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FoxNews On Airline History - So Many Mistakes!  
User currently offlineExpex From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8922 times:

FoxNews.com has put together a slide show of airline histories - it is packed with factual errors - can you find them all?

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/lei...0/02/02/shuttered-airlines?slide=1


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User currently offlineUSAir1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 71 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

1. TWA A-319
2. National 2 pictured, yet article described National 1
3. A new F9 A-319 pictured, yet they were describing the first Frontier
4. Wrong Midway... noticing a pattern here?
5. Air Florida flight 90 crash was due to the de-icing system being off not "on" as the article states.
6. I don't believe Braniff was purchased by AA outright, although AA I am sure acquired some assets.
7. Independence Air started in 1989... ya right. I am sure they were flight as ACA (right) before UA dropped the contract, possibly as far back as 89 but were not "Independence Air" until 2004. Furthermore, NW did not buy the airline and operate it, they bought the cirtificate, which CP was born out of I believe.

Very surprising to see this horrible reporting from "reputable" FoxNews. haha.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5452 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8775 times:



Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
1. TWA A-319

FWIW, I believe that's an A318, of which TWA ordered 75 I believe. Hard to imagine now.

-Dave



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

-TWA A318, ordered but never delivered (not really wrong, just awkward).

-Next slides shows National II aircraft with the story of National I

-Next slide shows Frontier II aircraft with the story of Frontier I

-Next slide shows Midway II aircraft with the story of Midway I

-Air Florida tried to buy out Western, but ended up losing out to Delta, only to file for Chapter 11 and have its assets picked up by Midway I

-Braniff wasn't purchased by American. They collapsed because of American.

-Carnival and the airline that is now Boston-Maine Airways are unaffiliated. Carnival and Pan Am II merged. Pan Am III and Boston Maine were affiliates.

-Northwest didn't exactly buy Independence Air, they bought the certificate nearly a year after the company was liquidated.

-Trump Air picture shows a picture of Donald Trump's private jet. The story is a little off. USAir bought the Shuttle operation which was, at the time, already operating as USAir shuttle, operated by a jointly owned Trump/USAir. What they are talking about though seems to be his personal private jet, though I do not think that they separated his private jet from the airline he operated.

That's 7 major mistakes and 2 minor mistakes off hand with no fact checking. I am a huge Nerd, but I am going to guess that they forced an intern to come up with something and here is what they got using Wikipedia and a couple of file photos.

[Edited 2010-02-02 21:48:32]

User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8766 times:



Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
Independence Air started in 1989... ya right. I am sure they were flight as ACA (right) before UA dropped the contract, possibly as far back as 89 but were not "Independence Air" until 2004. Furthermore, NW did not buy the airline and operate it, they bought the cirtificate, which CP was born out of I believe.

ACA also flew as Delta Connection, but they dropped the contract when Fly I bought A319s, which violated Delta's scope clause agreement.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 2):
FWIW, I believe that's an A318, of which TWA ordered 75 I believe. Hard to imagine now.

Yep. Crazy. That order was shed during their 2001 bankruptcy during the American Airlines takeover.

Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
4. Wrong Midway... noticing a pattern here?

Yeah, poor intern.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2758 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8643 times:



Quoting Expex (Thread starter):
FoxNews.com has put together a slide show of airline histories - it is packed with factual errors - can you find them all?

Nearly every programme they make is full of errors, the whole network is a joke.

I've given up on them a long time ago.

You should really watch another channel.



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4951 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8607 times:

I really can't believe that FoxNews published such an article. Did anyone take the time to review the facts? Don't they have editors? Geesh!


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5452 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8559 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 6):
I really can't believe that FoxNews published such an article.

I can't either, but only because it seems like something of little importance, and these types of articles (in any number of interests/industries) always ends up with the same challenges: How to make someone with zero knowledge or interest get it 100% (or even 50%) right?

If I can just be honest, I don't see the big deal with the pictures being of the wrong "version" of the stated airlines. Other than us, who really cares? More detailed info is less forgivable when wrong, but even then, I just have a hard time getting worked up over these things. Just my two cents.

-Dave



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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8001 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):
Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
4. Wrong Midway... noticing a pattern here?

Yeah, poor intern.

lol... you're probably right.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
I guess it earns its reputation Fox News = Faux News

I'd like you to show me any news company that has ever gotten an "entire story" right with anything having an airplane of any sort involved. My point is ALL news companies (yes, ALL) are awful when it comes to aviation.



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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

1.) Trump aircraft shown is Trump's personal aircraft complete with VP- reggie
2.) ACA started in '89, Independence was branded in '05 (or '06?)


User currently offlineTrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7962 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 10):
I'd like you to show me any news company that has ever gotten an "entire story" right with anything having an airplane of any sort involved. My point is ALL news companies (yes, ALL) are awful when it comes to aviation.

Agreed. Probably some intern whose only experience with aircraft came from flying to his/her new job. Every news organization has decided that they need to be first, regardless of the facts. Should an aviation expert looked over this before they printed it? Of course. Did they? Nope. There are far more news stories out there which have bypassed any semblance of factual than ones that ring true on the fact checker, regardless of news organization.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

In Re: Brainiff

Not only was the AA purchase incorrect, as stated. I found it weird that they referred to it as "what would become today's American Airlines". IIRC, AA only existed once, and the AA back then IS todays AA.



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User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1256 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

They also misspelled PeoplExpress, which is rather embarrassing considering they A) did it twice and B) had a photo of a plane with the correct spelling on it right next to the story.

