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6 New Flight From DEN From Frontier?  
User currently offlinePI731 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 125 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

Via Facebook, I got a message per say from Frontier saying that the will be announcing 6 new flights out of DEN. “Frontier Airlines We will be announcing 6 new direct flights to/from Denver today. Any guesses on where we might fly?” Anyone know what they are?

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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11973 times:

I'm going to guess that Long Beach will be one of them, as they were just recently allocated (awarded?) slots there.

User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1308 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11780 times:

Purely a guess, but I would look at existing YX markets in the east to connect to DEN? PIT, CMH, RDU? I wouldn't mind seeing MIA.


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User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11753 times:

I wish they would increase frequency in the markets where they have only 1 or 2 poorly timed flights (BOI, GEG, TUS)
before they start randomly expanding.

[Edited 2010-02-04 12:47:18 by azstar]

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11752 times:
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Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 2):
I wouldn't mind seeing MIA.

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I guess it is too early in the year to be announcing LIR.

mariner



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11706 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 1):
I'm going to guess that Long Beach will be one of them, as they were just recently allocated (awarded?) slots there

 checkmark  That would certainly be a good guess; probably 2 flights since they got 2 slots. That would leave 4 other flights but I'm not real clear on whether these "6 new flights" are all to new destinations or possibly just additional capacity on existing routes...

bb


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Maybe the return of ELP? One can always hope...  


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11667 times:

It's mid-afternoon already in DEN/IND/MKE (or wherever corporate is these days); is it likely there will still be an announcement today, Thursday?

bb


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11636 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
It's mid-afternoon already in DEN/IND/MKE (or wherever corporate is these days); is it likely there will still be an announcement today, Thursday?

I believe 2 pm Mountain Time. Soon.

All my hopes are dashed though. I was hoping for flights to/from other places - not DEN.

mariner



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11594 times:

FWA-DEN with an E190?

UA has been ignoring this market opportunity for eons...



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11576 times:

In addition to Long Beach, I'm going to guess that we'll also see the addition of Boston and Charlotte from Denver. I'm just sort of shooting in the dark at this point.

I wish we could see the addition of a 3rd daily flight from BOI-DEN which would make my connections to DCA a tad easier, but that surely won't happen now that WN suddenly entered the market with 2x daily. Oh well...

[Edited 2010-02-04 13:05:25]

User currently offlineSWACLE From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11535 times:

Up on F9's website now:

http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...ne-deals-details.do?name=introfare

Don



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User currently offlineBigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11528 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
FWA-DEN with an E190?

LOL! Some how I knew you reply to this. Now we just need GSPSpot to add on here. In all seriousness though, I wish MIA was one of the routes, although I know it wont be or another FLL, MCO or TPA flight! We shall see.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11491 times:
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Quoting SWACLE (Reply 11):
Up on F9's website now:

That's an interesting little bunch. Several surprises in there.

mariner



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User currently offlineBigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11443 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 13):



That's an interesting little bunch. Several surprises in there.

Yeah...It sure is! I get LGB, and maybe even PHF. But Green Bay, Branson, and Madison from Denver? I don't know about these. I guess it helps since they aren't daily.

[Edited 2010-02-04 13:15:06 by bigsky09]

User currently offlineFlyusairways From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11438 times:

Wonderful news for PHF and Hampton Roads! I certainly hope it works out for the best!  


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11440 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 13):
That's an interesting little bunch. Several surprises in there.

Uh huh...I must say I was very surprised at a few of them....

Is it me or is GRR going to see a 25% - 50% increase in seats this summer?


User currently offlineDevildog2222 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11438 times:

I wonder what they will use for the LGB and SBA routes?

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

Summary of http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...e-deals-details.do?name=introfare:

DEN-BKG (Branson, MO) - 4x weekly
DEN-GRR - 1x daily
DEN-GRB - 3x weekly
DEN-LGB - 2x daily (except Sun 1x)
DEN-MSN - 1x daily
DEN-PHF - 4x weekly
DEN-SBA - 2x daily (except Sun 1x)



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32879 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 4):


Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 2):
I wouldn't mind seeing MIA.

