ThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2297 posts, RR: 4 Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13744 times:
RDU finished 2009 without much fanfare....
More than 9.7 million passengers traveled through RDU in 2008. Down from a high
of more than 10 million in 2007, the number reflects the loss of available seats on flights
by the airlines. Many of the seats lost during the year were put in place to compete with
start-up carriers Express Jet and Midwest Connect, which ceased operations in 2008.
Even with the decline in passenger volumes, demand for air service remains strong.
Airline Passengers: 9,715,818 passengers
27,351 passengers per day
3.1 percent decline from 2007
Aircraft Operations: 229,406 takeoffs/landings
629 operations per day
(includes air carrier, general aviation
and military operations)
Air Cargo: 113.6 tons
Tons/pounds per day: 311/622,337
5.35 percent decline
GSO's 3rd runway opened *sigh*
"The $150 million runway project adds a third runway to the airport’s existing two
runways. The new runway will be parallel to the airport’s 10,000-foot existing main
runway, giving the airport additional flexibility in scheduling simultaneous parallel
operations, and providing a back-up runway when one of the main runways is out of
"The opening of the 9,000-foot runway completes an airport expansion project that dates
back to April 1998 when FedEx first announced that the express package company
would build a mid-Atlantic hub at the airport."
Typical, two threads of you moaning about GSO. Another if it isn't RDU, it isn't worth it type of poster. *sigh*
What for GSO in 2009:
-Tradewinds basically shut down, only maintenance ops out of GSO now once Caribbean Transport Services went to FedEx
-Fedex started ramping up flights
-ABX Air is ramping up cargo flights to take Tradewind's place
-Republic Airways bought the Comair Maintenance facility in GSO
-Hondajet started on their factory facility
-Fedex sorting facility opened
-Mountain Air Cargo expanded ops
-Delta and US Airways slashed Greensboro flights
-United stopped mainline service to GSO
-Greensboro lost roughly 26 daily passenger flights
Kbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13619 times:
GSO is still trying to get more funding from the FAA to build a new tower. Right now on taxiway E there is a camera for the controllers to look at while planes taxi across. Taxiway D should be completed within the next month which would make the new runway more useful to aircraft parking at Atlantic Aero. Airport directors want to build a viewing area also but have not decided on a location or a time period for it. As far as I know the Comair Maintenance Hanger still says Comair and has CRJ's over there. Is there a date they are moving out and Republic will move in?
gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13261 times:
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 5): But gso has some rare gems you know the aircraft coming in for maintenance, modifications etc.
In the past 2 weeks I spotted a Gol 738, a First Choice 763, a TUi 763, and a UA 772
I'll trade you for real airline service.... Frontier, Midwest, JetBlue, Airtrain.... anything, pick one and I'll trade you Timco.
kbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13219 times:
I agree. I will give you Timco for my pick, Jetblue. The amount of traffic GSO gets with Timco in a week is very little. Yes, occasionally there's a really neat plane here. But for the most part their tucked back in the hangar. I'd even trade it for some mainline routes.
Last I heard, the plan was for 18C/36C to undergo a rehabilitation process shortly after this new runway was opened. That process typically takes about 6-8 months and would result in 18C/36C being closed during that time. However, that information was correct as of last summer and I have not heard anything more on the issue since, so it's possible that plans maybe have changed or put on hold.
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13097 times:
Great news from AVL - 2009 traffic is up 4.1% from 2008! Got this email today:
"A big thank-you is in order from all of us at AVL to you -- the residents of Western North Carolina. Because you chose to use AVL in 2009, our passenger traffic numbers were up 4.1% over 2008!
Airport Director Lew Bleiweis had this to say: "Asheville Regional Airport is a bit of an anomalie compared to other airports its size, experiencing growth during challenging economic times, and we have the Western North Carolina community to thank for this."
From 557,927 passengers in 2008 to 580,630 in 2009, AVL saw an increase when many airports were losing traffic. Aiding in the upswing was the addition of two new carriers (AirTran and United) and three new destinations (Chicago, LaGuardia, and Orlando). Other factors in the growth include great airfares, amenities, and many of the characteristics that have long made AVL a top choice for travelers, including convenience, size, and customer service.
We appreciate and rely on your support to make air travel from Asheville more convenient and more promising than ever, and we look forward to serving you in 2010!"
thegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2297 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13057 times:
Speaking of GSO...the 3rd runway is a complete flop....no one uses it...not even Fedex...it's too long of a taxi....late at night they shut off the lights to that runway...
Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 6): I'll trade you for real airline service.... Frontier, Midwest, JetBlue, Airtrain.... anything, pick one and I'll trade you Timco.
Quoting kbpilot5 (Reply 7): I agree. I will give you Timco for my pick, Jetblue. The amount of traffic GSO gets with Timco in a week is very little. Yes, occasionally there's a really neat plane here. But for the most part their tucked back in the hangar. I'd even trade it for some mainline routes.
