PUDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20941 times:
So Boeing put out a press release about the interior of the 787 being unveiled today. There is just one picture so its hard to tell if there has been a change of some sort but the 787 interior looks like any new 767 or 777 interior. I know the windows are electronic but just looking at that picture nothing looks to dramatically different. Obviously the humidity level and cabin pressure issues aside, just the physical look of this is not that revolutionary.
The other images of the mockups look a lot different. Perhaps they just don't have shots of this but I am just wondering if they dialed down the interior from the concepts to what it actually looks like.
MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1210 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20687 times:
It's going to be most noticeable to anyone flying as the "feeling" of having more space.. especially frequent fliers who've spent countless hours crammed in older pressurized tubes. Personally I cannot wait. As a frequent flier with sinus issues, I'm most excited about the differences at flying with a lower pressurized altitude and a more humid atmosphere.
"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
I think that's because the foreground of the mockup pictures is the premium cabin, which doesn't have center overhead bins. Look into the background at the economy section, which has all the bins, and the concept looks exactly like the real thing.
I've been on both the concept and the airplane and it certainly feels far more spacious than the dimensions would suggest.
PEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19993 times:
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4): Does anyone know how these compare against the A380 windows. I found the latter to be huge.
You must be joking, right? Maybe the "inner" "fake" window looks big, but then there is the "tube" you got to look through and the outer window is small. The A380's windows are possibly the most ridicules windows, with the smallest viewing area in the current airline industrie
LH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2294 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19792 times:
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Quoting PEET7G (Reply 9): You must be joking, right? Maybe the "inner" "fake" window looks big, but then there is the "tube" you got to look through and the outer window is small. The A380's windows are possibly the most ridicules windows, with the smallest viewing area in the current airline industrie
In todays modern jetliners, nothing can beat the MD-11 windows (taken from the DC-10 and derivated from the DC-8) .. not talking about F27 or Convair windows ...
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Part147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 393 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19752 times:
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 9): The A380's windows are possibly the most ridicules windows, with the smallest viewing area in the current airline industrie
So, How many times have you flown on a 380 then? Or are YOU just joking! - I notice you just jumped in to comment on the 380 and said nothing about the 787 interior - hmmmm - a ridiculous post perhaps!?
Back to the thread though - I think the interior shown above is a bit sterile and bleached - not very inviting, but I'm sure the adaptive lighting will improve it's look.
It doesn't appear to be all that different, but then there's not much that can be done to make it truly revolutionary in a VISUAL way that's not already been done. It should have a better level of comfort and feel different from current aircraft, although seats do look a little uncomfortable!
The windows are certainly nice and big... In fact they remind me of the portholes on a ship!!! It'll be nice to see them in person ... hopefully cameras won't be banned from inside the cabin otherwise they won't do me any good!
It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5540 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19584 times:
Quoting Part147 (Reply 12): So, How many times have you flown on a 380 then? Or are YOU just joking! - I notice you just jumped in to comment on the 380 and said nothing about the 787 interior - hmmmm - a ridiculous post perhaps!?
Um, dude... the 787 windows are nearly double the surface area of the A380 windows. Don't make him/me/us dig out photos and numbers. I know it's true, so if you'd like to continue being wrong, it's your choice. Otherwise, your education is on your shoulders.
PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN ONE FEATURE: the LAVATORIES are (supposedly) going to be HUGE! HOORAY!
I'll believe it when I see it... in coach... on Continental.
Also, the entryway arch is apparently something to behold. Okay. What ever happened to the skylights at the L2/R2 doors?
Part147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 393 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19064 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13): Um, dude... the 787 windows are nearly double the surface area of the A380 windows. Don't make him/me/us dig out photos and numbers. I know it's true, so if you'd like to continue being wrong, it's your choice. Otherwise, your education is on your shoulders.
Just 'cos I'm in the mood for it, I'll 'educate' you a little...
Please feel free to re-read my post and tell me exactly what I'm wrong about? .... go on!!! I didn't mention one single thing about the size of the windows, well? No, of course I didn't ... why would I, the 787's are bigger than the 380's - that's a fact.
I posted my reply because PEET7G's overall post had a critical tone to it rather than a straightforward comparison between 380/787 window sizes - he used the words 'fake' and 'ridicules' to describe them.
And when you review his post, he was actually replying to ETinCaribe's post saying he "found the [380's windows] to be huge". That's his opinion, right or wrong so just let him have it. Don't get all upset and sweat the small stuff like that. Interestingly enough, ETinCaribe has only been on the boards for one day and has posted 3 dozen times. Take from that what you will.
I had to chortle when I read the "don't make him/me/us..." comment - very funny. Sounds like a weakly veiled 'threat' to me. Hey, if you want to do that, what's stopping you - go for it.
It's quite simple... I, like yourself, feel this way - "I think people who start Airbus versus Boeing wars are frustrating." and I posted my opinion with that in mind.
