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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15247 times:
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Welcome to the 72nd New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #71 New Zealand Aviation Thread #71 (by NZ107 Jan 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)#1 , we learnt and discussed:

- NZs catchy ads
- Updates on the new uniforms
- WLG being closed for several mornings in a row due to severe fog
- PacBlue getting an extra B738 for CNS services
- MH considering another New Zealand destination and Air Asia X considering KUL-OOL-CHC
- NZ launches its new 'Skycouch' in Y, 3-4-3 in Y and 2-2-2 in Y+ and launches its J style seat in Y+
- More B772s for NZ?
- NZ changes the timing of NZ5/6 to allow better connections
- ZK-OKC looses 12 wheels at NRT after aborted take off

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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

P&W and Royal Brunei have just signed a 3 year agreement for V2500 engine overhauls to be done in CHC. Does this mean we might start seeing BR A320s in CHC? Or do these engines get sent down to CHC via freighter?


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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15194 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
P&W and Royal Brunei have just signed a 3 year agreement for V2500 engine overhauls to be done in CHC. Does this mean we might start seeing BR A320s in CHC?

Hope to see this at CHC..perhaps a CHC-AKL tag on revenue service?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15176 times:



Quoting EDICHC (Reply 2):

Not a chance for CHC-AKL revenue service.. They'd rather fly them on a more direct routing to CHC. BWN-AKL will soon be 77W, taking over from the 763s.



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User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15168 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
P&W and Royal Brunei have just signed a 3 year agreement for V2500 engine overhauls to be done in CHC. Does this mean we might start seeing BR A320s in CHC? Or do these engines get sent down to CHC via freighter?

Almost certainly by freighter, possibly as belly cargo on SQ? Not sure whether they would fit or not. You regularly see V2500's outside NZ's cargo warehouse in CHC.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15168 times:
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Quoting EDICHC (Reply 2):

As an NZ service, cause BR can't operate domestic tag ons?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15159 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
Does this mean we might start seeing BR A320s in CHC? Or do these engines get sent down to CHC via freighter?

By freighter, like every other customer, except NZ of course. NZ engines are towed on special cradles from #1 Hgr to the CEC facility next door.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15158 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 4):


Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up. I'd assume it's cheaper to fly the engine down than send the plane down plus you still have the plane in action in Asia with different engines on.

[Edited 2010-02-03 02:51:13]


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User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14971 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
P&W and Royal Brunei have just signed a 3 year agreement for V2500 engine overhauls to be done in CHC. Does this mean we might start seeing BR A320s in CHC



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
BR

Excuse my nitpicking guys, but BR is Eva Air, BI is Royal Brunei.

Regards,
GW



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14941 times:



Quoting GarethW (Reply 8):

Haha, whoops I thought something wasn't right..



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User currently offlineGasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14913 times:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10624000

So some fun was had on a 767 yesterday.

What's the flaps-up approach speed of a 767-300?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14877 times:

Emiratse increases Tasman route seats

Ok we all knew that EK406/7 was to be changed from an A345 to 77W.. EK434/5 is going to go the same way by the end of the year apparently. I wonder if this is the step before they send another A380 down here.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14833 times:
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Air NZ have been able to finally interview staff who were gagged by the Commerce Comminsion after NZ won a court battle against the comminsion - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...staff-interviewed-after-gag-lifted

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14831 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):

The Tasman is certainly a Boeing strong hold out of AKL! Guess I've got to plan an EK A345 flight after my next night shift


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14802 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):
Emiratse increases Tasman route seats

Ok we all knew that EK406/7 was to be changed from an A345 to 77W.. EK434/5 is going to go the same way by the end of the year apparently. I wonder if this is the step before they send another A380 down here.

Excellent news. I've noticed AKL-MEL has been increasingly difficult to book on EK within say, 2 months of departure, at reasonable fares (ie. under $700 return in Y). I was wondering whether EK might switch the A380 from SYD-SKL to MEL-AKL, but I think the reason the A380 is there has more to do with the SYD-DXB leg.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25069 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14768 times:
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Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 14):
I was wondering whether EK might switch the A380 from SYD-SKL to MEL-AKL, but I think the reason the A380 is there has more to do with the SYD-DXB leg.

