbpilot5 : Will there really be a significant change in traffic/carriers when the new terminal opens? I was there this week and it's really looking nice.
209 cessna2 : some interesting info...Once Terminal 2 is completely finished, (now estimated by the end of the year), US and CO will move into the new terminal. As
210 casinterest : There has been talk of Mothballing Terminal 1, shutting down the North End (WN) gates and other ideas depending on usage. It all depends on traffic t
211 AVLAirlineFreq : I think it is almost entirely attributable to the growth in new service over the last year or so, and pricing consistently being at parity with GSP a
212 kbpilot5 : I think they should stick to the plan of keeping the LCC's (Jetblue, Southwest, Airtran) over at Terminal 1. At least wait a year or so after the open
213 ERJ170 : From what I understand, this is the plan.. Terminal 2 to be the Legacy Terminal (Concourses C & D) Terminal 1 to close old Terminal B/A Annex. Sou
214 USAirALB : I believe these days it just isn't economical to operate A319s/B737s on GSO-CLT. It's cheaper to fly to contract out the flight to regionals and send
215 ERJ170 : Does anyone know if RDU-YUL has ever been served? I know RDU-YOW was served by Canadian in the early 90's.. but not sure if YUL was ever served. Just
216 thegreatRDU : No haha...
217 Post contains links DeltaAVL : http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/...ngers-fly-out-of-Asheville-airport "The number of passengers departing from the Asheville Regional Airport in A
218 gsoflyer : Yes it was for a very short while on Air Canada. I took the flight to Dorval (should tell you how long ago that was). I also took the flights to YOW
219 kbpilot5 : Happens a lot at GSO.... Anyone know when taxiway D extension will open? Looks about done to me. Should be more aircraft landing on 23R if they can t
220 cessna2 : DL making RDU a focus city???
221 ERJ170 : were you looking at Wikipedia.?. LOL..
222 gsoflyer : Oh well, something I noticed on here. Loads don't equal profit. and lack of loads for big markets at cheaper fares makes sense, why higher loads with
223 cessna2 : No apparently someone with information was hinting in another thread that DL is looking to build up large operations in STL, IND, and RDU...
224 ERJ170 : Hmm.. That would be interesting but very confusing.. with Delta having about 400 hubs right now, why would they need focus cities? They certainly don'
225 cessna2 : They are trying to gain market share. Ever since AA stepped down off its soap box in RDU DL has been the emerging brand... To quote word for word..."
226 casinterest : I wouldn't with the combine loads of DL and NW, we have markets for all of these. All of these routes have been borderline for years and most have ha
227 cessna2 : Where on wikipedia did you see this?
228 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : The next time DL doesn't want to burden ATL will be the first time.
229 kbpilot5 : Those actually would make the most sense but I don't think that is true... yet. Somebody does that with the GSO wiki about every week. Starting all m
230 GSPSPOT : "Provide it, and they will come"? Just adding a flight doesn't guarantee increase pax numbers. What is driving the increase?
231 AVLAirlineFreq : Sure it can, if it helps stop leakage to other airports. And heck, for some people, just having a new nonstop flight to a desirable destination is en
232 Post contains links AVLAirlineFreq : DL is giving away 40k SkyMiles to one lucky passenger on each of its 41 daily flights at RDU on Tuesday to celebrate its 40th year at the airport. Nic
233 eraugrad02 : They had a story on the local news that the strike at Spirit is sending pax driving from MYR to ILM to get any available seat on US's 3 non-stops to L
234 gsoflyer : Which is funny because GSO, with a Metro 4.6 times larger than Asheville, doesn't have flights to MCO or TPA. Ugh GSO needs some service. I have a tr
235 kbpilot5 : Everytime I look at DL and US flights that are still over 2 to 3 weeks in away the seats are already full and the price is extremely high. If they ad
236 cessna2 : Looks like the non-stop RDU-LAX ends after July...
237 ERJ170 : Well that was short lived and sucks.. it was only supposed to go down to 4 days per week.. not cut completely.. I guess perhaps RDU can't support a w
238 thegreatRDU : What? Someone get me a link...
239 cessna2 : There isnt a press release about it but when i was looking to book RDU-LAX in august there wasn't a nonstop...Could they not have updated their schedu
240 Post contains links thegreatRDU : Hey GSO had a "5k on the runway" event on the new runway last Saturday..there was a Fedex310 on static on display among others... GREENSBORO, N.C. - M
241 kbpilot5 : I ran it. Extremely good turn out and supposedly are going to have it annually now. I was looking the other day and the same thing happened to me. I
242 ERJ170 : Got a Question for the RDU team.. does anyone know if Concourse D will contain a US Airways club or not? I know they reinstated the club in Terminal 1
243 eraugrad02 : I tend to agree with you. AVL yearly total pax for 2009 was half the amount that ILM was yet they have all these airlines and we only have 3. Here's
244 AVLAirlineFreq : Just an FYI--it's not quite half. AVL was 580,630 in 2009 and ILM was 807,126. But your point is nonetheless correct.
