Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6134 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7482 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2297 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7349 times:
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7353 times:
Where is all of this capacity for new flights from DTW and MSP coming from??? Is there some major reduction in RJ flying from CVG that we don't know about yet?
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7233 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2): Where is all of this capacity for new flights from DTW and MSP coming from??? Is there some major reduction in RJ flying from CVG that we don't know about yet?
With the cross-utilization of aircraft Delta has at their disposal now, they are able to run more flights with the same amount of aircraft efficiently. I think we will continue to see more changes for the good here soon from them.
Jetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2903 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7171 times:
Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3): With the cross-utilization of aircraft Delta has at their disposal now, they are able to run more flights with the same amount of aircraft efficiently. I think we will continue to see more changes for the good here soon from them.
A lot of aircraft had been pulled down over the winter for mods and paint. Some deactivated aircraft are starting to re-activated as well.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7140 times:
Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Where is all of this capacity for new flights from DTW and MSP coming from??? Is there some major reduction in RJ flying from CVG that we don't know about yet?
With the cross-utilization of aircraft Delta has at their disposal now, they are able to run more flights with the same amount of aircraft efficiently. I think we will continue to see more changes for the good here soon from them.
A lot of this comes from increased efficiency in fleet utilization, but we have seen capacity at CVG go down without it increasing commensurately anywhere else... so some of it appears to be going to NW's old midwest twin hubs at MSP and DTW.
Hopefully they will thin out their like 400 strong RJ fleet and upgauge some of this traffic to mainline (w/ fewer frequencies) on routes that can support it.
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
I know, but not in OAG yet. They will probably be loaded next week.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2): Where is all of this capacity for new flights from DTW and MSP coming from??? Is there some major reduction in RJ flying from CVG that we don't know about yet?
Very astute observation. I had the same thought. Here is my opinion. I think this is the capacity that was supposed to go to LGA, but with that delayed they stuck it in these other markets (I think it originally came from CVG). BTW, didn't US just say a week ago that they expected the DOT/DOJ to rule on the slot transfer by the end of January? Guess that didn't happen! LOL
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7046 times:
Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4): A lot of aircraft had been pulled down over the winter for mods and paint. Some deactivated aircraft are starting to re-activated as well.
I did forget about that! When do the CR7s go in for their mods and paint? Could some of the changes like FNT and GRR (mentioned in another thread) to DC9-50s on the ATL routes be because CR7s are going into the shop?
Joeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 872 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6899 times:
OMA-DTW goes from 4x to 5x starting sometime too. Always been 4x and now showing up as 5x in June.
This route has fluctuated between 1x CRJ to as many as 5x CRJ/CR7 over the past 5 to 10 years. It's so unpredictable that a friend of mine the flies that route often avoids Delta for that reason because flights that were pre-booked several months in advance kept changing times drastically. He now flies United instead through DEN. If Delta wants this to work long term, they need to keep at least 2x daily at all times. 1x daily just doesn't work for business travelers and the constant fluctuation is killing the route.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6134 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6870 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Reply 8): This route has fluctuated between 1x CRJ to as many as 5x CRJ/CR7 over the past 5 to 10 years. It's so unpredictable that a friend of mine the flies that route often avoids Delta for that reason because flights that were pre-booked several months in advance kept changing times drastically. He now flies United instead through DEN. If Delta wants this to work long term, they need to keep at least 2x daily at all times. 1x daily just doesn't work for business travelers and the constant fluctuation is killing the route.
Can't disagree with that. It shouldn't really be a seasonal route. There are a lot of routes with crazy fluctuations, though. A few weeks of reading my threads will show you that!
Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4): A lot of aircraft had been pulled down over the winter for mods and paint. Some deactivated aircraft are starting to re-activated as well.
That makes some sense, but it's hard to believe the painting is done already for the whole fleet?
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6816 times:
KGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3650 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6774 times:
I agree that's an uncomfortably long flight on one of ZK's B1900D planes.
A Lynx Q400 might be a better choice of aircraft.
Billings is an interesting town -- filled with some people who have never flown anywhere *ever* and snowbirds who regularly travel to Hawaii (or PHX or SAN) every few weeks during the winter.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 6): I think this is the capacity that was supposed to go to LGA, but with that delayed they stuck it in these other markets (I think it originally came from CVG). BTW, didn't US just say a week ago that they expected the DOT/DOJ to rule on the slot transfer by the end of January? Guess that didn't happen! LOL
It seems like both DL and US thought the deal would get rubber-stamped and are now surprised that it did not. I don't understand why that is.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6134 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6540 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10): I'm sure this will expand at least through Aug since it's their high season for flights to the beach and such..