Wish they would switch AKL-MEL to the A380. These days, AKL-MEL is my most travelled route.  

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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14764 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
BWN-AKL will soon be 77W, taking over from the 763s.

Any idea when is that going to happen and are all the 763 flights changing to 77W? As much as I like the 763, BI's ones look very tired and are in desperate need for replacement. However, with BI, I only believe it when I see it happen.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14701 times:
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Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 14):

Interesting considering while looking for flights for next month, I've found $585 return

Another thing I found was when I was entering the departure city, WLG popped up as a departure/destination city but with no flights listed for it. I've never noticed this before, so wondering if EK is planning WLG as a future destination/codeshare route?


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14609 times:

One newsletter this week said that EK will be reducing their long range A345 flights all around the world where they can.

User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14563 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
Interesting considering while looking for flights for next month, I've found $585 return

I guess it's luck of the draw, but generally, over the past 5 months, I've found it fairly difficult.

Don't they put passengers on DJ for Oz and NZ domestic?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14504 times:
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Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 19):
Don't they put passengers on DJ for Oz and NZ domestic?

When I was booking the first EK A380 flights (which I had to cancel before paying), I got given QF domestic flights to AKL via the travel agent as she said that EK uses QF here, but I thought they used DJ for domestic here.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14414 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
When I was booking the first EK A380 flights (which I had to cancel before paying), I got given QF domestic flights to AKL via the travel agent as she said that EK uses QF here, but I thought they used DJ for domestic here.

Emirates will put you on DJ, a travel agent may try QF as they will get commission for that whereas they wont for DJ flights.


User currently offlineFlyPacificBlue From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

Any one know who owns the private Airbus - I thinks its an A319 outside Air National hangars in AKL? Couldn't get close enough to get rego.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14310 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
Guess I've got to plan an EK A345 flight after my next night shift

Yeah, I gotta plan one too..

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
Wish they would switch AKL-MEL to the A380. These days, AKL-MEL is my most travelled route

Eventually.. I'd presume that's still quite high on their agenda, once they get more planes and in long haul configs.



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User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14193 times:



Quoting FlyPacificBlue (Reply 22):
Any one know who owns the private Airbus - I thinks its an A319 outside Air National hangars in AKL? Couldn't get close enough to get rego.

Most probably the A318 carrying ACDC.