245 gsoflyer : They gave incentives to Airtran, and after that ended, Airtran left. They gave incentives to Indy Air, and they went belly up. At first they didn't g
246 kbpilot5 : I am still surprised Airtran hasn't wanted to come back even with no incentives.
247 kbpilot5 : According to the airport master plan. GSO has been approached by an airline to provide an FIS at the airport. I know Fedex already does some internati
248 AVLAirlineFreq : According to an e-mail newsletter AVL just sent me, one of the 10 daily flights to ATL on DL will be upgraded to a CRJ-700, including first class, beg
249 DeltaAVL : Ahh, you just beat me to it! That's great news - it's been a while since I've seen a '700 at AVL.
250 thegreatRDU : Of course the base is too large... there would be no benefit another CR2...low load factors and high fares..
251 kbpilot5 : What are prices on them like out of RDU and CLT?
252 eraugrad02 : We got one last summer. With a 91% load factor so far this year I hope to see some back here soon. Desmond in ILM,
253 kbpilot5 : For the fall, GSO is up to two daily MD88's to ATL for a total of 11 daily.
254 thegreatRDU : Easily in the $200-300 range per way!
255 Post contains links kbpilot5 : I would rather not even see that then. Drives up average fare and wouldn't be that beneficial. The new runway at GSO 23R/5L is going to be closed for
256 FutureUScapt : Perhaps you were looking at a Mo/Tu/We/Sa? Beginning 15Aug, the nonstop RDU-LAX flight will only operate on Th/Fr/Su.
257 gsoflyer : Air Canada Jazz worked before, it would be nice to see back. I disagree, yet again, with TheGreatRDU, the loads on it were fairly good before. They s
258 thegreatRDU : whaa? This route won't even make it 6 months... AC jazz LFs to medium-sized transborder markets...form late 2008 however.... AUS: 57 BDL: 67 BNA: 81
259 gsoflyer : GSO has the corporate ties. I wish I could find the numbers from the flights before Jazz canned it before. It was 3 flights per day to YYZ on a CRJ2
260 Post contains images uncGSO : I think it was 2 flights a day on CRJ. Although, it wasnt technicaly Jazz yet, as they were in full AC colors. There was a big 'to do' in GSO with Ca
261 gsoflyer : Yeah it was 2. But it was never just 1. I was just dropped altogether. But then, the loads and fares were reasonable. USA and Canada should just open
262 jetpixx : There was a Kalitta 747 parked near the UPS and FedEx ramp at RDU today. There were also military exercises going on near the Park n Ride on the north
263 Post contains links thegreatRDU : http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-bea...Overnight-Turbulence-97400024.html Airline Passengers Injured During Overnight Turbulence 2 days ago An America
264 kbpilot5 : Someones messing with it.
265 Post contains links uncGSO : more good news for GSO... http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2010/06/28/daily48.html
266 kbpilot5 : Awesome! He didn't speculate if Allegiant will be adding a flight into MCO or SFB? They also didn't mention if any of the US or DL flights will be ad
267 Post contains links uncGSO : The new GSO website is up. http://www.flyfrompti.com/ VERY disappointed. On the 'airline service' page, it says American Airlines Express. I mean cmon
268 Post contains images thegreatRDU :
269 kbpilot5 : They thankfully changed it before too long. I think the layout its better but I think they could make it look a little more formal. The Air Force One
270 jetpixx : That's a pretty awful looking website. It looks great for a re-design...in 1995.
271 Post contains images uncGSO : Evidently they did get my email, as they replied thanking me for my "suggestion" to change it to American Eagle. Gave me a great laugh.
272 eraugrad02 : US Airways is adding yet a 3rd 737-300 ILM-CLT. Mainline doesn't even start back until Sept 8th but F/C are full everyday and coach filling up fast. O
273 kbpilot5 : Starting in the fall GSO will see 2 daily mainline to ATL. An MD88 and DC9.
274 ERJ170 : EWN (Coastal Carolina Regional Airport, New Bern NC) is getting it's 4th ATL flight on Delta. 2 airlines serve the airport. Airport officials are hopi
275 kbpilot5 : This evening GSO had some diverts from CLT: B762 from PHL A319 from RDU ( thought it was funny they were going just to CLT and diverted to GSO) Dash 8
276 ERJ170 : Looks like RDU had a couple too.. US1577 from BDL (to CLT) US3699 from HPN (to CLT) UW 373 from LGA (to CLT)
277 eraugrad02 : Flight US1869 RIC-CLT (B733) just departed ILM for CLT. Desmond in ILM,[Edited 2010-07-09 20:18:30]
278 AVLAirlineFreq : Just curious...what kind of traffic does EWN see?
279 eraugrad02 : We should continue this on the new carolinas thread made yesterday... Desmond in ILM,
280 Post contains links srbmod : Turpentine & Iodine: Carolinas Thread 7 (by ERJ170 Jul 9 2010 in Civil Aviation) In the future, please alert the Moderators that a new thread has
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