It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2142 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18861 times:
Keep in mind this interior is for testing. Think of it as generic and not the showroom best of the best version. It is to test the architecture, components, fit, sound, etc. for certification. It isn't the pimped and tricked out version designed to sell airlines on ordering the aircraft.
Those people who are looking for the conspiracy theory as to why #1 hasn't been back in the air, should look at all the cabling and complexity of the engineering stations on the King 5 video and pictures.
And lets not get into the window nonsense again ad naseum, that has been covered every which way over and over.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28475 posts, RR: 84 Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18594 times:
Interesting to see that even with heavy window tinting (no idea if that is maximum), it was very easy to see outside even from the aisle.
Based on this picture and the videos that PPG provided of the dimming process, I really think the fears that FAs will be able to turn the windows fully opaque or so dark that you will be unable to see any detail out of them will not come to pass.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15938 times:
Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 19): Other than the windows, it looks pretty much as cramped and bland as any other economy class interior on any other plane. Not that I expected anything different
You need to experience the full size thing..photos don't really do it justice. Among other thing, the headroom is quite significantly better of a wider part of the cabin, which contributes a lot to feeling more spacious.
PEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15390 times:
Quoting Part147 (Reply 12): So, How many times have you flown on a 380 then? Or are YOU just joking! - I notice you just jumped in to comment on the 380 and said nothing about the 787 interior - hmmmm
Wow, whats the anger mate? Yes, I do fly the bloody thing, in fact pretty often. I deliberately choose EK's night flight with the A380 almost every month when returning from BKK via DXB... I think I already wrote about it in an other thread, that I do so, because there is undoubtedly no quieter cabin in the sky, and EK has their newest IFE on these things with the USB and all...and getting upgrade on these flights is a real treat... so during overnight flights, when there is nothing to see outside there is nothing better than these whale-jets.
Quoting Part147 (Reply 16): I posted my reply because PEET7G's overall post had a critical tone to it rather than a straightforward comparison between 380/787 window sizes - he used the words 'fake' and 'ridicules' to describe them.
Yes It had critical tone to it, as I was one of those who believed that the A380 WILL make a big difference, and I used "fake" because putting an inner window almost double the size (ok, this is being over dramatic) of the outer window is fake play to me, and ridicules. And fake also, because for people who only see the cabin pictures it makes them believe that those windows are huge (I fell into that trap too...)
...but most importantly it is not the size of those windows that really are the problem, rather than the thick sidewall, thus forming a tube that simply forces your viewing area into a narrow tube like vision...
Quoting Part147 (Reply 16): And when you review his post, he was actually replying to ETinCaribe's post saying he "found the [380's windows] to be huge". That's his opinion, right or wrong so just let him have it. Don't get all upset and sweat the small stuff like that.
You give the freedom of opinion to one, yet whine about the opinion of another... just read your own stuff before posting...
...and for the sake of not getting kicked in the ass again by you, back to the thread:
- Although the windows of the 787 will definitely be the biggest ones in the sky, everything else I am getting skeptical about. The original offering with innovative interiors and most of all with 8 abreast seating have long gone. It now seems to morph into a more "average" setup with 9 abreast seating, that seems will be the preferred choice of most customers.
I am very excited about the 787 to enter into service, and have high hopes for the new features (large windows, large Lavs, cabin environment, etc...) but I do not dare to believe it until I see it and feel it for my self
p.s: If we keep going on with the windows size thing, there is a pretty extensive thread about the issue here, where more educated people than myself made comparisons about the size of the 787 windows to pretty much every other window in the sky
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2499 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14765 times:
I was suprised that the layout is 3-3-3...for some reason I thought it would be a 2-4-2...like the A330 and A340? Is the 3-3-3 layout considered the standard for the 787? How does the cabin width compare to the 777? I thought the 787 was supposed to be smaller than the 777, somewhere between the 767 and 777?
25 Anonms: They called the 737 version of the 787 interior the "Boeing Sky Interior". I think that's probably the name for it, then.
26 Tdscanuck: It can be done as 3-3-3 or 2-4-2...it's up to individual airlines to choose. It's smaller than the 777 and wider than the 767. The 777 can be 3-3-3 o
27 PGNCS: I've said it before and I will say it again, passenger perceptions of the interior are highly subjective. There are those of us here who would notice
28 Stitch: Well hopefully the higher atmospheric pressure and humidity levels on the 787 and A350XWB will help make the trip a bit less draining, physically...