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25 NZ107 : Yep, that'd be correct. I saw the tail today as I disembarked a Q300.
26 777ER : When I saw the A318 at WLG while parked outside the Airworks hanger, it certainly looked bigger then expected. When you look at pictures of them, you
27 Post contains links UncleKoru : Found the following article regarding Pacific Wings and Invercargill. "The start-up airline hoping to fly the transtasman route to Invercargill has pu
28 Mariner : I've said it before, I'll say it again - I have no idea why Invercargill has an "international" airport. I'm all in favour of cities doing everything
29 777ER : Well with a population the size of the IVC area, I'm not really surprised - especially considering IVC only has NZ services and ZQN is also in the re
30 Post contains links 777ER : Finally the news of the B772s aborted take off has reached the media here. Tyres burst as Air NZ aborts take off - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-z
31 Post contains images GarethW : I believe that will be entirely the case when the DXB-MEL & DXB-BNE services go to 77W then presumably 388 equipment in due course. EK's scheduling w
32 Post contains links and images aerorobNZ : Yeah, I think it looks bigger/smaller from different angles. Here it is at AKL from a variety of angles.
33 NZ107 : Damn, you can post pics like this but not ones of a completely screwed engine! Oh well..
34 aerorobNZ : Yep. These are my own intellectual property, taken in my own time with my own camera. The diagnostic photos I've seen of AR & OKC are the propert
35 alangirvan : Of course, if Australia/NZ was one market, then Trans Tasman services would not be international. It could be argued that an international, or even j
36 mariner : You still couldn't fly from anywhere north of Auckland to Australia. But IVC has that lovely, long - expensive - runway that doesn't get used. marine
37 NZ1 : Typical media beat up as per usual. The tyres did not burst on takeoff, more the fusible plug melted due to the heat buildup, releasing the nitrogen
38 SunriseValley : So it was just a matter of re-inflating them and all is well....or is it? Presumably not since there was about 48-hours needed for an inspection. Wha
39 cchan : I just booked a one way PEK-AKL ticket on NZ for travel in August. For bookings through the NZ China website, the customer is required to sign a Ticke
40 NZ6 : Sounds like a few new plugs are on order plus they need to fix/find the original problem as well remember.
41 aerorobNZ : Tyres & Brakes replaced and stress examination of actual undercarriage trucks to see if no heat/structural damage - which there wasn't, that woul
42 NZ1 : You can't just replace the fusible plugs. A wheel change is required. Due to the heat, an NDT inspection was required on the axles to make sure they
43 aerorobNZ : Czech Air Force A319 2801 due AKL at 1700 for anyone interested.
44 SunriseValley : Is this an item that NZ would carry in spares or would it be held in inventory at Boeing? Seems to me the probability of needing one would be extreme
45 NZ1 : No we don't stock them. I cannot remember a time when we have ever changed one. These would be held in stock by the L/G manufacturer. Probably Messie
46 777ER : Does anyone know if NZs Y or Y+ sales/interest have lifted since the announcement of the new seats, or any word yet on how QF will handle the new desi
47 NZ107 : Well considering that they aren't on offer for sale till April, I'd say no as people who listen to the entire thing would have heard that they go on
48 HLZCPH : The orginal problem was an auto thrust setting fault? I read that somewhere! I wonder what caused that? What effect to the schedule created by the "f
49 xiaotung : The validation is handled manually in the Shanghai office. It's good to know this so I can book with confidence next time I am departing PVG. It's al
50 cchan : The efficiency is great, but that also suggests, sadly, there aren't many customers to handle at their Shanghai office. Not sure if that is a good th
51 xiaotung : I doubt many Chinese travelers purchase tickets on NZ website. The most popular card in China is China Union Pay which NZ site does not accept. Thoug
52 Post contains links 777ER : A tourist was arrested at HLZ today for making a bomb joke - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3307...st-arrested-over-airport-bomb-joke Maybe its time
53 aerokiwi : Has there been any progress on the rumoured Air Asia X flights to CHC? also, does anyone have any recent snaps of Wellington's copper balls terminal e
54 Aerohottie : Of those that sent in comments to Air NZ regarding their new Y layout, has anyone had any response?
55 gasman : Thank you for your message regarding the future seat configuration on our 777-300s and refurbished 777-200s. I am sorry to read that you find the new