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

What airport is the Independence Air CRJ at? (My first thought was SFO, but that's not right).


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User currently onlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7692 times:



Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
Very surprising to see this horrible reporting from "reputable" FoxNews. haha.

Please   Enough with the Fox bashing. None of the major media outlets rarely get anything aviation or airline related correct and many of the sources in the slides where noted as AP (Associated Press).

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 8):
I'd like you to show me any news company that has ever gotten an "entire story" right with anything having an airplane of any sort involved. My point is ALL news companies (yes, ALL) are awful when it comes to aviation.

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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3803 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7380 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
-Air Florida tried to buy out Western, but ended up losing out to Delta, only to file for Chapter 11 and have its assets picked up by Midway I

Not sure about Air Florida attempting to acquire Western... Midway I did, however, pick up the assets of Air Florida and even repainted some of their 737-200s in Midway colors:
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User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7303 times:



Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):

Nearly every programme they make is full of errors, the whole network is a joke.



Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):

You should really watch another channel.

Agreed. Fox targets a very specific audience who rarely care about the true facts. They regularly get away with skewing the news, and rarely get called on it.


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7262 times:

You think they could have included a slide of Republic Airlines?

User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7176 times:



Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
1. TWA A-319
2. National 2 pictured, yet article described National 1
3. A new F9 A-319 pictured, yet they were describing the first Frontier

They got their point across with National and Frontier, buying cheap stock photos from what is available is not really a factual error


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Air Florida was also awarded a MIA-LGW route, over DL. DL already had the equipment for it, plus an existing operation in LGW. Whether or not that made DL, in my eyes, a better candidate can be argued, but I always thought it was a strange award. Besides that Air Florida never used it, IIRC. I don't remember who the route eventually went to.


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User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Seriously? Fox News? That network is news satire, isn't it? It is all a comedy routine. Don't expect facts to get in the way of comedy...

User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6996 times:



Quoting USAir1 (Reply 1):
6. I don't believe Braniff was purchased by AA outright, although AA I am sure acquired some assets.



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
Braniff wasn't purchased by American. They collapsed because of American

Fox News is right when they say AA purchased Braniff.

April 1929 - Paul R. Braniff, Inc. of Oklahoma City was sold to Universal Aviation Corp. of St. Louis. In addition to airline services, Braniff operated a flight school and was the Oklahoma distributor for Travel Air.

Later in 1929 Aviation Corp. (AVCO) purchased Universal and others. Then re-named the company American Airways in 1930.

After Braniff International's 1982 shutdown, AA purchased BN gates in DFW's terminal 2W and the Cowboy reservation system.


User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

Under the statement about each airline is "Source:AP." Appears to me the bad guy here is the Associated Press. It may be on the Fox News website but its isnt their story. AP supplies stories to all the major news outlets. So for those that are beating up Fox for not checking their facts, I suggest you do the same. Am I worng here? If I am, forgive me.


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

"Air Florida was later bought by Western Airlines, and later Delta. It filed for bankruptcy in 1984."



Western never bought Air Florida, nor did Delta.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2241 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

I clicked to "Contact us" at the bottom of the page, and pointed out some of the errors. I encourage others to do the same.


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
25 Mayor : I did the same. I didn't point out the errors but told them they should do a better job checking facts.
26 Jake712 : Well, no doubt that they rushed through this one: I just did a Google image search for several of the airlines they listed, and several of the images
27 Mayor : Well, they're "sorta" right, even though that's not the Braniff that the article was talking about. AVCO also purchased DL's passenger a/c and routes
28 N7190JR : Everytime I feel like I watch any of the major cable news channels it is just a circus (with the exception of CNN most of the time). Most are strongl
29 Post contains images Airbazar : It's FoxNews It's FoxNews True, but FoxNews typicall gets everything wrong, not just aviation They are for the most part a glorified tabloid network.
30 474218 : All you Fox News bashers do know that Fox News has more than twice the audience as all the other news agencys (CNN, MSNBC,CNBC,Bloomberg) combined.
31 SPREE34 : I only saw AP on some of the pics. If one is going to quote bad data, or use bad data in an article, one is going to have to be willing to take he he
32 Porkchop : Then that is pretty sad considering how poor of a news station they are!
33 TVNWZ : And facts have nothing to do with that number. Opinion has everything to do with that number.
34 Viscount724 : I can't get the link in the original post to open (it generates a menu page that looks corrupted) so I can't tell what you are referring to, but if t
35 BNAFlyer : Very misleading statistic. Fox really is the only news network that caters to the uber-conservative leaning population. The others such as the major
36 DLX737200 : That's MCO.
37 474218 : You are absolutly correct. When you watch Fox News you know exactly which programs are opinion and which are factual news. However, when you watch CN
38 AF1624 : Careful, some might come to the conclusion that it says a lot about Americans in general. When it clearly doesn't, I'm afraid. I refuse to believe th
39 Post contains images PGNCS : I can't open the story, so I obviously can't pass judgement on the actual quality of the reporting. I think PlanesNTrians has it exactly right, thoug
40 BNAFlyer : I stand by my assertion. Fox is a very biased, right leaning network that even some very right leaning people (my family is a good example) refuse to
41 TheCommodore : All that means is that there are twice as many DUMB people out there than I thought.!
42 FlyKev : This thread has gone from a debate on airline history mistakes into a debate on politics. Please understand that politics are not allowed in the civil
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