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When Did Pan Am Drop Alaska Service?  
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

In the late 1950s, Pan Am offered service from SEA to the Alaska cities of KTN, JNU, FAI and OME. By the mid-1970s all of these except FAI had disappeared from their route map...and, by then, FAI seemed to serve mainly as an enroute tech stop on flights to/from east Asia. Since there are some fairly wide gaps in the dates of Pan Am timetables I am able to locate...

...when did Pan Am discontinue service between the continental U.S. and Alaska? Also, in the 1970s, did PA have traffic rights between SEA and FAI, or was the latter a tech/refueling stop only?

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User currently offlineCondorito From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

I recall PA offering SEA/ANC/LHR service in the late 80s.


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Pan Am flew FAI-SEA until deregulation. In 1978, this was operated as PA 895 / PA 896, routed FAI-SEA-PDX-HNL, equipment 747-100, with local traffic rights from FAI to SEA, PDX, and HNL.

After Pan Am suspended FAI-SEA, the route was taken over by NW.

PA also flew JFK-FAI-HND from 1969 until JFK-HND 747 SP nonstops began in 1976.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3778 times:



Quoting Condorito (Reply 1):
I recall PA offering SEA/ANC/LHR service in the late 80s.

As in ANC-LHR non-stop? ...in a PA timetable dated Feb 1, 1987 ANC is omitted entirely from their listing of flight schedules...as is FAI.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):
After Pan Am suspended FAI-SEA, the route was taken over by NW.

So did NW operate FAI-SEA v.v. non-stop for a time? ...rather than as a tag-on via ANC?


User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3721 times:



Quoting Condorito (Reply 1):
I recall PA offering SEA/ANC/LHR service in the late 80s.

Really? I don't recall PA ever serving ANC, just FAI as aforementioned.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3698 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
So did NW operate FAI-SEA v.v. non-stop for a time? ...rather than as a tag-on via ANC?

Yes.
In Sept 1980 tt, FAI had 1 NW flight/day.
NW84 lv 0035 ar 0535 xSuMo 72S

Jan 1981:
NW84 lv 0030 ar 0535 xWeTh 72S

June 1981:
NW78 lv 0030 ar 0535 daily 72S
NW92 lv1710 ar 2350 XSaSu DC10 stop in ANC

Sept 1981:
NW78 lv 0030 ar 0535 xWeTh 72S ?

Feb 1982:
NW78 lv 0030 ar 0535 xWeTh 72S

December 1984:
NW82 lv 1240 ar 1800 daily 72S

Last NW timetable I have with previous FAI service. Was gone in June 85 tt.



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User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
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According to the Pan Am Spring Timetable/"Spring & Summer 1977", Effective April 24, 1977, JFK-FAI and FAI-JFK is listed.

NEW YORK

To: FAIRBANKS
Sa 2130 2345 911 0 707 FY

and

FAIRBANKS

To: NEW YORK
Su 0020 1205 912 0 707 FY
Above Flight Effective May 1

The JFK-FAI and FAI-JFK flights are not listed in the Pan Am Schedules Summer 1978 Timetable Effective August 1, 1978.


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[Edited 2010-02-04 15:59:23]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

(Repeating earlier reply which was there for a while but seems to have mysteriously disappeared).

Quoting BNAFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting Condorito (Reply 1):
I recall PA offering SEA/ANC/LHR service in the late 80s.

Really? I don't recall PA ever serving ANC, just FAI as aforementioned.

Before deregulation I don't think PA ever had route authority to serve ANC, and I'm almost certain they never served it at any time.

I believe the only points PA served in Alaska were Ketchikan, Juneau and Fairbanks. Ketchikan was originally served via Annette Islland, an ex-WWII military base about 20 miles from KTN, as the airport at KTN didn't open until 1973.

There was also an earlier post in this thread which also seems to have disappeaared referring to PA's service to Whitehorse, Yukon (YXY). I think YXY was the only Canadian point ever served on a scheduled basis by PA and not for long. In their August 1963 timetable their Alaska service included a daily SEA-FAI 707 nonstop and a daily SEA-KTN (Annette Island)-JNU 707. A DC-6B connected with the JNU flights 2 days a week and operated JNU-YXY-FAI. I doubt that lasted more than a couple of years, if that.

Interesting article on PA's Alaska service history, focusing on Ketchikan, with some photos.
http://www.sitnews.us/Kiffer/PanAm/122906_Pan_Am_Airways.html


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