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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Does anyone believe that there is a market for MIA-Asia?

Maybe American Airlines can do a MIA-HKG flight? Or maybe Cathay Pacific HKG-MIA?

Is there a market to connect Asian passengers between Asia and Central and South America?

I believe there is a big a gap between these routes and Miami is a big enough market and connection point?

Any Thoughts?

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4720 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Maybe American Airlines can do a MIA-HKG flight? Or maybe Cathay Pacific HKG-MIA?

That will never happen unless it were a through flight on a (for example) HKG-ORD-MIA or HKG-YYZ-MIA. No way MIA could support a nonstop flight to HKG.

If MIA could support a destination to Asia, I think only NRT would be viable with JL connections or KE to ICN. Other than that MIA cant support Asia.



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4718 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Maybe American Airlines can do a MIA-HKG flight? Or maybe Cathay Pacific HKG-MIA?

Well, at 7812nm, they'll need to buy new equipment for it.

JL and KE to GRU probably takes a lot of the demand to Latin America - if they still operate these flights - as well as connections via LAX and JFK.


User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Does anyone believe that there is a market for MIA-Asia?

What would drive this market?



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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4597 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 3):
Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Does anyone believe that there is a market for MIA-Asia?

What would drive this market

Are there not business people in Miami? It is a Latin American Financial HotSpot I thought.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17787 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4596 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Does anyone believe that there is a market for MIA-Asia?

I think AA could make a decent go at NRT with the 787 and JL on the other end, otherwise it'll be tough. The biggest market for MIA in Asia is MNL, but that's out of the question.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

If they keep a huge Latin American connecting hub in MIA and the JL connecting hub at NRT, then a non-stop could make some sense.

The argument against it has always been that the O/D out of MIA was not so great as to justify a flight and the largest connecting destinations in Latin America ex MIA were all served out of either JFK, ORD, or DFW, which all could connect pax onward to NRT just as well.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4546 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 4):
Are there not business people in Miami? It is a Latin American Financial HotSpot I thought.

Miami is a financial city, but most of the traffic is to Latin American and Southern Europe. Miami has few financial ties with Hong Kong or anywhere in the far east for that matter.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
I think AA could make a decent go at NRT with the 787 and JL on the other end, otherwise it'll be tough. The biggest market for MIA in Asia is MNL, but that's out of the question.

Exactly my thought. If AA and JL stay partners, a 787 to NRT would be a good fit for the market.

Miami's largest Asian ethnic group is Filipino. Even then its still not that substantial. Its not small, but not huge either. Certainly not enough to drive a flight.



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User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4520 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 4):
Are there not business people in Miami? It is a Latin American Financial HotSpot I thought.

There are plenty of business people around the world, but they do not connect randomly. What is the level of investments and corporate exchanges between MIA and Asia? Are there any major Asian businesses in MIA, and are there any MIA-based businesses in Asia, for one? Is there a substantial Asian market in MIA's tourism or cruise industry?

As far as I see, even NRT is not a viable route, much less HKG.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):

Miami is a financial city, but most of the traffic is to Latin American and Southern Europe. Miami has few financial ties with Hong Kong or anywhere in the far east for that matter.

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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

When AA has a decent amount of 787s MIA-NRT will happen. It is bound to happen at some point at least a trial. Even though Miami is not a large place for busisness in Asia it is still a large financial centre at deserves a flight to NRT and I do not think AA will have too much trouble filling a 787 we are not talking about a 744 or A380 here.

Many Asian Cargo airlines fly to MIA. I know thats a different game but still there is some demand to Asia and the 787 is the plane that will make it happen.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4448 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 8):
Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 4):
Are there not business people in Miami? It is a Latin American Financial HotSpot I thought.

There are plenty of business people around the world, but they do not connect randomly. What is the level of investments and corporate exchanges between MIA and Asia? Are there any major Asian businesses in MIA, and are there any MIA-based businesses in Asia, for one? Is there a substantial Asian market in MIA's tourism or cruise industry?

As far as I see, even NRT is not a viable route, much less HKG.

