Kevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1129 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 868 times:
Now this will be an interesting process to follow:
Cabin crew members with U.S. carrier United Airlines have started court action over New Zealand's practice of spraying airplane cabins to kill insects, the U.S. Association of Flight Attendants said Wednesday.
Airline staff have blamed the insecticide for symptoms including itchy skin, headaches and nerve problems.
The spray, repeated inside cabins every six to eight weeks, was making cabin crew members sick, Association spokeswoman Judith Morowski told National Radio.
United, the only U.S. airline regularly serving New Zealand, confirmed that flight attendants have lodged health claims in court but would not release details of the legal action. Morowski also did not give details of the case.
Morowski said the association fields as many as 15 complaints a week from crew on flights to New Zealand, Australia and Japan.
Crew members reported reactions consistent with exposure to the sprays.
"Typically, rash, severe rash, particularly on the parts of the body that are not covered by clothing, upper respiratory complaints, difficulty breathing, wheezing, inflammation of the eyes and so on," she said.
'Cumulative effect' of exposure
While spraying takes place on few actual flights, the residue remains in the aircraft cabin for about eight weeks.
Morowski said airliner cabin crews are constantly exposed to the chemicals, and "there has been shown to be a cumulative effect of exposures to these pesticides."
On its Web site, the association says residual spray could be "absorbed through the skin or through the stomach if a person eats food prepared on sticky galley counters."
The association is urging the World Health Organization, U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and other agencies to press New Zealand to ease its regulations.
But the government said Wednesday it would not be changing its practice, which aims at keeping foreign insects out of the country where they could wreak havoc in the agriculture sector.
The WHO-approved insecticide is safe and New Zealand is one of 35 countries which spray airliner cabins, said border management program manager Mike Alexander.
Spray which includes the insecticide D-phenothrin is used when people are still on board, and permethrin, a slightly stronger agent, is used after people disembark from the plane.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has banned the sprays from aircraft in the United States and is reported to be investigating suggestions that some ingredients can damage the brains of infants and fetuses.
I do not even know who's side to take in here. From one side New Zealand is right, but United has its truth too. Time will show!
Jet_guy From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 748 times:
How dare we try to keep our clean green country free from dangerous animals, and Bacteria!!!!!
We have some nerve acting in this reckless manner.......
I personally think it is a good thing.
Keep NZ green
777XI From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 716 times:
Why doesn't it affect other airlines that fly to NZ? Probably because they aren't vocal like the AFA at United Airlines is. While this is the first time people have publicly heard of any problems associated with the spray, it is by no means the first time problems have arisen.
When you take ANZ crews into account, you must remember that they are exposed to the sprays and other chemicals in NZ much more frequently than their counterparts in other countries, therefore having 'adapted' (for lack of a better word) to the chemicals.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 632 times:
Why doesn't it affect other airlines that fly to NZ? Probably because they aren't vocal like the AFA at United Airlines is.
You think that American unions are vocal?
You obviously know nothing about unionism in Australia and New Zealand, where a dispute with hairdressers can have the potential to shut down the entire country, as workers from other industries join the action as well.
How vocal is that?
While this is the first time people have publicly heard of any problems associated with the spray, it is by no means the first time problems have arisen.
Let me rephrase this.
first time people have publicly heard of any alleged problems associated with the spray.
There is no proof at all that there ARE problems.
Australia and New Zealand are two nations which are in a pristine state, and where agriculture is one of the major industries. Both country's products are renowned around the world for their superiority and also their "cleanliness". And we are fully entitled to protect that environment at all costs, as long as no harm is being done to humans.
UA has what 1 daily flight into AKL?
As people have mentioned above, why are no other airlines' f/a's complaining? You say that NZs f/a's are immune to these pesticides.
How does that then explain that f/a's from other airlines, such as Royal Tongan, Air Nauru, Air Niugini, Garuda, British Airways, etc who also have flights into Australia and NZ are not complaining about this spray?
Why also is UA NOT taking on the Australian government? Could it be coz they know we would tell them to "get stuffed"?
Until such time as these f/a's are able to find a "safer" alternative to the current regulations which New Zealand is entitled to enforce, they should stay out of agricultural science and stick to those things which they know best, i.e. pushing a trolley up and down the aisle, whilst ask "Would you like more peanuts". God knows some of the United f/a's I have encountered can't even do that properly!
OverseasBHX From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 599 times:
It's sort of strange to hear about complaints from specific persons (crews) on board a specific carrier (UA). As other comments have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any complaint from any other carrier.
Any comments from/about passengers? There must be an awful lot of passengers out there flying into and out of OZ/NZ all the time, probably much more often than UA's crews, and I have never ever heard any complaints from them.
I do think countries like OZ and NZ do have the right to enforce the measures they consider appropriate to keep their -privileged- environment privileged!
Brenjoro_QF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 602 times:
And they call the poms whiners, So many airlines fly in and out of AUS/NZ and they are the only ones to be affected. Here is a list of airlines serving SYD, only one of them have problems with the spray.
Air New Zealand
Air Tahiti Nui
All Nippon Airways (Codeshare)
AOM French Airline
China Southern Airlines
KLM Royal Dutch
Norfolk Jet Express
United Airlines >
I still cant beleive the cheek, Aus and NZ should just tell united to pack their bags and go home (and then wait 3-4 week for their bags to arrive )
Jet_guy From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 557 times:
While i dont agree with your comment about Hairdressers shutting down the whole country, I totally agree with the cleanliness point. While the UK are just bearly making it thorugh the foot-n-mouth crisis, we here rely on the clean green image that we portray throughout the world.
To UAL, all I have to say is Harden Up!!!
Catpac....Havent stated .207 yet but had a look at it, and well maybe i will leave it till the last week, it looks pretty hard!
Acvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 551 times:
Silly question ...
Since when is SYD in New Zealand... DUH!
The spray is in New Zealand not SYD!
Try listing carriers flying internationally into AKL and exclude flights from Australia now you have the list of carriers. Now as to who is right ndo not know but, ofetn it takes one to be vocal before the others come out....
Megatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 549 times:
Add to Jet_guys comments...
Well, the NZ Govt is now doing all possible to stop the spread of diseases, such as the foot-n-mouth etc. If you've been in NZ, you'd have seen their ads - "Stop Foon-N-Mouth, by word of mouth!" Basically urging us to tell friends/relatives to stop bringing/sending food stuffs over.
And, besides pax a/c, I believe they spray such things on cargo planes too...
Oz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 546 times:
Actually the Australian spray is a little different - at one time NZ was using DDT out of the aerosol cans. I can remember that that stuff used to affect your nostrils (I reckon it killed any bugs in your body system as well as the aircraft). There was always a warning from the cabin crew to cover your noses with a handkerchief.
I really reckon that NZ will tell UA to suck it. More so than OZ, as NZ already has a history of telling the yanks to go jump. Nuclear ships into NZ ports is just one example.
The UA flight attendants are not getting an increase in their pay, so this I still suggest is a way they can get "further compensation".