56 777ER : Has any airpoints members read their new online airpoints magazine? IMHO its another good way for NZ to reach to its customers and its packed with hel
57 NZ6 : Given the level of feedback most if not all of these replies are templated. I know Air NZ had HUGE feedback. Most very popular. I've had the pleasure
58 Post contains links NZ107 : Looks like the media have just got onto this 10-abreast news. Squeeze not just cuddle class
59 gasman : Unless seeing it first hand proves that ten is in fact no more than nine, I'm going to make my judgement now. I've heard this logic before, and it do
60 aerokiwi : I agree. The Skycouches are for a select few (hehe "cuddle class") and there is a charge for it regardless. So why should everyone else have to pay t
61 NZ6 : Oh well it's that's your attitude towards new things then so be it. The only person who is going to be hurt is yourself. Perhaps hide the ego and try
62 PA515 : The 772's will receive the same interior in 2011. Thought I recognised this type of response. 'NZ6' is the old 'Ground TG992'. PA515
63 gasman : - more seats - smaller seats - more people - smaller aisles - same cabin width = product downgrade. End of falcon story.
64 kiwiandrew : While it is true that no matter how you dress it up a change from 9 abreast to 10 abreast on the same type is a drop in passenger comfort I suspect th
65 Post contains images NZ1 : The 772 will be receiving an interior upgrade to bring it into line with the 773 and 789 (when it arrives). Read into that what you will. P.S. Seem to
66 gasman : Maybe, but the 767 has that gorgeous 2-3-2 config. I have tried to point out that even if you ignore the small changes in seat width (which I don't),
67 kiwiandrew : Someone did! Remember when BY used to fly charters to AKL from the UK in 2-4-2 on a 767 ! .... and people bought tickets - for a 3 stop service in 2-
68 gasman : Yup, agreed - but do you really think it will get them a cheap fare? I don't. I would have far less of a problem with this if Air NZ had openly said
69 PA515 : Are further delays to the 789 anticipated and/or is there a possibility NZ will take later 789 delivery positions in exchange for more 777's in 2011?
70 NZ107 : If I were the management, I wouldn't sacrifice the first customer slot. It sounds so good to be the first airline to fly a particular type and allows
71 777ER : Especially with JQ/QF being another B789 customer. The QF group would love it if NZ gave up their first deliverys and certainly would do a big media
72 aerokiwi : Which competitors are all delivering, or will do, anyway, as part of regular updates to cabin service. The media? The media and aviation - are you se
73 PA515 : NZ could decide not to wait until the 2013 delivery of the first 789's for starting new routes. Additional 777's for much earlier delivery at attract
74 cchan : The sky couches don't benefit me at all, as I almost always fly solo, and I am not going to pay for 2 extra seats for lying down. I can't see people l
75 NZ6 : Interior is different to configuration. Is it? I didn't think so. Of course it's not the highlight of the package but in reverse. Would customers pay
76 mariner : Two adults - or straight couples? I asked this question in another thread, but no one seemed to know - will two blokes be able to buy the Skycouch an
77 NZdsgnr : who knows what the answer is, but my best guess is that it wouldn't be much of an issue, they are pretty open minded ie the pink flight, and it would
78 mariner : That's why I'd like to know, because someone is going to make a legal fuss if they can't. There must be some policy about it, somewhere? mariner
79 Post contains images gasman : It's all been sorted; these are going to be called the "Brokeback" seats.
80 767ER : Oh gasman that was a shocker but funny. Can you imagine a couple from Westport understanding that one?
81 NZ6 : Depends how close to your friends you are. I wouldn't buy one with my mates but that's just me. They are very "cuddly" so best suited to couples. Or
82 NZdsgnr : I think what he really means is are gay couples going to be able to buy them, not just 2 male friends...
83 Post contains images mariner : Love it. There's that word again - "couples" - LOL. I guess there is no answer here, but as a shareholder in Air NZ I'd like to know if there is any
84 Post contains images NZ6 : And why not? they can cuddle now if they like.... it's just making the cuddle more comfortable Why not? Under what grounds would someone be able to d
85 Post contains images mariner : How subtle was I? Because I have littie doubt that some people would be offended by seeing two men in some of the positions that were shown, with str
86 cchan : In other words, the comfort for couples or the kids come at the expense of solo travelers or passengers traveling together who are not couples. There
87 NZ1 : Highly unlikely. NZ1