You would have to assume that most Asians would prefer a trip to Hawaii as their tropic choice for America.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4406 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
I think AA could make a decent go at NRT with the 787 and JL on the other end, otherwise it'll be tough. The biggest market for MIA in Asia is MNL, but that's out of the question.

Isn't JL leaving OneWorld for Skyteam?

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 9):
When AA has a decent amount of 787s MIA-NRT will happen.

The 787 is not the holy grail. For starters I doubt the 788 could do MIA-NRT without significant payload restrictions. MIA may not be high but it is hot and humid. So that leaves you the 789 and for that you need quite a sizable market.
My best bet for Asia service from MIA would be DXB. That is, if EK doesnt jump on it first.


User currently offlineSANAV8R From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4371 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Is there a market to connect Asian passengers between Asia and Central and South America?

Yes, but not through MIA. The markets that most Asia-South America traffic is going to places such as Mexico, Brazil, Peru and for example from NRT one can fly from a point in Asia to NRT and then via DFW on AA or IAH on CO or even TIJ with AM and onwards into the continent. If there was any MIA-Asia it would be Ultra-long haul and probably the carriers would offer premium only service (like SQ does with its SIN-EWR) service and not attract general traffic.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 10):
You would have to assume that most Asians would prefer a trip to Hawaii as their tropic choice for America.

Or for that matter Guam.


User currently offlineVZLA787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

I would love the option of flying MIA-Asia. I have to travel no less than six times a year to Asia, and always connect through ORD, LAX or DFW in AA/CX/JL. To have direct service from MIA would be wonderful news.

On another note, lots of people from the Caribbean and Northern South America fly to Asia through Europe, since there's no need to go through customs and immigration like here in the US, which could easily add two to three hours to your connection; there's also only one connection, whereas connecting in the US would be two at least.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

MIA-Asia (including Indian subcontinent but excluding the Middle East) is about 970 O&D passengers per day, but it has been growing tremendously in the past few years. It can probably support Tokyo or Seoul right now. Hong Kong is far too south, but 5-10 years, entirely possible, IMO. Hong Kong is probably the one Asian city with the closest business ties to Miami, and there is more demand concentration to portions of Southeast Asia - Thailand and the Philippines for example - than to places in northern Asia. Hong Kong is not that far fetched, and its the primary target of MIA officials in gaining a non-stop flight to Asia.

I actually think MIA's best shot at getting Asian service in the short-term comes not from AA or Korean Air, but LAN.

Surprisingly one of the larger local markets is to Bombay, India.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 11):
For starters I doubt the 788 could do MIA-NRT without significant payload restrictions. MIA may not be high but it is hot and humid.

The 788 will likely have no issues doing MIA-NRT. MIA is not that hot in the first place. It's rarely above 90 degrees.



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User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4197 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 9):
Even though Miami is not a large place for busisness in Asia it is still a large financial centre at deserves a flight to NRT

I fail to see the connection between a "large financial centre" and that it "deserves a flight to NRT", especially when they is little real connection on the ground.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 10):
You would have to assume that most Asians would prefer a trip to Hawaii as their tropic choice for America.

If they bother to go to America just to enjoy the tropical beaches that is, when they have the world's playground at their doorstep...Southeast Asia!

Anyhow, the following site has some interesting stats:
http://www.miamibeach411.com/conventions/stats.htm

In particular:

Miami Beach Tourist Demographics

Non-U.S. Residents
• South America 52.8%
• Europe 32.4%
• Brazil 17.5%
• Germany 8.9%
• Colombia 8.3%
• England 7.0%
• Canada 6.4%
• Central America 5.0%
• Caribbean 2.6%

You can't even smell a major Asian market there!



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5199 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

AA used to run NRT-SEA-MIA-SEA-NRT for years as a change of guage with the same flight number. If anyone knows the potential for East Asia-MIA it's AA. And you can bet they have a good handle on traffic flows beyond MIA and NRT as well. The market has changed significantly since then of course, and who knows which way JAL will go, but I'm sure AA has their eye on the market potential.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4169 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I actually think MIA's best shot at getting Asian service in the short-term comes not from AA or Korean Air, but LAN.