It was already 3 later in the year, they started the 3rd trip earlier per this week's filing.
Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 11): I agree that's an uncomfortably long flight on one of ZK's B1900D planes.
I didn't even know they were flying that. I wonder if that's a mistake. I know they have flown it as a cargo flight for Fedex or UPS or something. Maybe they misfiled it.
F9 already flies it. Not sure if it is Lynx or RJs.
Quoting Peanuts (Reply 12): Didn't DL fly more Florida -LAS routes in the 90's?
Absolutely. WN flies it non-stop. I think that's it now. Vegas isn't as unprofitable as people think.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13): It seems like both DL and US thought the deal would get rubber-stamped and are now surprised that it did not. I don't understand why that is.
Either the other airlines are complaining behind the scenes or Obama is going to be serious about anti-trust. It's probably the former. I don't like the transaction very much given that they are slotted airports. Otherwise I wouldn't care.
AmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
Could someone tell me if NW used to have at least 5x a day? I am surprised this is being 3x a day.
I saw Delta timetable, I noticed DL will fly MEM-BWI 3x a day (each bank @ MEM) -- NW was doing only one flight a day (I think Morning to MEM and evening flight to BWI). Am I correct? I can't remember if this was mentioned in weekly OAG Changes Report.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6134 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6295 times:
Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 15): Could someone tell me if NW used to have at least 5x a day? I am surprised this is being 3x a day.
I don't know specifically, but in general NW really reduced frequency to big cities and went with huge aircraft instead. So, it would make sense that they had at least 4 in the past. Don't know about 5. They may have added that because they fear WN will announce it.
Flyusairways From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 176 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6278 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 14): I wonder if that's a mistake. I know they have flown it as a cargo flight for Fedex or UPS or something. Maybe they misfiled it.
It is bookable on ZK's website as: ZK-5144, Dep DEN 4:15p, Arr BIL 6:10p
That is a long flight on a B1900D with 19 seats and no lav.
BTW, where is ZK flying its E120s to these days?
All nonstop flights are direct, but not all direct flights are nonstop!
MtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2121 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6180 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 14): Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 11):
I agree that's an uncomfortably long flight on one of ZK's B1900D planes.
I didn't even know they were flying that. I wonder if that's a mistake. I know they have flown it as a cargo flight for Fedex or UPS or something. Maybe they misfiled it.
It just started very recently the nonstop. IIRC now its a LWT-BIL-DEN. They seem to reshuffle the intra-MT routes as well.
Quoting Flyusairways (Reply 17): BTW, where is ZK flying its E120s to these days?
It seems to Williston,ND; Sidney,MT to DEN and sometimes a rotation to CYS (for MX I guess). They don't seem to hit any other places anymore.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6108 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 14): Either the other airlines are complaining behind the scenes or Obama is going to be serious about anti-trust. It's probably the former.
But either way, it should not have been a surprise.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19): But either way, it should not have been a surprise.
Maybe. It's taking a lot longer than similar things have taken before. I think they are surprised. As I said I don't like the deal. What is really surprising is that the other airlines are not publicly complaining. The only people complaining are the US pilots. LOL
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 20): Maybe. It's taking a lot longer than similar things have taken before.
What's similar? The last deal that would have had this much effect on the competitive dynamic in either New York or D.C. was UA/US, and we know how that turned out.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5830 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 20): Maybe. It's taking a lot longer than similar things have taken before.
Not really. Neither DL nor US expected a decision before January. In the earnings calls, both indicated they expected to hear this month and DL would implement new schedules in June.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5699 times:
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5611 times:
Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 15):
Could someone tell me if NW used to have at least 5x a day? I am surprised this is being 3x a day.
I saw Delta timetable, I noticed DL will fly MEM-BWI 3x a day (each bank @ MEM) -- NW was doing only one flight a day (I think Morning to MEM and evening flight to BWI). Am I correct? I can't remember if this was mentioned in weekly OAG Changes Report.
Thanks in advance.
