MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10346 posts, RR: 40 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 26318 times:
I received this in my emails this morning.
Quote:
"" Le MAE par la voix de son Directeur a annoncé (en partenariat avec l'association Olympus 593) un travail technique pour aboutir à la remise en route des Olympus du Sierra Delta, avec comme but de faire rouler SD au Bourget. ""
This is an official announcement:
Translation:
The Director of the Air and Space Museum at Le Bourget near Paris has officially announced on France 5 national TV channel that technical work will be undertaken in partnership with the Olympus 593 group for the Concorde F-BTSD's Olympii engines restart in view of a rollout at Le Bourget airport.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
EGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1700 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 25706 times:
I am slightly confused by this as within the Concorde community I was under the impression that the Olympus593 group did NOT have a good reputation and that the crew that look after SD at Le Bourget did not like them... However, it seems I am wrong having now seen this from 3 different sources.
It may just be the cynical side of me but isn't it coincidence that the week a trial starts over the French Concorde crash, suddenly a French Concorde is to be powered up again?
Metroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1058 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 25428 times:
With all the recent rumours of Concorde relights and returns to the sky that never materialised... I'm staying cynical. I was too disappointed the last time...
Now for those who understand French, this is the direct link to the France 5 TV shoiw where Mr Gerard Feldzer, the Director of the Air and Space Museum at Le Bourget made the official announcement that Concorde F-BTSD will do a roll out on the tarmac at Le Bourget.
I am moving to a new place so I may not be on the forum until my internet line gets re-connected.
I will keep you all informed with the latest developments whenever. I will be following the situation very closely.
Next piece of good news - I hope - will be the QE2 to go sailing again!
[Edited 2010-02-04 08:12:02]
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
Peanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1312 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 24676 times:
I think with all sorts of moneys being wasted on this freakin planet, we should at least be able to keep one example of each aircraft type airworthy at all times. I believe it's way too costly to upstart planes that have been idle for years.
Maybe a "World Heritage" program by the UN (right ) would help fund it...
Maybe there should be a World Aviation Museum somewhere, with classics that actually fly...for joyrides. Our kids and grandkids would absolutely LOVE it.
Can I dream a bit, today?......
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Yendig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 24574 times:
Wonderful news!
The last time I saw Concorde in action was in January 2003 at LHR doing an evening departure on 27R. I was moving to Australia for a year the next day so was pleased to hear (& then see!) her thundering past my hotel, afterburners nicely lit up in the darkness and setting off several car alarms! She climbed out and went into "noise abatement" mode - it was beautiful watching the four orange circles coming from the enginges being extinguised.
If only I knew then that the global Concorde fleet would be forced into retirement while I was away....
Never say never. Concorde SD is in very good condition, her engines are still on her.
There is a very good team that is taking care of her at LBG.
If we all rally behind them and bring them our support considering that the a/c last flew in 2003 so it is not too late to envision how the engines can be restarted and a roll out achieved at LBG.
The AF Concorde engineers are still around. I am sure some of them will contribute spare time to see about re-powering the 4 Olympii on the aircraft.
There should be no partisan anything, no counrty or airline, no France or UK, no BA or AF. All of us who have travelled and worked on Concorde and all of those who have enjoyed chasing out Concorde at all the different airports world wide should join our hands and brains together and support this project.
Just imagine a Concorde SD roll out at a next Paris Air Show.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
UCLAX From United States of America, joined May 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23021 times:
Brings back good memories, not just of my lucky chance to fly her (G-BOAC) at a significant discount, but also the fact that my wife first realized how strong my aviation interest was when I recognized Concorde by the engine sounds through a thick fog in Reading on our honeymoon!
...those who wait for the Lord�s help...rise up as if they had eagles� wings Isaiah 40:31
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3586 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22902 times:
What would happen if the engineers took her to the runway and took off (breaking all kinds of rules of course)
Would it be technically possible?
Soren
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Again please read the text. There is NO question of flying the plane. You will NOT see the Concorde flying.
The project is to study a re-start of the 4 engines, to see how it can be done and to roll the aircraft on the tarmac powered by her own 4 engines. This is what their intention is. There will be Air France engineers and pilots working on this study.
Mr Feldzer's wish is that people can again hear the roar of the 4 Olympii engines and find out how it was to hear the Concordes engines while it was rolling on the tarmac.
There is absolutely no question about flying the plane Mr Feldzer said, unless somebody very very rich would come up with a said number of Millions of Euros which cost he had given in the TV show. He said that unless they can get that financing, seeing the Concorde flying again is out of the question. He did not say it was impossible, he said it was a question of financing. This is the translation of his own words during the TV show.
Edited:
I have recorded the TV show on my hard disk.