88 alangirvan : We have been here before....the DC-10s were 8abreast in Economy when delivered and they became 9abreast. There was no a.net to discuss these things i
89 gasman : Who knows. We all would, but then we're hardly reprsentative of the travelling population at large. However having said that, the travelling public a
90 NZ6 : Gay people have the same human rights as straight people, if they want to cuddle they can. If anyone has issue with that I suggest they don't bother
91 gasman : Exactly. And I assume your question is rhetorical?[Edited 2010-02-13 18:24:23]
92 aerokiwi : Yeah but the 777 has been in service a fair while now and the 3-4-3 configuration is not yet standard. Malaysia, Thai, Korean and Singapore offer 3-3
93 LAXintl : ANZ needs to consider social and religious sensitivities in the markets its operates to and the effects such a lounger product might have. I can defin
94 Post contains images mariner : I fully agree on both counts - and I am pleased to hear you say it - but I am also fully aware that many are not quite as accepting. I also lived in
95 Post contains images pewpew320 : So basically let's segregate the "evil Homosexuals" because how dare Children see such a horrific thing like 2 adults cuddling each other? Not cool.[
96 gasman : You're right - petty as it may seem, this is going to be an issue, and Air NZ are going to have to be ready with a policy. Bizarre though, isn't it.
97 alangirvan : I said that the other airlines will make it one of the points of difference, if they have 9abreast in a 777 compared with AirNZ on a similar route. (
98 NZ6 : I think we are talking about a real minority of passengers here and for those who want to raise their kids that gay or bad/wrong or unaccetable then
99 mariner : Your think I haven't thought about it? I think you should accept that there are people who feel that way and that they travel. Based on experiences i
100 LAXintl : I'm not to sure about that especially in the US, and I suppose Asia where there are strong existing views against homosexuality. I could certainly se
101 777ER : I would be very interested to hear how the FAs will handle complaints about gays/lesbians cuddling, especially with young children near by. Why shoul
102 777ER : Only way to stop this problem before it starts, is to ban cuddling by anyone in the couch section and then no one can complain about discrimination
103 Post contains images mariner : Let's just remind everyone of one of the selling points: Cuddle - or not cuddle? Straight - okay. Two blokes - ? mariner
104 NZ6 : I would like to think they would put the complainants in their place and reminded them that they were quite within their rights to “cuddle”. I'm
105 mariner : Oh. Read the second part of post #101 - why should children be "subjected" to that. Subjected? I've no idea. On some flights I imagine none at all. B
106 koruman : I frankly don't care whether gay couples or straight couples snuggle up on a skycouch - good luck to anyone lucky enough to be in love. (It reminds me
107 Post contains images NZ2 : Gee Mariner, you aren't Brian Rudman are you? Talk about labour a point! Let it go already, I am sure that if an issue arises they will develop a pol
108 cchan : No it is not a punishment, a "punishment" implies it is an intentional action targeted at the victim, but in this case it is not. In this case, solo
109 mariner : I didn't realize I was trying to shoot it down. I'm an old Boy Scout - Be Prepared. mariner
110 gasman : Which is what I plan to do. I generally have 2 or 3 Northern Hemisphere trips a year. One I don't pay for and generally travel J. The rest I fund out
111 aerokiwi : I think you may be missing the point - see Mariner's follwoing comment... Bingo. And it only takes one outspoken passenger to kick up a fuss. A fuss
112 KiwiRob : As a father with two young boys I'd rather they weren't exposed to two men having a grope on a sky couch, I would be happy with a hetro or lesbien co
113 mariner : That is your your absolute right as a parent and really, none of my concern. I am only concerned with corporate policy, with Air NZ's ability or prep
114 777ER : Thats why I now only fly Y+ on long haul as I travel solo due to the Y conditions. My main airline of choice is NZ, but if I can't get an NZ flight t
115 ANstar : Regardless of sex OR sexuality, anyone groping on the aircraft should be told off by cabin crew. Now if it were just a gay couple lying on the sky co
116 Knid : I would counter that in J it is even more of a challenge (albeit without the invitation), last year I was on a flight when a couple in the seat in fr
117 kiwiandrew : Who is talking about groping or man on man love ? We are talking about clothed adults lying down next to each other and sleeping . The same standards
118 DavidByrne : Maybe my understanding of this is very naive and simplistic, BUT . . . New Zealand law does not allow discrimination on the basis of sexual preference