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I guess it is too early in the year to be announcing LIR.

Maybe a clue that MIA might be coming in the future...

MIA is best launched in the winter, IMO. Good market possibly - no Southwest, limited United presence, much larger local demand than non-stop capacity.

Also, Newport News, Branson and Grand Rapids? Hmm...sort of like trying to send a message to AirTran!

[Edited 2010-02-04 13:19:30]


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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

Wow! So those are all new? (with the exception of Louisville, Fairbanks, and New Orleans) If true wouldn't that be 7-8 new flights? Or are some just a few times a week?

Man, I did not see Denver to Newport News, VA coming.

But it makes a lot of sense, actually. When the already heavy competition becomes even heavier, focus away from the competition and more on niche routes that can make money.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11359 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 20):
Man, I did not see Denver to Newport News, VA coming.

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I think it is the most interesting one on the list.

mariner



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User currently offlineBigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11311 times:

Besides new routes does anyone know what was talked about at the Raymond James conference today? Anything good?

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23066 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11297 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Also, Newport News, Branson and Grand Rapids? Hmm...sort of like trying to send a message to AirTran!

Maybe - but MKE-PHF - a route that would not shock me on OO/FL - would send a clearer message.

I don't know that Branson sends anyone a message about anything. They pay, and airlines come (and sometimes succeed). If FL can play that game, F9 should too.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12189 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11297 times:
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Looks like GRR is having a field day with new routes/airlines. Wonder when DL will fight back?

