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Air France Back To Bagdad  
User currently offlineCDG From France, joined Sep 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

Hi all,

A French délégation is in Bagdad to finalize the reopening of the route, Airfrance stopped serving Bagdad 20 years ago.
It also says Iraqi Aiways will reopen Bagdad-Paris.

Published in the Figaro today, sorry link in french only for the moment.

Bonjour de Paris,

CDG.

http://blog.lefigaro.fr/malbrunot/20...remier-vol-air-france-paris-b.html

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User currently offlineCX288 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13629 times:

This follows an annoucement by Lufthansa earlier in the month to start flying to Iraq again. It is planned to serve both Baghdad as well as Erbil. The latter is already being served by subsidiary Austrian Airlines from Vienna.

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...tnews%5Bday%5D=12&cHash=7a6bca8d16


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13510 times:

This is fantastic news! It is high time that travel resume and tourism be promoted. Travel is only as dangerous or as safe as you make it. I am looking forward to see the return of more Western and local carriers!  bigthumbsup 

Cheers,

007



Je l'attends pas un homme. J'apporte le parti, j'apporte le feu d'artifice.
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

France is looking to restore lucrative business ties with Iraq it had during Saddam, this is a positive sign towards Iraq's future as they can once again participate in global commerce fully.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1038 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13286 times:

I honestly would have thought there would be more interest in serving KBL, but I guessed wrong. Geeze!

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13025 times:

I'm guessing the fact that both LH and AF are re-starting services to SDA is probably also due to improved safety (I also saw a TR, where EK isn't even avoiding Iraq anymore), which makes me wonder why in all this time, KBL isn't re-started. Or is, safety wise, KBL much worse off right now than SDA?

User currently offlineMalayil From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12969 times:

Security wise I'm sure SDA is a lot safer than KBL and in general there seems to be a lot more going on in Baghdad than Kabul. There still our suicide bombings, but I think some type of semblance is returning there. As for AF, I assume these Baghdad flights will be a tag on from somewhere else maybe AMM or Damascus if AF fly there. I'm pretty sure no flight attendant wants to overnight in Baghdad.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12920 times:

Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4):
I honestly would have thought there would be more interest in serving KBL, but I guessed wrong. Geeze!

Does Afghanistan offer Oil?

[Edited 2010-02-03 11:02:19]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12839 times:



Quoting Malayil (Reply 6):
As for AF, I assume these Baghdad flights will be a tag on from somewhere else maybe AMM or Damascus if AF fly there. I'm pretty sure no flight attendant wants to overnight in Baghdad.

The LH flight will also make a stop in AMM IIRC. I don't remember if it applies to all SDA flights out of MUC and FRA, or just for the FRA flight.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12599 times:

I think that AF will likely use their A 319LR to fly CDG-BGW nonstop rather than a wide bodied aircraft.

User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2378 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12023 times:



Quoting Malayil (Reply 6):
As for AF, I assume these Baghdad flights will be a tag on from somewhere else maybe AMM or Damascus if AF fly there

Yes, they do fly to both those cities. The flight wont necessarily be a tag on. CDG-SDA-CDG is well within a 16 hour duty time. If AF decide to make it a tag on, BEY and EVN could be options as well.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2378 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11990 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
think that AF will likely use their A 319LR to fly CDG-BGW nonstop rather than a wide bodied aircraft

CDG-SDA is just under 4000km's. An A320 can operate this route with little problem. AF already send an A320 on a similar route segment to EVN, and that is just 400km's less.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2848 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11743 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
I think that AF will likely use their A 319LR to fly CDG-BGW nonstop rather than a wide bodied aircraft.

Probably throw some of those "Dedicate" aircraft on the BGW route that are accustomed to serving low-density, war-torn markets throughout Africa where about half the plane is "first class". Plenty of wealthy families, business execs, corrupt politicians, etc. to fill all those premium seats.



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11673 times:



Quoting 777way (Reply 7):

They do have natural gas.


User currently offlineFlaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11393 times:



Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 2):
Travel is only as dangerous or as safe as you make it

Oh really!!! Do you or I or anyone else have control over Islamic militants hell bent on bringing down an airliner? Baghdad is the last place I would want to fly into right now. There is no way to gurantee the safety of these aircraft as they approach the airport. Just ask the pilot of that DHL aircraft that almost got shot down on approach.



every day is a good day to fly
User currently offlineEI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10263 times:



Quoting Flaps30 (Reply 14):
Baghdad is the last place I would want to fly into right now. There is no way to gurantee the safety of these aircraft as they approach the airport.

That was over 6 years ago with a vastly different Iraqi security situation. OS have been safely serving Erbil for some time now and MEA, Gulf and Turkish have been serving Baghdad without issue.

I think its great to see developments like this, restoring another piece of normality an international connectivity after so much turmoil in Iraq.



Next Flight: BOS-SFO (B6), OAK-KOA (AK), KOA-OGG (YV), OGG-HNL (HA), HNL-ATL-BOS (DL)
User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

So many people are referring to SDA. The SDA airport code has been discontinued. Baghdad International now uses the code BGW.

