TropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12314 times:
Matt Cawby has a recent picture of an all white 767-400 at Paine Field. Does anyone know if this is the same aircraft that was originally built for the USAF but was then sold to someone in the Mideast? If it is -- why is it still there at Paine? Its all dirty and looks like it has been just sitting around in storage. We (the American taxpayers) contributed $90 million to its purchase before the USAF cancelled the order so I am a bit curious.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12136 times:
Quoting TropicBird (Thread starter): Does anyone know if this is the same aircraft that was originally built for the USAF but was then sold to someone in the Mideast? If it is -- why is it still there at Paine?
I think that's the E-10 prototype. It wasn't sold until about a year ago, right when the economy was really down the drain, so it may well be that it's waiting for its new owners to free up the cash to outfit it.
Alwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11652 times:
Interesting, I thought the 767-400 was exclusively ordered by CO and Delta.
Will this be "private jet" for the king?
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Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10981 times:
Quoting Alwaysontherun (Reply 3): Interesting, I thought the 767-400 was exclusively ordered by CO and Delta.
Those were the original customers. It popped up as the E-10 candidate because the USAF likes to convert existing commercial airframes for this type of role.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10664 times:
Quoting TropicBird (Thread starter): Matt Cawby has a recent picture of an all white 767-400 at Paine Field. Does anyone know if this is the same aircraft that was originally built for the USAF but was then sold to someone in the Mideast? If it is -- why is it still there at Paine? Its all dirty and looks like it has been just sitting around in storage.
Ascend Online has this history for A9C-HMH:
Feb 6, 2008: Retained by manufacturer for demo/development. Reg: N526BA. Owner: Boeing
March 22, 2008: Parked
January 27, 2009: Delivered - purchase of used/demo aircraft. Reg: A9C-HMH. Owner: Gov't of Bahrain
January 27, 2009: Parked
June 30, 2010 (est.): Scheduled to enter service.
C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4): the USAF likes to convert existing commercial airframes for this type of role.
Was this airplane ever owned by DL or CO?
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6219 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 6): Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4):
the USAF likes to convert existing commercial airframes for this type of role.
Was this airplane ever owned by DL or CO?
No, it was intended as the prototype for the USAF's E-10 program (to replace the 707-based E-3 AWACS), until the E-10 program was cancelled. It was built 5 or 6 years after the last airline 764 was delivered to CO in 2002.
C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5885 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): It was built 5 or 6 years after the last airline 764 was delivered to CO in 2002.
So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.
"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5860 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 8): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was built 5 or 6 years after the last airline 764 was delivered to CO in 2002.
So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.
You must have overlooked earlier replies above. It has been sold to the Government of Bahrain and is awaiting conversion to a VIP aircraft.
C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5753 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9): You must have overlooked earlier replies above. It has been sold to the Government of Bahrain and is awaiting conversion to a VIP aircraft.
Touche, thanks for the correction.
"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5608 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 10): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
You must have overlooked earlier replies above. It has been sold to the Government of Bahrain and is awaiting conversion to a VIP aircraft.
Touche, thanks for the correction.
I expect it will eventually replace Bahrain's 747SP, alongside their VIP 747-400. The 747SP is the last one built (several years after all other SPs) and the only one that was never in airline service (originally with the Abu Dhabi Amiri flight).
Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4360 times:
So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.
As far as DL goes right now they aren't buying any new (or in this case pre-owned) a/c. Instead they just plopped down quite a bit of money to upgrade their existing fleet.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4181 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12): So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.
People seem to be missing earlier replies. It has been sold, to the Bahrain government for VIP conversion.
Alwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3571 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13): People seem to be missing earlier replies. It has been sold, to the Bahrain government for VIP conversion.
Say again please Viscount724, WHO has it been sold to????????
Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 8): So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12): So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12): As far as DL goes right now they aren't buying any new (or in this case pre-owned) a/c. Instead they just plopped down quite a bit of money to upgrade their existing fleet.
Viscount724, please answer to the above: Why don´t they sell it to CO or DL?????????
(you are more patient than I am).
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Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
Quoting Alwaysontherun (Reply 14):
Viscount724, please answer to the above: Why don´t they sell it to CO or DL????????
Boeing doesn't own it. They never did. The USAF bought it, when the program was cancelled it still belonged to USAF. Boeing sold it to whoever wanted it...Bahrain wanted it, obviously CO and DL didn't (CO and DL could have ordered more 767-400ER's for several years and didn't, they obviously had no need).
To be fair to Xtoler, he was simply replying to C5LOAD's question. It just didn't appear in a quote box.
To C5LOAD: Even if (who was it again - Bahrain?) hadn't purchased the aircraft, it's not so easy as approaching existing operators in the hopes of offering a firesale bargain. Each addition/subtraction within a fleet requires very careful planning and sets off a chain of countless consequences. It would likely be more expense and hassle than it's worth for either airline.
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PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 530 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2966 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13): It has been sold, to the Bahrain government for VIP conversion.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
A9C-HMH is now parked on the west side of the Aviation Tech Services building #1. Perhaps getting its refit for the Government of Bahrain?
dlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 506 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
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I shot a photo of it on Saturday (Feb 6th) that is now in the queue. It is still registered A9C-HMH, but the engines are wrapped in plastic and it looks kinda neglected.
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