25 FlyPNS1 : Or in expectation for a deeper relationship with Airtran???
26 Post contains images USPIT10L : Good point, but GRR, GRB and MSN are all YX strongholds. We get quite a bit of traffic going there through MKE. Makes sense to tie the two brands tog
27 Azstar : Lynx disappears in April. No more Q400. No more FAR or TUL. All other routes will transition to jet aircraft.
28 Cubsrule : They are, and those routes make perfect sense. Are they all E70 routes, or something bigger? I can't find aircraft types on the F9 site.
29 Flyinryan99 : Well...in May they are going 3x DC9-50 GRR-ATL up from the 4x CRJ-200 to start.
30 OzarkD9S : That would be my hope. They might even be able to even out MKE flying amongst the two and keep WN at bay there.
31 PVD757 : Wow - interesting list, great news for the new markets. And how about GRR - they are getting quite a bit of new service so far this year. Have to add
32 USPIT10L : Actually, they're E135/E135 markets, we have a one-stop to MSN at 1015 every day but Sunday.
33 Post contains images Mikey711MN : It would make for a well-structured route network! -Mike
34 RL757PVD : Its a tough thinkg for YX/F9 BOS-MKE has been an established route, but if they added BOS-DEN then would be the 4th airline and 3rd LCC flying it. Th
35 Laxintl : I take it SBA and LGB are operated by Republic being 1xxx series flight numbers? Santa Barbara is nice link, but two a day might be a bit much especia
36 Azstar : I'm baffled by all this. One or two flights per day in a market are not viable. F9 is a hub and spoke airline. When you only operate one flight you at
37 GentFromAlaska : This looks more like a G4 announcement .
38 Ttailfan : CRJ7s are starting on the ATL route soon, too. They are replacing some, if not all, of the CRJ2s.
39 KcrwFlyer : A "we like to capitalize on our relationship and partnership with airtran" message? Well i see Branson hasnt run out of money yet. How many more seat
40 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Hmmm... I wonder how many folks out West know about Branson? The airport's unique incentives (such as completely barring competitors from flying the
41 SurfandSnow : We are all surprised, but then again, we do live in a day and age when you really have to think outside the box to beat the competition and succeed.
42 USAirALB : I see: CLT, BOS, PVD, ALB, BUF, GSO, RNO, and BHM coming very soon. CLT and BOS being most likely. Not only do I expect for F9 to launch CLT, but I t
43 ridgid727 : LMAO!!! I give that 3 months, and it will be scrubbed.
44 Post contains links mariner : Well, we'll see. I'm a tad disappointed because - ever out in left field - I was hoping they'd add SMX instead of SBA. LOL. Here's one snippet that h
45 FATFlyer : I hope it works for SBA, but I tend to agree with you. Additionally Allegiant couldn't make 2X or 3X a week to LAS work from SBA. It is a tough marke
46 PI731 : I’m in shock with that list. So are these going to be served with SK 145s? Whats with airlines now following the Allegiant model with servi
47 smoot4208 : Midwest did horrible in Charlotte the first time around. It probably isnt that high up on their list of places to restart. I don't think BOS would do
48 Cubsrule : But in GRR, GRB, and MSN, it's not really "one or two flights a day," because all of those cities have good connections with the MKE hub. It's no dif
49 yeogeo : Trying not to sound like a petty, peeved cheesehead but the condescension in the paragraph edited above is laid on pretty thick... so let me try to a
50 777ER : Maybe someone can help me here, with Republic now owning F9 and Midwest, will Republic use only F9 for these new routes or will a different carrier op
51 flyinryan99 : I think they are just saying those airlines are adding a flight or two. I know all 3 of them are adding a flight here or there (WN new destination in
52 KingCavalier : That's probably all it is because F9 reinstated a 3rd frequency to DEN.
53 ocracoke : A quick geography lesson for those that never been to the Hampton Roads area (not saying this is for you, SurfandSnow, but for those that have never
54 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : That would be interesting, wouldn't it?   -Dave
55 mariner : Maybe ORF or RIC were not giving the same financial incentives? mariner
56 azstar : All of these routes will be gone within a year.
57 tjwgrr : It looks like most of these flights (including GRR) will operate with 1000 series flight numbers. Are those the E70 or E90? Looks like mainline flight
58 Post contains links tjwgrr : From: http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5180 Denver - Branson (Effective April 20, 2010) Departs Arrives Frequency Air
59 enilria : Sorry, there are too many F9 threads. I posted this in one of other ones, but here I guess is the best place. My Route Review: DEN-RSW 3/week E190 Exi
60 ridgid727 : This is obviously true, It looks as though they are selecting markets to insulate themselves from WN.