119 jamie86 : How is Pac Blue doing out of hamilton? Is there any new domestic routes in the pipeline for them? Thought i might ask some new questions as this airnz
120 KiwiRob : I meant to say I wouldn't be happy with a hetero or lesbian couple going for it either. And who is too say that they wouldn't. I don't really want my
121 LAXintl : You've got to remember that things like two men holding hands is offensive to groups of people, so them somehow laying down and cuddling in a busines
122 aerokiwi : Yes - human nature. Regardless of legality, it is more likely that a same-sex couple will draw attention and possibly casue issues with individuals/g
123 DavidByrne : That may be, but the airline still cannot treat gay couples differently from heterosexuals. So the "issues" it may raise with those who have trouble
124 NZ6 : I personally feel this topic has been done to death and it's a storm in a tea cup. Bottom line is there is nothing legally Air NZ can do to stop anyo
125 777ER : How about if two people of the same sex tried to book a seat, NZ only gives them the option of two single seats? The copper walls/roof is being insta
126 mariner : Moving on - LOL - there's another question I've asked here before but never received a reply. Does anyone know anything about Salt Air, how they're do
127 777ER : Who on earth is Salt Air? Must be a little airline based north of AKL as I've never heard of them!
128 TheCommodore : Family only section, really come on this is 2010 we are living in not the dark ages Well some people might find 2 hetrosexual people holding hands of
129 Post contains links and images mariner : Maybe there should be a different thread - North of Auckland Aviation. I guess there wouldn't be many posts, though. Pity. The bloke who runs it dese
130 Post contains images gasman : And have you considered Tasmanians, who will want to snuggle up with their sister! What then? [Edited 2010-02-14 23:31:49][Edited 2010-02-14 23:32:28
131 NZ1 : How about we start a new thread for those who want to continue the "cuddle class" debate? In my opinion this has been discussed to death, and is makin
132 NZ107 : Yeah, that is true but I think we're all waiting for some other news to come through in the NZ aviation scene. We've discussed most other things quit
133 NZ1 : Mt Cook are considering a cabin refresh on the ATR. What sort of seating etc would you like to see? NZ1
134 Post contains images NZ107 : Not skycouches I personally think the seats are fine, better than the Q300 ones as they are taller and provide better neck support. I wouldn't know w
135 TheCommodore : Quick, ring the police !!
136 777ER : Maybe NZ should set up a web-site so the flying public can have a say on things they would like to see? One thing I would like to see is Space+ seati
137 NZ107 : If that means taking a row out, I'm not sure if they'd be too keen on that. Especially as DJ and QJ still don't have the frequencies to challenge NZ.
138 777ER : Don't think NZ would need to remove a row of seats due to leg room up the front of the ATRs. Only need to give Space+ around an extea 3-4" of legroom
139 v2fix : To aid my voice to growing crys of 'Let it be' ...... I am surpised with the relaunch of the new interiors, the new uniforms, the new 773's comoing on
140 cchan : Even better if they put all the kids and crying babies at the front Y cabin, so the solo travelers can enjoy some moments of peace and quiet at the b
141 DavidByrne : I know that Skycouch has been done to death, but here's a new twist from flight comparison site Skyscanner: Unsurprisingly, most people wouldn't share
142 mariner : How about Sun Air? They're another tiny battler of an airline as well, only south of Auckland, mostly. I know there is a fair amount of helicopter tr
143 sunrisevalley : Assuming that it's destination is LAX, on a standard day +15C MTOW from 7600ft is 256t . For the ~4100nm sector the ZFW would be ~187t. Assuming a pa
144 alangirvan : Feature about the roll out of the ATR 600 in Airliner World, December 2009. So, they could refresh the cabin by using the new 600 cabin as designed b
145 aerokiwi : Ooo thanks, looking forward to it. No worries if you can't make it, just surprised there isn't any publicity around it (that I've seen). Actually hav
146 767ER : I second that also. The seating is looking tired and dated so a refresh along the A320 would be most welcome.
147 sunrisevalley : I believe NZ own 3 or 4 of the 772's. Thus after the lease returns circa 2013 2014 the type could be in the fleet for 12 or more years. But a 300-sea
148 NZ6 : How'd you work this out? That's my point. 772's are to new to go, why would we keep the 4 owned and release the rest? and the 772 is to bigger replac
149 gasman : !!!
150 Post contains links ZKNZA : There is. http://www.airnzmyvoice.co.nz/