[Edited 2010-02-04 10:23:19]
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3350 posts, RR: 30 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22534 times:
While flying is not an option alone from a certification point of view, what would actually happen if someone tried, if he simply replaced all flouids, powered up the plane and off he went?
What parts would likely fail if someone tried that?
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7501 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22407 times:
Don't forget, a Russian Tu-144 flew long after the type was withdrawn from service. That strikes me as more unlikely than a Concorde doing all kinds of new flying. And it actually happened.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12735 posts, RR: 80 Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 21995 times:
Quoting DJMEL (Reply 5): Fabulous News - Concorde MAY yet fly again - True Beauty, Elegrance and Grace MAY return to the skies.
As stated, firing up the engines is a world away from getting a certificate to fly.
And that will cost, trust me, a huge pile of money and a mountain of technical work.
Flighty, the TU-144 had sponsors in the shape of Boeing and NASA, who wanted some basic research for their High Speed Civil Transport studies, which itself was cancelled in December 1998.
They might have asked the Concorde folks, but at that time, the only ones flyable were busy earning their keep with AF and BA, (we at BA certainly could not have spared one), plus there may have been issues with the descendants of Concorde's manufacturers, with an essentially competitor company involved - even if had any new SST programme ever started, it almost certainly would have been a joint European/US/Japanese effort.
Rbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 576 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 21620 times:
If those engineers have any kind of aviation spirit, they'll firewall the throttles and try to rotate her.......
25 DID747: nothing is sure, like you I was in front my TV yesterday evening Madame Concorde, will you pay for the restart engines?
26 Revo1059: If that actually happened heads would roll. Somebody would probably do jail time.
27 Birdwatching: Might be worth it though. Think about it. If youwere a mechanic and had the opportunity to make it on the front pages around the world... wouldn't yo
28 Silentbob: Thats excellent news I'd say, hope this goes ahead. That seems like a huge waste of time and effort just to make noise. If you aren't going to put it
29 FlySSC: Gérard Feltzer confirmed indeed that F-BTSD engines will restart and that the aircraft will be rolling on the taxiways at LBG. He also confirmed that
31 Peanuts: I'm still dreamy today... Could an Airplane Theme Park work anywhere? Maybe a Saudi/Emirate Oil "nephew", crazy about airplanes, could find a few old
32 Kit777: I thought that the hydraulic fluids were drained on all the Concorde, and I was also of an understanding that once hydraulic fluid is drained it isn't
33 FlySSC: Not on F-BTSD & F-BVFC (in TLS). They are both "intact" and maintained correctly. I don't know about BA's birds.
34 Bralo20: If I would be the winner of Euromillions tommorow I wouldn't have to think for a second to donate 10 millions for a flying Concorde...
35 chrisjw: I have only heard the Concorde once and that was at LHR. Man that thing was loud. What if someone had said that to the Wright brothers?
36 cpd: Don't know if all the BA ones were drained either. But even if they weren't, the electrical systems were said to have been decommissioned - so they w
37 GDB: Don't want to be a party poo-per or a denier of dreams, though for that latter I'll have to be, flying ain't gonna happen. Even if the huge (and huge
38 motopolitico: I was at a dinghy race at Datchet Water, and got to see Concorde fly over us and Windsor Castle. Absolutely iconic.
39 BlackProjects: F-BTSD will not be a Hard machine to re-activate to taxi ing configuration as a Team have been Looking after SD at lebourget Exercising the Nose and o
40 cpd: MEQN has long since gone -- if I remember right. Their site is no longer online, and I've heard nothing much from Mr. Touzeau in a long while. In fac
41 MD80fanatic: If she's not gonna fly, leave her be. A waste of serious money to run the engines without "using" them for flight. Why bother keeping one or two plane
42 jawed: Yes, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be worth it If I was that pilot, I wouldn't mind going to jail for flying the Concorde one more time
43 SSTsomeday: I don't mean to be pie-in-the-sky... and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I understood that the biggest part of the expense to keep the bir
44 AirlineCritic: If someone was left If they took off without proper maintenance and check of everything, they would likely end up in Gonesse. But if the plane was in
45 GDB: It's much more than just the engines, trust me. The aircraft had a complex (a hybrid FBW/conventional) flight control system, it used a unique type o
46 BlackProjects: The Hydraulic Fluid is now only used by the Military it can be made but will cost quite a bit to make. The Support network is gone and a lot of the To
47 jayeshrulz: Technically possible. But i guess the engineers wont be qualified to take her off and possibly we will see another AF crash which i am sure you would
48 mirrodie: Pretty funny. Reminds me of a giclee that hangs in my daughters room: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/mirrodie/babyroom.jpg I love it but the
49 GDB: Nearly Mirrodie, a Handley Page Victor; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3HaeYVlBw8 But worth noting that the wonderful old bird, with it's Crescent sh
50 cpd: In the dark of night, curious and strange people from the Concorde shall not fly and associated nay-sayers society and will secretly disable the plan
51 EGTESkyGod: Not quite, Chris... Concorde is one of the most complex types there has ever been, certainly in the passenger plane category. I see the similarities
52 Pellegrine: An amazing thing. I would give anything or any amount of money simply to see this thing taxy past me. Even more to ride on it around an airport. The
53 mirrodie: Precisely! Which is why if Concorde were to go through the same motion in the video, its highly unlikely it would have ended up unscathed as that Vic
54 cpd: I'm frankly amazed at that (was then, and still am). I'm absolutely surprised that the health and safety people didn't put a stop to that completely.
