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White Tail 767-400 At Paine Field  
User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13478 times:

Matt Cawby has a recent picture of an all white 767-400 at Paine Field. Does anyone know if this is the same aircraft that was originally built for the USAF but was then sold to someone in the Mideast? If it is -- why is it still there at Paine? Its all dirty and looks like it has been just sitting around in storage. We (the American taxpayers) contributed $90 million to its purchase before the USAF cancelled the order so I am a bit curious.

http://paineairport.com/kpae2735.htm

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13300 times:



Quoting TropicBird (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if this is the same aircraft that was originally built for the USAF but was then sold to someone in the Mideast? If it is -- why is it still there at Paine?

I think that's the E-10 prototype. It wasn't sold until about a year ago, right when the economy was really down the drain, so it may well be that it's waiting for its new owners to free up the cash to outfit it.

Tom.


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

It was bought by the Bahrain Royal Flight, awaiting interior fitting out I expect.


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User currently offlineAlwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12816 times:

Interesting, I thought the 767-400 was exclusively ordered by CO and Delta.

Will this be "private jet" for the king?
Not bad, not bad………..

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12145 times:



Quoting Alwaysontherun (Reply 3):
Interesting, I thought the 767-400 was exclusively ordered by CO and Delta.

Those were the original customers. It popped up as the E-10 candidate because the USAF likes to convert existing commercial airframes for this type of role.

Tom.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11828 times:



Quoting TropicBird (Thread starter):
Matt Cawby has a recent picture of an all white 767-400 at Paine Field. Does anyone know if this is the same aircraft that was originally built for the USAF but was then sold to someone in the Mideast? If it is -- why is it still there at Paine? Its all dirty and looks like it has been just sitting around in storage.

Ascend Online has this history for A9C-HMH:
Feb 6, 2008: Retained by manufacturer for demo/development. Reg: N526BA. Owner: Boeing
March 22, 2008: Parked
January 27, 2009: Delivered - purchase of used/demo aircraft. Reg: A9C-HMH. Owner: Gov't of Bahrain
January 27, 2009: Parked
June 30, 2010 (est.): Scheduled to enter service.

So, TropicBird, I think your guess was correct!


User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7756 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4):
the USAF likes to convert existing commercial airframes for this type of role.

Was this airplane ever owned by DL or CO?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7383 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 6):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4):
the USAF likes to convert existing commercial airframes for this type of role.

Was this airplane ever owned by DL or CO?

No, it was intended as the prototype for the USAF's E-10 program (to replace the 707-based E-3 AWACS), until the E-10 program was cancelled. It was built 5 or 6 years after the last airline 764 was delivered to CO in 2002.


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User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7049 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was built 5 or 6 years after the last airline 764 was delivered to CO in 2002.

So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7024 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 8):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was built 5 or 6 years after the last airline 764 was delivered to CO in 2002.

So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.

You must have overlooked earlier replies above. It has been sold to the Government of Bahrain and is awaiting conversion to a VIP aircraft.


User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
You must have overlooked earlier replies above. It has been sold to the Government of Bahrain and is awaiting conversion to a VIP aircraft.

Touche, thanks for the correction.



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6772 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 10):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
You must have overlooked earlier replies above. It has been sold to the Government of Bahrain and is awaiting conversion to a VIP aircraft.

Touche, thanks for the correction.

I expect it will eventually replace Bahrain's 747SP, alongside their VIP 747-400. The 747SP is the last one built (several years after all other SPs) and the only one that was never in airline service (originally with the Abu Dhabi Amiri flight).


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5524 times:

So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.

As far as DL goes right now they aren't buying any new (or in this case pre-owned) a/c. Instead they just plopped down quite a bit of money to upgrade their existing fleet.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5345 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.

People seem to be missing earlier replies. It has been sold, to the Bahrain government for VIP conversion.


User currently offlineAlwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4735 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
People seem to be missing earlier replies. It has been sold, to the Bahrain government for VIP conversion.

Say again please Viscount724, WHO has it been sold to????????

Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 8):
So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
So, if Boeing owns it, and right now they have no use for it, but still paying for it then why don't they sell it to either DL or CO for a much cheaper price than when it was new. It's one more money-maker for either of the two airlines.



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
As far as DL goes right now they aren't buying any new (or in this case pre-owned) a/c. Instead they just plopped down quite a bit of money to upgrade their existing fleet.

Viscount724, please answer to the above: Why don´t they sell it to CO or DL?????????

(you are more patient than I am).

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4531 times:



Quoting Alwaysontherun (Reply 14):

Viscount724, please answer to the above: Why don´t they sell it to CO or DL????????

Boeing doesn't own it. They never did. The USAF bought it, when the program was cancelled it still belonged to USAF. Boeing sold it to whoever wanted it...Bahrain wanted it, obviously CO and DL didn't (CO and DL could have ordered more 767-400ER's for several years and didn't, they obviously had no need).

Tom.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4371 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
People seem to be missing earlier replies.

To be fair to Xtoler, he was simply replying to C5LOAD's question. It just didn't appear in a quote box.

To C5LOAD: Even if (who was it again - Bahrain?) hadn't purchased the aircraft, it's not so easy as approaching existing operators in the hopes of offering a firesale bargain. Each addition/subtraction within a fleet requires very careful planning and sets off a chain of countless consequences. It would likely be more expense and hassle than it's worth for either airline.



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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

E 'stato acquistato dal Bahrain Royal Flight

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
It has been sold, to the Bahrain government for VIP conversion.

It's good to be the King:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGAgu6zI9v0&feature=related at 3:00


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3862 times:

A9C-HMH is now parked on the west side of the Aviation Tech Services building #1. Perhaps getting its refit for the Government of Bahrain?

User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 544 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
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I shot a photo of it on Saturday (Feb 6th) that is now in the queue. It is still registered A9C-HMH, but the engines are wrapped in plastic and it looks kinda neglected.

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