151 Post contains links NZ1 : Not sure why the new livery was dropped. NGG has just been repainted in the current scheme, and is due to fly this Friday ex CHC Air NZ to axe jobs a
152 767ER : Great news about the livery being retained, hopefully. It has not dated in the least and still looks contemporary.
153 777ER : Yes heard of them. Saw one of their aircraft at TRG in 2008 I posted a stuff.co.nz article on it in the last thread. Yes, but that talks about your r
154 HLZCPH : This would be a great idea for the ATR's. Would save a bit of weight too, getting rid of the leather. I don't have a problem with the livery either,
155 gasman : Brilliant idea. I love that livery. They'll never do it of course.
156 NZ107 : I'd love to see the NAC livery on a 733 before the decommission them..
157 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Second that idea - I would love to see a resurrection of one of the NAC schemes - maybe the 1968 version the graced the original -219s ..... together
158 nzrich : After flying DUD-WLG-CHC all that is needed is a seat that reclines ..
159 HLZCPH : Wonder how it would look on a domestic A320? A retro livery would be visible longer that way. Hey, Isn't this better than the cuddle couch?!
160 NZ107 : Just thought about the 733 as soon they won't exist. And it's similar to what the livery went on too.
161 Post contains images gasman : Marginally. Remeniscing about liveries is still pretty sad. As if being an A-netter wasn't bad enough........... But if they did reincarnate that 196
162 alangirvan : For a 737 Retro colours would be red and yellow with NAC Wings of the Nation Title. Cabin service to be Tea/coffee/OJ and two crackers with cheese. W
163 Post contains links gasman : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...fm?c_id=7&objectid=10621921&pnum=3 This is interesting - someone else out there apart from me found 10
164 koruman : I'm sure that Air NZ will install 3-4-3 on all the 777 fleet, but I'm equally sure that it will reduce yields considerably, and end up having to be re
165 PA515 : Thanks NZ1. I noticed HKG-LHR / LHR-HKG is back to daily for July and August but wondered if the 772's are getting checks or exterior cleaning in HKG
166 KiwiRob : Now if NZ wanted people to join the mile high club this is a good idea, however NZ is a responsible company so I doubt they would want to encourage p
167 NZ107 : A velcro one sounds more feasible - you could find yourself in an emergency situation and there must be some kind of restriction/regulation regarding
168 gasman : Agree with all your post Koruman. I'm not sure it was all planned - I suspect the bean counters at ANZ simply have a tendency to get greedy, as you s
169 cchan : Thanks. Maybe more advantages to fly the 789 to RAR instead of the 772? By the time the 789 get delivered, the 763 on average will be 3 years older.
170 hornetfan : I am too, I flew to SYD on EK in a 777 with 3-4-3 and it was a terrible experience. I will never do it again and would think twice about flying with
171 PA515 : I meant privacy from other pax staring at them. Curtains would have to be secured to the cabin wall or stowed for take off and landing. PA515[Edited
172 NZ748 : IMHO the debate over seat pitch/width on 10 abreast vs 9 abreast isn't such a big deal. I'm above average height (6'1"/185cm) and of average weight 80
173 NZ748 : One mistake on the NZ 763 - seating is 7 abreast. I thought I might chuck QF in there too - they seem like right royal offenders as far as seat pitch
174 v2fix : As, what I consider to be an average height (5' 11'') /average weight (13st) male, and frequent transcontinental flyer - seat pitch is the ONLY consid
175 gasman : The reason the travelling public is OK with it is a) they're largely pretty ignorant and b) the seats are cheap. But you can bet your bottom $ that A
176 kiwiandrew : That remark could come back to haunt you as more and more 777 operators switch over - I will be astounded if in 5 years time there are any airlines f
177 DavidByrne : I thought to check whether QF was upping its service on MEL-HKG-LHR as well - and found that they are also moving from 5x weekly to daily from July.
178 unclekoru : And I see the 763 will return to AKL-CNS twice a week during winter.
179 alangirvan : It does not really spoil your story of the uncomfortable seating, but I am fairly sure United has never flown ORD-MAN, and I am fairly sure they have
180 AirCanada014 : How is NZ service to YVR from AKL? Is the load pretty good for the olympic and Xmas holidays up north for the Kiwis?
181 NZ1 : No work is done in HKG apart from normal line maintenance. Not too sure if the cleaning contract is till happening in LAX, but I can find out. NZ1
182 v2fix : I hate to admit it - but you may be right. And the flight was only 18 months ago ! The more I think about it the more it was probably AA. My sincere