User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2378 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9988 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Reply 16):
Baghdad International now uses the code BGW.

Didn't know that. Any official source on that? I thought BGW referred to all Baghdad airports.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8608 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 17):
Didn't know that. Any official source on that? I thought BGW referred to all Baghdad airports.

On the reservation systems and GDS, currently the only code being used is BGW. The airport was renamed to Baghdad International Airport (from Saddam International Airport) already in 2003.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
(I also saw a TR, where EK isn't even avoiding Iraq anymore)

Actually Iraqi airspace is used by many airlines. On my KLM flight a few days ago from Dammam (Saudi Arabia) to Amsterdam, we almost flew straight over Baghdad.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7418 times:



Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 18):
Actually Iraqi airspace is used by many airlines. On my KLM flight a few days ago from Dammam (Saudi Arabia) to Amsterdam, we almost flew straight over Baghdad.

When I flew LHR-DXB-LHR in April with VS we flew just east of Baghdad in both directions.



Next Flights: LGW-SVG (738-DY), SVG-LHR (319-BA), LHR-HKG (388-BA), HKG-SYD (333-CX), SYD-HKG (333-CX), HKG-LHR (388-BA)
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

Iraq is a JEWEL of a route.

Fares are probably extremely high and this is a high value business route.

Little by Little people from all over the world are going to Baghdad as this location is the new Moscow of the 2010's.

There are millions of people who will make small fortunes being in Iraq during the reconstruction. It is time to be there and it is going to be huge!!!


User currently offlineNitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Do commercial flights still do combat-style landings?


En Buyuk Turkiye, Baska Buyuk Yok!
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6639 times:



Quoting Flaps30 (Reply 14):
Baghdad is the last place I would want to fly into right now.

Okay, then don't fly there and that's entirely your choice! However, your fear of going anywhere is no reason to criticise/condemn anyone who does.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6565 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Reply 16):
So many people are referring to SDA. The SDA airport code has been discontinued. Baghdad International now uses the code BGW.

Then why is it still that everywhere I search, it tells me that SDA is the current airport code for Baghdad International, and that BGW is only the metro code for the city of Baghdad? Do you have a link to an official publication from the IATA that confirms what you say?


User currently offlineAirbusA3XX From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

I think this would be great for the large iraqi community we have here in the UK, 1 small hope to CDG and then a direct flight to Iraq, to see there familys. i wonder what the fares will be like though.

25 Airproxx : Glad to see this competition between LH and AF/KL. I really hope this route to be opened soon. Curious to see what metal will be sent there... Usuall
26 FRAspotter : Or you can just ask the thousands of pilots of the aircraft which have landed safely there since that incident.
27 Directorguy : Yup. That's why so many airlines are scrambling to provide service to a country-because the reconstruction industry will be huge. And a lot of it wil
28 Airproxx : Well it also depends on what other operators will send too, just like what's happening to some AF African destinations right now. PHC has been upgrad
29 AmtrakGuy : Did NWA wins the right to fly into Bagdad a few years ago?
30 Luckyone : How much of their traffic would be geared toward Americans going there for defense-related business? That could provide for some complications, if th
31 FlySSC : BGW is the code for the city of BAGHDAD (like PAR for Paris, LON for London or NYC for New York). But BGW is also the code for Baghdad Al Muthana. SD
32 Nitepilot79 : Right on! To hell with six flags or disney world. The best roller coasters are in the sky.
33 Flaps30 : I am not criticising or condemning anyone who wants to fly there. I just think people are being pretty naive to start thinking it is safe to fly into
34 Jacobin777 : I flew CDG-DXB back in 2005 and we flew basically over Baghdad as well.
35 FRAspotter : I remember reading about that a few years back but don't know if anything every came out of it. Besides I highly doubt that DL would take up the rout
36 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Any U.S. airline flying to Iraq would have a major target on its back. Supposedly DL had to quit Kenya at the last second because militants threatene
37 FlySSC : An article like the one in "le Figaro" posted in the original Topic must be taken with A LOT of precautions ... Is AF interested in returning to BGW ?
38 JFK787NYC : Ok, This is the same way people were talking about Moscow in 1992-1998 when there were thousands of businessmen killed yearly? Did we still see peopl
39 FlySSC : I don't remember bombs attacks everyday in public places, market, Hotels, in Moscow during those years ... Don't remember either planes shot down whi
40 FlySSC : I don't remember bombs attacks everyday in public places, market, Hotels, in Moscow during those years ... Don't remember either planes shot down whi
41 JFK787NYC : Ok, 1 DHL flight got hit while on approach to Baghdad International. So What? American Media? Maybe someone can tell me where US Government planes la
42 FRAspotter : Well in the past it always landed at BGW at night, unannounced and with lights out. Night vision landed them IINM....
43 Post contains images LAXorLGWonDL : I'm sure this will change over time, as it has for Baghdad! Although we were looking the other day, and there are flights from FRA-KBL via Safi Airli
44 FRAspotter : Weren't there Ariana flights out of FRA with A300s? IIRC they weren't in ariana colors but through another company...
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