A market like MIA is going to need a hub to connect to in Asia for it to work. KE to ICN or AA to NRT (assuming JL continues to partner with them) might work. Anything else is out of the question for the far east. I also think it would be very hard to NRT-MIA to work without JL in the mix for AA.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4170 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 15):

You can't even smell a major Asian market there!

Over 75,000 Japanese tourists visit Florida every year, most on package tours that combine Miami and Orlando.

You can't look at Miami Beach tourist numbers and then arbitrarily declare there is no market. The tourism market is a niche market, and the market alone cannot support Asia service, but the market does exist.

Also, given the tendency of Asian tourists to Florida to combine Miami and Orlando in one vacation, when considering tourism potential and looking at local O&D numbers, one has to consider that many Asian tourists to Miami are using MCO (and visa-versa for Asian tourism to Orlando).



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4151 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I actually think MIA's best shot at getting Asian service in the short-term comes not from AA or Korean Air, but LAN.

A market like MIA is going to need a hub to connect to in Asia for it to work

Assuming a continuing JAL relationship, LAN connects to the OW hub in Narita. And I agree MIA-NRT would be difficult for AA without JAL; in which case MIA's best case would be Korean Air to Seoul.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4151 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
MIA-Asia (including Indian subcontinent but excluding the Middle East) is about 970 O&D passengers per day

By any chance do the O&D data to Asia by the same standard from all the cities in the US that do have flights to Asia? It would be interesting see what the O&D is from places that do support flights to Asia.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4127 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 15):
Quoting B752OS (Reply 10):
You would have to assume that most Asians would prefer a trip to Hawaii as their tropic choice for America.

If they bother to go to America just to enjoy the tropical beaches that is, when they have the world's playground at their doorstep...Southeast Asia!

I was talking about if they are looking for an American option. It's not really a tough choice when considering to go to Hawaii or Miami (assuming cost is not an issue). Hawaii would easily win out, but that's just my opinion.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4108 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 20):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
MIA-Asia (including Indian subcontinent but excluding the Middle East) is about 970 O&D passengers per day

By any chance do the O&D data to Asia by the same standard from all the cities in the US that do have flights to Asia? It would be interesting see what the O&D is from places that do support flights to Asia.

I just have info re:MIA.

MIA has actually made a lot of information public right here:

http://www.therouteshop.com/miami-airport/



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

MIA-Asia nonstops will happen when icebergs are seen in the Gulf of Mexico.

AA will be doing good to hold onto much of any presence in Asia after JAL jumps to Skyteam, leaving Asia dominated by Skyteam and Star.

CO via IAH and DL via ATL have far better abilities to connect Asia with Latin America which is the only hope AA would have of making Asia work from MIA. Given that CO and DL have strength in Asia that AA does not, they will always have the advantage. Asia-Latin America is rapidly growing but AA will be the last US carrier that will be in a position to tap into it and other hubs that are far more geographically positioned.

Bluntly, if MIA-Asia can work for AA on any route, DL will be operating double daily ATL-Asia service to a half dozen cities in Asia.

Even if there are significant tourist connections between, those passengers will be worth far less. Further, other hubs like ORD, DTW, MSP, EWR/JFK, IAH, ATL plus the west coast and even DFW are all more than capable of capturing any traffic flows between Florida and Asia.

MIA-East Asia nonstop isn't going to happen. Come up with a real plan for giving AA a presence in Asia instead.

The best you can hope for is EK - and they won't come looking to play nicely with AA.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4020 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 23):
Further, other hubs like ORD, DTW, MSP, EWR/JFK, IAH, ATL plus the west coast and even DFW are all more than capable of capturing any traffic flows between Florida and Asia.

MSP really isnt a great Asia-Florida hub. The shedules dont fit as tightly as they do from the others you mentioned.