61 Jetlanta : Wow, so many opinions...so little data.
62 RJNUT : but they still have UA as a formidable foe and UA could easily match these markets with a few extra RJ's floating around! I still maintain that the Q
63 tjwgrr : I disagree. These are proven Midwest cities. These new flights make sense as they compliment Republic's integration of Frontier and Midwest routes an
64 LV : I am wondering if this is more to introduce some key YX markets to the F9 brand since all of us have speculated that F9 will be the surviving brand w
65 USAirALB : Is there gate space in CLT avalible? The only gates I can see them using is the International Concourse as A is like a sardine can, or it was the las
66 Post contains images enilria :    I agree on the RJs. I don't think its the right plane to compete with mainline except in REALLY short markets like COS. They aren't proven to DE
67 GentFromAlaska : PHF is a short distance from ORF (excluding road traffic) and is closer to the Busch Gardens theme park in Williamsburg, to Yorktown and Chesapeake.
68 PI731 : I’m surprised with the aircraft selections. I figured they would be either 145s or E70s. Since they just announced Lynx was finished and 14
69 Post contains images mariner :    That''s a.net, I guess. So what does the extra flights they are adding on routes common with Southwest tell you? mariner
70 Post contains images Airport : Bahaha! Best post in this thread!    Agreed, I think we should give it time to see what happens. I applaud F9's bold experimenting though. Thinking
71 flyinryan99 : Just curious....what's the average one way fare?
72 iowaman : A very small percentage. Branson is a midwesterner destination, by far.
73 Post contains images mariner :    Take heart in your opinion. Cranky Flier agrees with you.   mariner
74 joeljack : Living in Iowa, I can tell you that Branson is not a big destination for folks around here. The Ozarks, however is HUGE for Iowans. I feel like hardl
75 ERJ170 : PHF is good for Newport News and Williamsburg.. very small market compared to what ORF can pull. Getting through the Hampton Roads Tunnel from Norfol
76 MtnWest1979 : [quote=iowaman,reply=72]Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 40): Hmmm... I wonder how many folks out West know about Branson? A very small percentage. Branson
77 quickmover : Are they getting some more lift from somewhere? Getting rid of the Q's but still maintaining the flights to those cities with existing jets and adding
78 KingCavalier : There seems to be a lot of talk about Branson, Missouri as only being a destination. Is it not possible that people who live in the Springfield area a
79 mariner : Well - yes. They have 6 or7 x E190 coming in and 3 x A320, all in the first six months of this year. And it is possible you have just put your finger
80 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : RAH should use some of the Q400 to supplement some of the markets announced yesterday. PHF to IAD for example or GRR to ORD or MDW. Geographically sp
81 mariner : I'd have put Hampton in there, but I live in New Zealand, what do I know. If they had done that, how long would it have been before Southwest announc
82 quickmover : I believe United's DEN-IAD is the closest nonstop to the RIC/PHF/ORF area. Should be a good route. I fly DEN-RIC alot and it always requires a connec
83 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Here is the airport snapshot data courtesy BTS RITA. http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp Users can research any of the cities announced yesterda
84 mariner : If you mean Frontier's DEN-PHF, then I agree. I don't have much (any?) knowledge of traffic flows and patterns or average fares, or what the financia
85 GentFromAlaska : According to the airport distance calculator I just queried. RIC is 53 driving miles from PHF. RIC is 99.5 driving miles from IAD, ORF is 23 driving
86 SJOtoLIR : F9 DEN-SJO 7x weekly drives excellent load factors during its operational period and we have previously discussed here about the continuity of the me
87 NWAESC : I'm not sure MSN still is. I think they carry something like 4% of the traffic out of here. That may have changed, though. That said, I'm curious how
88 flyusairways : I have conducted passenger surveys at PHF, and many, many individuals have indicated that they are from the Southside and even NE North Carolina. See
89 ERJ170 : Compare that to ORF and what's the difference? I assume the percentage would be significantly higher at ORF. But you know what assuming does...
90 Post contains images flyusairways : Oh I imagine it is significant. I'm just saying that it is not out of the realm of possibility for people to come north to PHF. The catchment area of
91 vatveng : It makes sense for them to have a less-than-daily route serve the same airport as AirTran, as I'm guessing FL will ground-handle these flights? That