183 Post contains images v2fix : Have to say that after a bit of research I have had my perception chnaged a bit. While there are a number of 10 abreast 777 operators int he Northern
184 NZ107 : If you're travelling anywhere only from AKL and stopping where the plane stops, then only 4 of the above airlines apply. None of these airlines have
185 cchan : KA does not operate 777, their fleet is comprised of 320, 321 and 333, and they don't fly to NZL. You mean KE? QF has no 777 and has indicated they h
186 v2fix : My bad - meant KE. Right - so the punt here is that NZ are banking that Joe Public does not care and will not be able to tell the difference between
187 NZ107 : Joe Public are not likely to be able to tell the difference between a 744 and a 777 with 10 abreast seating. How are they going to tell without using
188 NZ6 : These are the same people who call a 733 a "Jumbo" With the expanded Y+ section NZ wanted to add more Y seats to the aircraft, the only way of doing
189 NZ2 : I flew UA LAX to JFK last November in a 757 and it seemed like they were specifically set up for longer flights with extra leg room. Even the A319 ba
190 NZ107 : Does anyone know why there's a Great Barrier Airlines Trislander in a holding pattern over Central Auckland right now? It's done about 5 circles and I
191 Post contains links and images HLZCPH : We have some friends heading back to Denmark today, via Air NZ to NRT this morning, then Austrian to VIE, SK to CPH. Anyways came across this pic of
192 rongotai : According to the article on this in the March edition of "Australian Aviation" it is: "...to meet the demand for lower and lower economy fares and co
193 cchan : WTF? I travel AKL-Asia around 1-2 times a year. In the late 1990's a low season AKL-HKG return ticket on NZ would cost NZ$1500-1700 return most of th
194 alangirvan : The proof of the seat is in the sitting? I suppose modern seats are very carefully designed - the airlines say that for a given pitch you get more le
195 cchan : IMHO, seat width is not the main factor there, and only the aisle seat passengers would notice the difference between 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 when traffic al
196 PA515 : I have noticed the Islanders doing the same. I suspect they are a low priority for ATC when it's busy. They come in low at full throttle and at an an
197 BNE : Can you fly out to Great Barrier Island and straight back on the return flight; anyone know of the cost.
198 Post contains links PA515 : Don't see why not; check www.greatbarrierairlines.co.nz PA515
199 cchan : Done that before just to get a ride on the Trislander, but couldn't remember the cost. Not all their flights are operated by the Trislander. When pas
200 v2fix : Thanks rongotai - thats what i was looking for.
201 NZ6 : Perhaps it's the other way around. Add them if there is demand. That is the lower end for NZ, people pay it. You can get cheaper but some Kiwis don't
202 cchan : A few hundred dollars is 20-25% of the airfare, and I can see lots of Kiwis want to fly a foreign carrier to save that money. A visit to the EK check
203 777ER : That was 1990, this is 2010. Its all about the cost of inflation and the economy. The UA B752s that operate between LAX-JFK and SFO-JFK are PS (premi
204 cchan : From memory, they were still charging around $1700 for a return to Asia when the 763 were replaced by 772, so it was only around 5 years ago. Then a
205 Kaiarahi : The inflation rate 1999-2009 was 30%, so your 1999 $1500-$1700 ticket would cost $1950-$2210 in 2009 dollars. Not a WTF moment.
206 cchan : But that isn't "lower and lower" economy fares as in the article. For trans-tasman and Pacific Islands, the fares have been lower, but for long haul,
207 NZ6 : Yeah but the fact NZ have priced themselves there are have left if like that tells you they have not priced themselves out of the market. Supply and
208 pewpew320 : Isn't there an agreement between EK and DJ where on an EK ticket you can include a discounted domestic airfare in NZ on DJ?
209 sunrisevalley : This is an impression , I have no figures handy, I have flown YXU/YYZ/DTW-LAX/SFO-AKL about once every two years since 1974. I don't recollect paying
210 alangirvan : If you can hang on a bit until V Australia have a few more 77Ws, or Delta decides to give Auckland a go, it may be you see a bit more competition. If
211 airnewzealand : Auckland will become an A330/737 port only starting June/July. The proposal at the moment is.. The Evening SYD-AKL will be canned (QF49/QF40), with t
212 NZ107 : Wow, very interesting. QF will have a problem if they go with number 1 and have an a/c go tech as the 738s would probably not be big enough to handle
213 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #73 (by 777ER Feb 21 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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