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25 MAH4546 : Miami to the Orient is a question of when, not if. Regardless of what happens to JAL, MIA will have a flight to Seoul or Tokyo with the advent of the
26 Incitatus : Using the same argument with reverse geography, Florida-Brazil via ATL would never capture any traffic. Clearly another baloney argument you are prov
27 WorldTraveler : except that CENTRAL Florida to S. America via ATL takes no longer than it does via ATL - and DL captures a healthy proportion of that traffic relativ
28 MAH4546 : AA flies Chicago to Shanghai, Tokyo, Delhi and, soon Beijing. Of course, no surprise you turn a thread on MIA-Asia into "AA vs. DL." As always.
29 Post contains images MaverickM11 : No comment  ...and simultaneously telling us how the 787 won't make much of a difference but DL will rule the Pacific from every airport with
30 727lover : O'm not aware of any besides Korean, so who are these "MANY" that you speak of?
31 MAH4546 : China Airlines daily; Korean Air 5w; and Cathay Pacific 3w. Also, not Asian, but soon LAN Cargo will link Miami with Shanghai.
32 WorldTraveler : and since you are hoping that AA will be competitive against UA and DL to Asia, that list better be a whole lot longer.... and you need to add a pres
33 MAH4546 : I'm out. This could have been an interesting thread, but it now once again about AA versus Delta and how amazing Delta is trans-Pacific.
34 goldenstate : Which as you alluded to, is a connection market that AA could certainly get into (to a greater extent than it already is) with some increased service
35 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Sure, I can see how a discussion of the economics of the 787 and 767 would lead one instantly to talk about DL's TPAC revenue. Makes about as much se
36 MaverickM11 : Also not true. UA is 20% bigger in terms of revenue in 09Q4.
37 OA412 : I'm assuming that MIA-NRT is a foregone conclusion as soon as 787s start arriving at AA. Also someone mentioned LAN as being potentially the first car
38 Post contains images airbazar : MIA-HKG at 7800nm as the crow flies will be pushing the limits of even the 789. I thought the "standard" temperature for take-off performance calcula
39 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Basically, only the mighty -200LR would be able to do the route in this day and age. I wonder if an A389 would be able to do the route as well.. It w
40 Post contains images golli :    Even after 787 EIS, the -200LR would dominate any Florida to Asia route. AA still has 7 outstanding -200ER options. They could still convert the
41 goldenstate : Small subfleets dedicated to a handful of markets generally don't make sense in today's industry.
42 SESGDL : How much of that 970 daily O&D passengers number is going to a single city such as Tokyo or Beijing or Hong Kong, etc.? Providing O&D stats t
43 golli : For a carrier of AA's sise, and already with one of the biggest worldwide fleet of T7's. They have the rated pilot pool and MX inventory. They would
44 MAH4546 : Yes, an airline flying to Seoul or Tokyo pretty much can through a concept called a "hub." Then you're probably going to be pretty annoyed when it do
45 ETinCaribe : I am not sure I would agree here; just because there is a Filipino community here in Miami does it mean there is a market to MNL. There are probably
46 MAH4546 : Cruise ship migrant workers. Also, I stand corrected on my original number - it does not include the Indian Sub-continent, only the Orient and Southe
47 web500sjc : By the time a AA/JL ATI would happen, JL will be in sky team, and AA will be rushing to get in to Asia, mostly using those 777-200ER options, more Lik
48 cws818 : LAX-NRT, DFW-NRT
49 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Now that AA has signed an MOU for the B787 with GE engines and financing, its more possible than it was say 5-6 years ago. The beauty of the B772L's
50 WorldTraveler : precisely.... if you want to tell me that AA will compete in US-East Asia and throw in some Latin connections, I'll gladly agree it is a great idea.
51 goldenstate : You rebutted your own argument (and said what I was going to say) when you stated that AA has suitable equipment and connecting complexes in DFW and
52 WorldTraveler : Given that the 789 is coming (at least if AA gets the labor situation straightened out), the 77L has little add'l capability the 789 won't provide. D
53 MAH4546 : This thread is not about AA and MIA to Asia; it is about MIA to Asia. It is very possibly that the best airline to exploit trans-Pacific service betw