92 GentFromAlaska : I might be able to explain some of this. The Coast Guard (CG) has a training academy in Yorktown which is only a few miles from PHF. The CG Finance c
93 FlyPNS1 : In theory, PHF should work. FL fills multiple daily 717's to BOS and LGA from PHF. These flights rely solely on O+D traffic. F9 will be filling a simi
94 Post contains links and images KingCavalier :    I noticed that last night when I checked out their web site - http://www.nnwairport.com/index.php?option=com_wmtsimpleflashgallery PHF was the f
95 Post contains links mariner : A thing that is missing from the debate is that these routes were devised in large part by Daniel Shurz, who came to Frontier, and now Republic, from
96 Cubsrule : All numbers from Q409 GRR-DEN: 59 PDEW, $224.94 average fare GRB-DEN: 30 PDEW, $169.81 average fare LGB-DEN: 13 PDEW, $133.56 average fare MSN-DEN: 3
97 JBAirwaysFan : Maybe they're going back to JAX?
98 Post contains images mariner : That would scratch a small itch of mine, too. Not necessarily from DEN.   mariner
99 FL787 : They've already taken delivery of 6 of the US E190s so really it's 4 E190s and 3 A320s.
100 mariner : Ah, well, there you go. I was just going by what BB said last time I heard, some time in January. Thanks for the update. mariner
101 enilria : I'm disappointed with you. There is a natural and historic traffic flow from ORF/PHF to BOS (Navy) and New York (beach + some Navy). Has the Navy ope
102 Jetlanta : Just wrong. Frontier's pricing structure will lead these markets to explode. This level of capacity, tied with F9's pricing structure, their low cost
103 Post contains images iowaman : I would have to disagree with that, as I know a few retired folks around here who enjoy going to Branson. But I do agree with you on the Ozarks.   
104 mariner : I'm boggling slightly at "schizophrenic" but I think the comparison with profitable Airtran is okay. Or even profitable Allegiant. LOL. mariner
105 KcrwFlyer : It's no where near as bad as Xjet. At least they're going into a relatively established hub. And most of FlyI's routes made sense, and with proper ex
106 USAirALB : I don't think the E190s in PHF will be a problem, US flew PHL-DEN with them without any problems.
107 KingCavalier : That's right and didn't B6 operate the E190 on JFK - SLC? That is 1980 miles. PHF - DEN is 1530 miles.
108 Post contains links mariner : That may be true, but I wouldn't underestimate the place. It maybe Hicksville Paradise, but it's sure got some stuff going for it: http://www.branson
109 vatveng : Not surprised. Frontier is the first airline to start PHF service in about 8 years. This is kind of a big deal for Newport News.
110 Post contains images enilria : Let's put $100 on the September LF for PHF. Whoever is closer wins. LOL DEN is not MCO/SFB/LAS. IAD wasn't a well-established hub? You do realize it
111 KcrwFlyer : I was making a comparison to the stand-alone ExpressJet operation. The comment applicable to FlyI followed the XJT comment in my post.
112 LACA773 : Please remember this route for AA was most likely doomed from the begining. AA's costs are way too high to make those flights work out profitably. I
113 SANFan : Thanks for collecting this data, Cubbie (although I don't know where you got 4Q09 'cause those figures haven't yet been posted on DOT.gov.) I agree w
114 mariner : You blokes are going to drive yourselves nuts trying to work all this out. LOL. Gosh, that's jolly interesting news. I didn't know that Republic was
115 tjwgrr : When will we see the first E190 in Frontier colors?
116 mke717spotter : I thought the E190s were being painted in YX colors?
117 GentFromAlaska : And where do they paint them and apply the critter stickers? Before the merger I recall someone mentioning MCI. I know there are companies who do thi
118 Wedgetail737 : ICT is finally getting additional jet service to DEN besides UA? They've been wanting additional jet service for years and had to settle for the Q400,
119 Post contains images flyusairways : Wonder what the media will think when a Midwest E190 shows up on the inaugural flight...   
120 ERJ170 : My question is this... if, as everyone has notioned, the Frontier name would come out over the Midwest name, why would they continue to paint any air
121 Cubsrule : I got them from my fat fingers - it's actually Q209 data.
122 GentFromAlaska : I would guess in F9 colors with critters riding on the tail. I don't think YX had buses in their fleet.
123 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Here is YX fact sheet from Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Airlines Before the 717 it the article reads they operated DC9
124 AirframeAS : A HUGE 'IF'....the EJets are painted in F9 colors. If that were to happen, the painting at AMA (more than likely) and the animal decals are usually d
125 PlanesNTrains : By EJets, do you mean the 170/190 or the 135/145? If the former, than I guess I don't agree, if only because they are discussing a single brand. If t