To me the best shot at mainline would be the reinstatement of a DL M88 from ATL..
There's Allegiant too...haha
Nice thanks...that's good stuff...MQ is leaving a void...that would've almost been a niche operation if properly done...and plenty of gates will be available at RDU....it will be ripe...that is for an operation serving the needs of the RTP community...
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6695 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12908 times:
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 14): that is for an operation serving the needs of the RTP community...
Which I would say.. would be nice if an airline like Air Wisconsin was to buy the Dash 8-400 from Lynx.. and run them as a RDU focus for Midwest or DL.. they could easily run several destinations.. including BDL, BUF, ALB, JAX, CMH, YTZ, YUL, PVD, and even BDA.. all with lower cost Dash and they would all still within the profitable range.. but alas..
thegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2297 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12902 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15): Which I would say.. would be nice if an airline like Air Wisconsin was to buy the Dash 8-400 from Lynx.. and run them as a RDU focus for Midwest or DL.. they could easily run several destinations.. including BDL, BUF, ALB, JAX, CMH, YTZ, YUL, PVD, and even BDA.. all with lower cost Dash and they would all still within the profitable range.. but alas..
The perfect scenario....RDU will pony up incentives....gates are available...and the fact that these routes are not even served...
gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12858 times:
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 10): Speaking of gso...the 3rd runway is a complete flop....no one uses it...not even Fedex...it's too long of a taxi....late at night they shut off the lights to that runway...
How old are you?
The 3rd runway was just opened. The Taxi is long and not viewable from the current tower. FedEx doesn't use it because FedEx has no hub here yet. Good God get off your freaking RDU high horse, it is getting old.
kbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12635 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 19): The DC-9-50 should be a great plane for a lot of ATL-short haul Southeast that used to see MD-80s and 737-200s - cities such as TYS, GSO, CLT, RDU, CAE, CHS, GSP, TLH, PNS, BHM, MOB, JAN, etc..
I think the DC-9-50 would be a perfect aircraft for those shorter but strong routes. The 737-800 is too big of a plane to put on that short of route. The MD80 would work again, but the DC-9-50 would be a better size and more useful for the area. I wonder what the odds of UA starting mainline back to ORD, or even DEN in the CRJ7? With MSP cut by DL I think it could work as a nice connector to cities out west. Will it happen? probably not...When they planned the new runway no one could predict the downfall in the industry and for FX to not open to full capacity so take it easy.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2838 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12625 times:
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 9): Other factors in the growth include great airfares
So, how does an airport like AVL get "great airfares", with fewer airlines (read: less competition) and roughly half the passenger volume of an airport like GSP, which is being strangled by high airfares?
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12544 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 21): So, how does an airport like AVL get "great airfares", with fewer airlines (read: less competition) and roughly half the passenger volume of an airport like GSP, which is being strangled by high airfares?
Perhaps it's the influx of new service and new airlines coming into AVL... In the past year, AVL has gotten FL, UA, and MQ, bringing in three new destinations. In addition, AVL is seeing passenger growth in a time when most airports are losing pax left and right. Airlines foresee this new service, and future new competition, and they lower fares.
I don't know if that has much to do with it at all, but it's the only thing I can think of.
GPSSPOT, I remember not long ago driving down to GSP from the AVL area routinely to catch flights with substantially lower fares. You hardly ever hear of people doing that anymore.
Any idea what has caused GSP fares to skyrocket?
"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
Probably a captive, quite active business travel sector. GSP's traffic is overwhelmingly business-oriented. If you don't want to get in your car & drive an hour or more from the GSP area to another airport, you're stuck with the sky-high fares that the lack of true, comprehensive LCC service perpetuates.
AVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 913 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12469 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 23): Probably a captive, quite active business travel sector. GSP's traffic is overwhelmingly business-oriented. If you don't want to get in your car & drive an hour or more from the GSP area to another airport, you're stuck with the sky-high fares that the lack of true, comprehensive LCC service perpetuates.
It's not unlike HSV, which is about the same size but which has the highest average fares in the nation due to the strength of its business travel segment and lack of LCC. (I have family in both GSP and HSV.) It is also squeezed between two airports with LCC service--BNA and BHM.