54 WorldTraveler : I don't think you will see any Star or Skyteam carrier start nonstop MIA-Asia service. If anyone other than AA has any interest in serving MIA, it wi
55 MAH4546 : Accept what facts? Like I said, I don't even think AA is in the best position to offer MIA-Asia right now. The top Miami-Asia O&D is Bombay, whic
56 cws818 : Fortunately trans-polar offers additional opportunities and options.
57 MAH4546 : Well, it does, but Miami-Bombay isn't happening this year, next year, or five years for now even. Emirates will exploit the market, which will lead i
58 SANAV8R : While there may not be any direct non-stops to some Asian cities, it should only be a matter of time until a Middle East carrier (most likely EK) will
59 zvezda : The requirement to pass through US immigration and customs for a connecting flight makes MIA unattractive for Asia-SA passengers. YYZ is a much better
60 WorldTraveler : relax, Mark... it's a discussion.... it isn't exactly a life and death event. jealous for what? AA, like UA before it, was in a prime position of dom
61 Post contains images RJ111 : I think you know that's a lie   
62 JFK787NYC : Wow thats really funny. I swear I see more Russians and Israelis in Miami then I see Germans and English people. I would assume Russians were higher
63 B752OS : Are you saying that based on O&D, Atlanta is a bigger market to Asia (which would include India) than Miami is?
64 WorldTraveler : yes.
65 B752OS : Not that I doubt you, but please post stats to back up such a claim. I am just curious to see how large the 2 markets are.
66 LAXdude1023 : While youre at it, if you have O&D numbers from DFW and IAH I would be interested to see what those are too.
67 WorldTraveler : I'm on my way out of town for the weekend and will verify the data when I return.... I can tell you that the total revenue rank among DL int'l at ATL,
68 LAXdude1023 : Since DL has more international flights at ATL, followed by CO at IAH and AA at DFW, I would expect that. What Im talking about is Asia and market si
69 MAH4546 : Atlanta-Asia has had non-stop service for over a decade, and the non-stop market is naturally going to be larger than Miami - a city of similar size,
70 goldenstate : This is a nice airliners.net theory, but in real life, the incremental cargo revenue does not always pencil out against the significant incremental c
71 golli : I rebutted my own argument??? No. What I'm saying is; It would be foolish to jump right in MIA-Asia with a new type. They can "test the waters" thru
72 MAH4546 : American Airlines has publicly expressed interest about starting Miami-Tokyo in a few years.
73 LAXdude1023 : My only concern is if JAL goes, their interest wont be as strong in that market.
74 MAH4546 : I don't doubt that. If JAL stays, there could be short-term interest in starting the route, probably with a JAL 77L. If JAL leaves, it will be put on
75 golli : Thanks, I forgot to mention that in my post. I really don't think any airline would be interested in operating such a route on O&D alone, flying
76 goldenstate : First you say it's foolish to jump into MIA-Asia with a dedicated subfleet. Then you go on to say that the LR makes sense to do this. Which is it? AA
77 MAH4546 : MIA-NRT is trans-Pacific; ORD-DEL is trans-Polar. The trans-Polar routing significantly helps ORD-DEL's feasability with a 772. MIA-NRT westbound wit
78 golli : Yes I did. If the given airline deems it viable to start the route, the -200LR is the preferable option. What is it that confuses you so much. Is my
79 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I'm stating for practical missions.. Yes, the A345 could serve the route but the A345 has been shown for the most part it won't be economical. Adding
80 goldenstate : At 6400 nautical miles it is well within the range of existing B777 equipment. Yes there would be weight restrictions on the westbound leg, particula
81 MAH4546 : They would be a deal breaker on a route in which cargo would play a significant role in generating profit. First, I'm not advocating AA fly MIA-NRT w
82 OP3000 : A big ethnic Chinese, Indian and Pakistani community since the British colonial days.
83 MAH4546 : True. KIN's biggest market, IIRC, is actually to Damascus. Huge Syrian community.
84 OP3000 : Lots of them. Interestingly the vast majority of them are actually Lebanese Christians. They came in the late 1800s and early 1900s from a region tha
85 LAXdude1023 : You for got alot of other cities in Mexico that can connect through DFW. There is actually some biz traffic between NRT and AGU. I dont know if AA co
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