55 Pellegrine: Dreamkillers, kill my dreams why don't you. If only Concorde flew another 5 years, I was too young in 2003... If there were to be say a new SST busin
56 CYSAFAN: So I am sure it will be British Airways 's turn to bring Concorde back into service... So they don't disgrace themselves lol!
57 CYSAFAN: I am also sure that the restored Concorde will have to set up a new standard by introducing Lie-flat beds lol! But at least the Concorde restoration t
58 MadameConcorde: FC in Toulouse is far from being "intact". She is most sadly hit by corrosion in several places in her structure. I will have to seach for recent pic
59 cpd: Take a look at the top row of the engine instruments (below the thrust reverse / go lights): http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...atiale-BAC-Concor
60 EGTESkyGod: You're absolutely right... my point is do the team trying to undertake this task realise which engines though? I'm sure they do, it's just a point I'
61 Babybus: Will it be moving under its own power? Someone needs to get down there and record that sound before it's gone forever.
62 Kit777: Hi, I think you are right about the fact it was 747, but I think the incident you are referring to involved a Saudi Airlines 743 being taxied by MX c
63 EGTESkyGod: That's the one... Saudi... Not Korean. Was searching for my photo of it but couldn't find it. Thank you.
64 MadameConcorde: Yes, this is what the plans are that SD will be doing rollouts powered by her 4 Olympii 593s. We must all be supportive of LBG Air Museum with their
65 Andz: Please, this is as silly as Airbii. Especially as in this sentence there is no need for any plural of Olympus. On a slightly related but off topic no
66 henry71: somebody should contact RED BULL ! Mr. Mateschitz would be able to get this wonderful bird back in the sky!! just another classic aircraft in his flee
67 PITA333: Thats an awesome poster! Any idea where one could find one like it?
68 Pellegrine: That's beautiful. And a giclee print no less? The quote annoys me too though. Very nice. I want one too.
69 EGTESkyGod: Given the links this actual airframe had with another drinks company, I don't think so...! ÃÂ http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-F...tish-Aerosp
70 MadameConcorde: Your best bet would be to look on ebay (worldwide) all these things come about every once in a while. There used to ba a craze with sky high prices a
71 GDB: I do understand these feelings, what can I say apart that it was always a finite operation. If you'd have asked me about 10 years ago, after I'd been
72 Musang: The inevitable inquiry concluded that flight had not been intended, so no breach of any rules was planned, and there was no prosecution. The authorit
73 CatIII: A bit off topic, but there used to be a great billboard at the end of the Midtown tunnel in Manhattan, touting BA's record setting time on Concorde be
74 SSTsomeday: Yeah at the time of her grounding I had about 120,000 Sky miles (DL). It required 200,000 to fly her between JFK and Paris, and I was saving up... Bu
75 FlySSC: That "Ad" was removed quite a longtime ago : a large picture of Concorde on take off and the record time JFK-LHR : 2h 52mn 59'
76 madameconcorde: I have just noticed this post on the ConcordeSST forum. Quote: Mr Feldzer will not be longer the executive director of the Museum of Le Bourget in a f
77 EGTESkyGod: As a member of both SST and Save Concorde Group forums, I hear the arguments from each side... So ultimately the decision rests with whoever comes in
78 MadameConcorde: No one can say anything for sure. Mr Feldzer could be re-instated for another term, which I hope, but also someone totally different with different i
79 EGTESkyGod: That's an interesting point you make... if the French military own them would they even bother to look for sponsors? Or would it just come out of the
80 MadameConcorde: Again - i suppose - that if the project goes along - which I hope it will - it is the government via the Ministry of Defense and the Museum at LBG th
81 jayeshrulz: Did it come out? When is it gonna restart?I'm waiting for the pics here.
82 cpd: I hope the brake fans are working well then. No, not yet. It'll take a while yet. Don't worry - you'll get pics, I'll make sure of that.
83 SSTsomeday: If it's impossible for Concorde to fly again because of lack of infrastructure support and funding, then what is the purpose of this exercise? To rais
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