Yes, NW indeed had MSP-BWI 5x daily in the past, at one time with 3 757s. NW has cut a lot of MSP traffic in the last five years (DTW as well), predominantly MSP to places like RIC, CHS, etc and cities on the east coast where there have cut capacity and frequency.
Jeremy
25 USAirALB: ????????????????? UA seems to be doing well on the route, adding flights in Feburary too. Glad UA is doing better than AA.
26 FL787: US has never ended PIT-STL/BDL/RDU because Trans States agreed to fly them as pro-rate. These routes are the only three routes AX still has that aren
27 KcrwFlyer: US still flies to PIT??? I think the fact that they're doing CAK-MKE has more bearing on the route than the time they're flying it.
28 FL787: Well not having many connecting opportunities definitely doesn't help. I wonder how much longer it will last. OMA and DSM already look better than CA
30 Atlwest1: They actually arent to to bad. I just wish They would advertise the route more something like OO/FL working together for you. Something smaltzy like
31 FL787: I don't know a lot about advance bookings but they seem normal. Besides CAK all the CRJ flights look similar departing MKE: decent in the morning, ve
32 Jetmatt777: Glad to see SLC-OKC bumping up to 3x daily now, beginning April.
33 MAH4546: In something that I think is kind of interesting, American Eagle will be replacing an ATR-72 with an ERJ-145 on one of the daily MIA-RSW flights. That
34 Cubsrule: I wonder whether part of the issue is that they need the AT7 elsewhere; RSW is a route that isn't going to take a ton of bags or cargo, so it should
35 SurfandSnow: That is surprising. But in all honesty, most other airlines would have little to gain from getting any of the slots as they continue to focus on cons
36 Cubsrule: WN is certainly interested, and I suspect FL and B6 (DCA only) are too.
37 MAH4546: IMO, the deal sucks for US Airways. And the value of the Nartia authority is just about eliminated with pending Open Skies; and it does not look like
38 Cubsrule: It depends how they were doing at LGA, I think. If they were bleeding money, it makes sense for them to get something of value while extricating them
39 yeogeo: Currently ORD-IAD: A-319,320's and B-777/767's. period. yeo
41 deltaL1011man: read below. Delta ha been saying they expect it to be done in Feb, At least thats what was said in the Q3, Investor day and Q4 call. As for the capac
42 PSU.DTW.SCE: Bingo. Most of the additional DTW and MSP flying is due to traditional seasonal changes. This is from increased utilization of the the regional fleet
43 PlanesNTrains: I think he means "ORD now sees a lot of UAX FROM LGA, and I don't think there is even mainline FROM LGA to IAD anymore." -Dave
44 DLHFLYER: Hello Delta. What's with all these increases? You think a merger would bring reductions. Now some of these may seasonal implements but it is a lot non
45 MAH4546: There is no value to the slots under the proposed Open Skies. The U.S. DOT pretty much has the authority to strip carriers of slots to give them to n
46 FlyDreamliner: DL has a HUGE fleet of RJs. They are working on cutting them down, but it doesn't happen overnight. We are seeing increases in frequency, but we migh
47 enilria: As you well know everybody and their brother was complaining about that deal. Nobody is doing that this time (even though the cries should be even lo
48 FlyPNS1: April implementation was contingent on being approved in January. Given the nature of this deal and the slow nature of government, I'm not surprised
49 deltaL1011man: Yes and no. I'm saying they have planes sitting, but not because they are waiting to put them into NYC but just because they pulled down the number o
50 Jetlanta: In fact, it is extra complicated because it needs approval from DOT, DOJ and FAA (due to slots). Plus they have issues to work out with PANYNJ regard
51 Cubsrule: It's not going to get done in February. I don't think either CO/FL or UA/US is a great analog; I think it's somewhere in the middle. The public oppos
52 enilria: OK, but that's proof they expected approval earlier. True. UA/US you mean. I think it's worse than UA/US since that was domination across two airport
53 MAH4546: No, US is not stupid. There was value when the deal was made. Open Skies, which gives DOT the authority to allocate U.S.-Japan slots, eliminates that
54 Cubsrule: It's possible that as AA cuts back at STL, they are looking to pick up on some of the traffic to the likes of BDL and BOS. PIT is far an away the eas
55 JBAirwaysFan: IIRC, this flight has not been flown using DL metal since Song, though the plane was in Song colors.
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