29 United787: Thank you. Most operators use the 777 in a 2-5-2 or 3-3-3 configuration. It worries me that Boeing is showing the 787 in a 3-3-3 config., do we know
30 Jrfspa320: It seems to me that the aircraft is more economical by simply increasing the number of seats? It would be interesting how much more economical it woul
31 UnitedFA07: You truly think they won't have an override option on the FA panel to turn all the windows to a certain setting? I have a feeling you'll be wrong abo
32 Stitch: I am sure they will. I just do not believe one of those override settings will be "blank wall".
33 flybyguy: Certification kills innovation. At the end of the day those wild conceptual designs have to be crash and flammability tested then presented to the FA
34 xtoler: : the LAVATORIES are (supposedly) going to be HUGE! HOORAY! And if you see me heading to the lav with a USA Today, I may be in there a while. Huge lav
35 Viscount724: I'm pretty sure the 787 windows are smaller in area than those on the DC-10 and MD-11. I also have never noticed any relationship between the DC-10/M
36 Aeroflot001: I read a statement from Boeing I just dont remember where that this will in fact b installed and the FAs can dim the windows as they please.
37 ATLflyer: I can't understand how airlines come up with seating arrangements. For example, Emirates. Why do they have 10-abreast on their 777s and A380s in econo
38 Viscount724: Several of the (so far) few airlines with 10-abreast 77Ws are using them to replace 744s, and the only way to get the same (or almost the same) numbe
39 spacecadet: Oh I would love it if they had different lighting, I would notice that. Anything to change the ambiance of the cabin a bit. What drives me nuts is th
40 tdscanuck: I heard, months ago, that it was about a 50/50 split between 8- and 9-abreast, but I never saw any hard evidence to that effect. I'm pretty sure this
41 United1: The 787s windows are 10.7' by 18.4" The 777s are 10" by 15" 350s are 11.2' by 16.5" DC-8 are 18" by 14.5" DC-10/M11 9.8" by 15.7" 707 9" by 12.5" Com
42 PEET7G: ...perhaps the most important reason would be that the 777's width makes it possible to fit in the 17-17.5" width seats in a 10 abreast configuration
43 DocLightning: Well, it's a pressurized tube. There are only so many ways to outfit it. It needs three rows of bins. There's only so many ways to dress that up. It n
44 Kappel: Hmm... I'm glad that I can say I never had a miserable experience, either long- or short haul. I still very much enjoy each and every flight I'm on.
45 eisenbach: I am with you - when Austrian Airlines introduced their new corporate design with colourful seats and different coloured headrest covers, I was VERY
46 SpeedyGonzales: The darkest setting has been said to be 0,1% tranmission, which is plenty bright during daylight.
47 pnwtraveler: Well we could go right back to the Viscount and then we are talking large windows. Really doesn't matter though since the chances of flying on a Visc
48 JBirdAV8r: I think this was probably an intentional interior design element. Giving the impression of a larger window may have a soothing effect on the claustro
49 Viscount724: Most aircraft windows are like that. It's quite noticeable on all Airbus aircraft. Concorde had extremely small windows (probably about half the size
50 Stitch: Since the interior is there primarily to allow tests to be conducted on it, why go with something overly fancy? When it comes time to send a 787 Demon
51 ATLflyer: Very true...in one of the videos I found online they said that the arrangement was for high-density. They want to test the aircraft with the most peo
52 Viscount724: As far as I know, AC didn't change the ceiling or wall panels, or the overhead bins as part of their 763 XM changes. Larger overhead bins would be ni
53 M11Stephen: That drives me crazy too! DL has to have one of the worst interiors. Its so plain, sterile, bland, and honestly quite depressing. Airlines need to ta
54 UAEflyer: Would it be more comfort during Turbulence (Clear Air Turbulence) ??
55 golli: Here is a slide show of the whole 787, some good interior stills there: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37642405@N02/sets/72157623344200886/show/ Golli
56 tdscanuck: Yes. 787 has active gust alleviation (as does the A380). Tom.
57 PEET7G: does anyone know the parameters of those ECO seats? I was surprised how wide the aisle is with this 3-3-3 configuration! If those seats are the "norm
58 SBGLexpat: http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20070629/787windows.gif Check out window sizes... Regards.
59 golli: Exactly what I noticed to. I have a funny feeling about the seat width. Golli
60 SeaBosDca: I feel the opposite. Garish colors as in '70s interiors make me agitated. I'd much rather have the unobtrusive, neutral, cool colors when I have to s
61 PlunaCRJ: Great find. By those pictures, the separation between windows seems very big though.... it reminds me a bit of the CRJ NextGen, huge windows very far
62 SR117: Do you really think those 3-3-3 seats look wide enough for a non-average person? Judging from the pics in that presentation, it looks that anyone abo
63 ruscoe: I agree, but the 787 internal width will take the 17.2" standard seat at 9 abreast, and still have 18" aisles. Ruscoe
64 DocLightning: The nice thing about the 787's white interior is that the mood lightning can make it whatever color the operator wants. I think Airbus really did a ne
65 SR117: Certainly it doesn't sound ghastly, but I rather the manufacturer make the fuselage width so that the airlines can offer standard comfort only, if th
66 golli: The airlines are happier if the investment offers more than one choice of configuration. I believe 2-4-2 is considered "sardine class" on the 767. Go
67 tdscanuck: No airline seats (in Y) are wide enough for a non-average person. Tom.