25 AVLAirlineFreq: As a follow up...I actually just looked up the 2009 passenger numbers for both GSP and HSV, and they are very close: 1.25 million passengers enplaned
26 GSPSPOT: Yes, I've noticed there are lots of similarities between the two as far as airport market forces and general metro area characteristics go. Both seem
27 jetpixx: I flew from RDU (my new hometown airport as of 12/08) three times in the past month, once on AA, once on DL and once on B6...I really like the new te
28 gsoflyer: Since you RDU people are always on the attack. Why do you RDU people think you deserve service to cities with very little O^D traffic (not enough to
29 gsoflyer: And you want to talk holes in service? How about no mainline service at all for an area the same size as yours with a median family income comparable
30 thegreatRDU: When the Fedex hub is complete how big is it supposed to be? (operations, facilities etc...) gsoflyer, we have more business travelers and RTP... We'
31 AVLAirlineFreq: This was posted in another thread, but I thought I would include it here. FL to expand AVL-MCO to 4x/week for the summer, and start seasonal service f
32 casInterest: Why so bitter? Half of the Catchment of GSO lives closer to RDU or CLT. Therefore GSO gets screwed. Independence, AirTran, Skybus have all tried to m
33 GSPSPOT: There are TOO many similarities between the situations that GSP and GSO find themselves in. Our fine airport facilities shouldn't have to pay the pric
34 thegreatRDU: What do you think it will take GSO to get service from any of those carriers...
35 ERJ170: OMG. Is there any other area that has these kinds of fights cause it's just getting OLD! I mean, come on. No one on this has any power in any airline
36 birdbrainz: Speaking of GSO's third runway, while driving in this morning, I saw a FedEx A310 (or possibly A300) on the taxiway parallel to the 3rd runway and som
37 jetpixx: My thoughts, exactly. I read the response and am sorry for offering my opinion. I admitted RDU is overserved a bit. I like our airport and am happy w
38 uncGSO: The new GSO runway is open and fully operational. My grandmother actually landed on it the day it opened on Jan 26th. I work at I-40 and 68 and have s
39 DeltaAVL: More fantastic news for AVL! That brings the number of new destinations this year to 5: LGA on DL DFW on MQ (*new airline) ORD on UA (*new airline) M
40 thegreatRDU: It's not used that often...actually hardly at all... Nice! so how are fares looking out of AVL?
41 GSPSPOT: Once again - nearly a mirror of what's been going on at GSP (if you adjust the date reference a bit). Despite continuing strong population growth and
42 kbpilot5: I saw this too, looked as if it was being towed. GSO really needed one LCC that doesn't serve CLT or RDU heavily. What do you think the most likely L
43 FutureFO: FL served GSO for awhile but pulled out as the landing fees became an enormous hindrance. GSO has lowered the landing fees to attract more service. Ho
44 thegreatRDU: I'm not sure about WN ever coming to GSO.....what you stated could make the case but too much would have to fall in place
45 GSPSPOT: Same would be true for WN at GSP - GSP would split the difference between ATL & CLT (close to the geographic center of the "hole" in WN's route n
46 kbpilot5: Yes, not very likely but could happen. Is the GSO Airport Authority even trying to get a LCC or more flights. Seems like all they ever worry about is
47 gsoflyer: 70 flights per day mainline plus feeder.... Yeah, and that means what exactly. Looking at O&D stats for RDU doesn't show a flight to CDG is even
48 DeltaAVL: But, if fares are better at RDU, which they are, people are going to make the hour drive to save $100+. Especially students, which makes this argumen
49 thegreatRDU: Hartford and Buffalo can see multiple regionals and they will be majority business traffic.. I'm not complaining.... Which is exactly why they will c
50 casInterest: GSO got the Fed Ex Facility, A New Runway, and a redone terminal. What pipe are you smoking from? UNCG is the equivelent of Duke NC A&T is the eq
51 kbpilot5: Wake Forest? Definitely not as big but has a strong alumni. High Point University is doing very well and has a strong potential for High Point. None
52 cessna2: WN will never serve GSO as long as the continue to ramp up service at RDU. Expect a big change in service once the new terminal opens up and CO and U
53 kbpilot5: Their gates are always full over there. Rarely ever see less then 3 planes. Next year this time when gate space is freeing up as the new terminal ope
54 Trooper508: Anyone know how to get a list of the Timco flight scheds, if there is such a thing? While it doesn't happen everyday, and it's usually only once a day
55 cessna2: Most likely LGA, BOS, MSP, MCI, possibly MKE, DET, (if they want to become competitive with DL. Once the restrictions on Love Field are lifted WN wil
56 kbpilot5: I saw in the Midwest thread that a lot of RW flying is moving to GSO. Anyone know what GSO routes will be seeing the E170? maybe more PHL, DCA, and LG
57 casInterest: Well technically there are all sorts of free gates in A already, but what they want are US Airways gates, which they will get. along with possibly co
58 thegreatRDU: That would be too much, maybe two or three more of US's gates, but if they were to get more and go up to say Continentals old gates they would of obv
59 casInterest: Very true. I kind of wonder if maybe Airtran or Jetblue might try to take over some more gates in the near future. There are currently quite a few av
60 thegreatRDU: Air Tran has me intrigued they could serve more destinations instead of ATL..