126 Flashmeister : The paint on the upcoming deliveries might well tell us plenty about the branding decisions that have been made. I might have missed in in the (pages
127 STLGph : [quote = FWAERJ, odpowiedzi = 9] FWA-DEN z E190? [/ quote] LMAO! [quote = USAirALB, odpowied%u017A = 42] [/ quote] [quote = Azstar, odpowied%u017A = 2
128 AirframeAS : E70 & E90. That's ok. Just remember, I am with F9 and I call things how I see them. I can only speak for the A320's. The 3 arrive March (205), Ap
129 caleb1 : Where did the slots into LGB come from?
130 Post contains images iowaman : Maybe F9 should consider a daily DSM and CID-BKG flight with the E190 then?
131 mariner : Not sure about daily. But a couple of times a week - maybe, if they're that way inclined these days. From those cities, it could be Midwest and perha
132 LACA773 : ERJs=E135/145 EMJs=E/70/75/90/95
133 JA : Sigh...I like what ExpressJet did. The main reason that the ExpressJet branded failed was because of revenue management and a burning desire NOT to b
134 Post contains images flyusairways : Saw a commercial this evening on a Hampton Roads local station for F9's arrival in PHF. Indeed, they are wasting no time getting the word out. It must
135 Post contains images AirframeAS : There is a flaw with that... (not you), it is that its on E190's, not on F9 metal. A lot of people do not realize that and THAT makes me cringe!   
136 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I respect that. I guess I felt that, since no apparent decision about branding had been made, it seemed challenging to say the E170/190 fleet would l
137 iowaman : I think it could work on a published charter like basis, especially package deals through a travel agency. Currently, most people that go from here t
138 Post contains links mariner : I dunno. It's a long-ish drive from DSM. I'm confused by the attitude to it, I guess. As in: Branson is in the Ozarks, so are we just talking about A
139 Cubsrule : I suspect they flew it until the money ran out (and would gladly fly it 2 or 3/week if the money were there). I can't think of a single route ex-BKG
140 joeljack : When people around here say "The Ozarks" they mean Lake of the Ozarks and Osage Beach. If people are going to SW Missouri, they say they are going to
141 casInterest : Kind of amazed at PHF. However with the market they are going for there, I am truly amazed that GSO or GSP wasn't on this list, as those two would arg
142 Post contains images mariner : It was a verrrrry short run. But that's the point- they have subsidy.    mariner
143 mariner : Then perhaps that has been part of Branson's success. At least in terms of what they provide it has been successful, in just twenty five years. marin
144 Cubsrule : Right - but that means that making CID or DSM work would also require a desire on the part of the Branson folks, and I'm not sure it's there. They se
145 Post contains images mariner : Of course. And I have no idea if they are interested in that. I thought it was a hypothetical?    But "subsidy" can come in many forms and isn't ju
146 Cubsrule : That's actually a comparison worth drawing, because HDN and BKG are alike in that if the powers that be don't want it to happen, it probably won't. A
147 Post contains images mariner : The joke is that now Chapter 11 issues are resolved, Intrawest - HDN - is also talking to Frontier again. After what happened with Lynx last time, at
148 PI731 : I wonder how much these small cities are paying Frontier to fly the DEN flights. I think it's sad that in order for the smaller markets like BKG, PHF,
149 mariner : It may be sad, but it is a reality. I would guess that the majority of Allegiant destinations have provided a financial cushion of some kind in the f
150 AirframeAS : I am not talking about the tails, per se.... I am talking about who is really operating these flights. And it ain't F9, not until July on some routes
151 GentFromAlaska : While its on my mind, does anybody know if they announced the new cities on the Facebook page, offering clues mirroring FAI? I suspect we would still
152 Post contains links FATFlyer : Allegiant does stay away from revenue guarantee offers. The support I know that Allegiant has accepted in the past has been along the lines of market
153 KcrwFlyer : They dont want revenue guarantees but tend to like when anything they'd normally have to pay for is free.
154 Post contains links mariner : I'm not claiming financial payments. I have no idea what the financial incentives are for Frontier at PHF, for example, they have not been announced
155 TxAgKuwait : IIRC those were Q2 2009 numbers. Here are Q3 2009 numbers: GRB - DEN 34.4 psgrs per day each way / average fare $ 173.94 GRR - DEN 54.8 psgrs per day
156 mariner : Real big of you. LOL. Why do they need to make a dent? I thought they just needed to make money. And you run slab-dab into a frequent problem. The LC
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