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Thai Takes Leased 777F  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12144 times:

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Report that one of the 777Fs rejected by China Southern is being painted in Thai livery.

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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5037 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12144 times:

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
Report that one of the 777Fs rejected by China Southern is being painted in Thai livery.

Southern Air, not China Southern.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12084 times:

Another one will follow , N775SA.These 777Fs are not rejected , but simply leased to Thai from Southern Air .Total 777F planned for Thai = 4.

User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12069 times:

Don't know that they were rejected. This from Southern Airs website

http://www.southernair.com/SAIPressRelease19Oct09.pdf


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11866 times:

Sorry, my fault. Didnt know Southern Air had ordered some, just thought this is one saved from the desert. So Southern Air is already the third 777F owner after Air France and China Southern not needing them themselves.

User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6619 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11796 times:

I thought Southern Air ages ago announced that they would be leasing their 777s to Thai? I remember reading something about this several months ago.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11569 times:

So where will Thai use these new freighters to? Any chance of them starting South American routes?

A388


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 4):
Sorry, my fault. Didnt know Southern Air had ordered some, just thought this is one saved from the desert. So Southern Air is already the third 777F owner after Air France and China Southern not needing them themselves.

???

What are you on about? The Southern Air ones are brand new and leased from Oak Hill Partners; they were always destined to be sub-leased to Thai Cargo. There seems to be fair too much urban myth and rumour trotted out round here lately. First it was the LoadAir 744s that were allegedly going to Thai Cargo, then it changed to Cargolux, then Air Bridge and now this rubbish about these 777s being third hand.

The 2x China Southern ones and 1x Air France are both still storage in the desert. I've not seen anything concrete on the fate of any of them although the Air France has been RUMOURED to be going to Fedex.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 7):
and now this rubbish about these 777s being third hand.

??? I didnt say third hand. I said Southern Air is the third operator which apparently does not need 777Fs ordered. (AF sold just two to Fedex, China Southern didnt take two at all).


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

Are these the very first dedicated freighters for Thai?


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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11125 times:
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A388, I don't think that they will be not starting routs to south America because of ETOPS. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that rout is out of ETOPS range, unless thai goes around the ling way, through the US.


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11000 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
So where will Thai use these new freighters to?

To Europe. Last I heard Thai was still trying to decide whether to set up their European cargo hub at LGG or HHN.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):
A388, I don't think that they will be not starting routs to south America because of ETOPS. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that rout is out of ETOPS range, unless thai goes around the ling way, through the US.


I mean that Thai might use them on cargo routes from Europe to South America and back like some other cargo airlines are doing.

A388


User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10474 times:

I may be wrong but isn't this an ACMI arrangement between Southern Air and Thai so the aircraft is hardly being rejected.

UAL747-600


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 13):
I may be wrong but isn't this an ACMI arrangement between Southern Air and Thai so the aircraft is hardly being rejected.

UAL747-600

I thought so too. The aircraft is not rejected, just leased out to Thai in the same Atlas Air flies for Emirates Skycargo and other cargo airlines.

A388


User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10177 times:

Nothing RUMOURED about the Air France aircraft

Quoting RobK (Reply 7):
I've not seen anything concrete on the fate of any of them although the Air France has been RUMOURED to be going to Fedex.

PARIS (Dow Jones)--France-KLM (AF.FR) has signed a letter of intent to sell two new Boeing Co. (BA) cargo 777 aircraft to FedEx Corp. (FDX), a spokesman for Air France told Dow Jones Newswires Friday.

The new aircraft haven't been delivered to Air France and the sale won't affect the number of flights conducted by Air France's cargo division which currently operates five cargo aircraft, the spokesman added.

He declined to give a price for the aircraft. The aircraft's list price is between $252.5 million and $260.5 million.

Air France has moved to cut down on its cargo capacity in reaction to the economic downturn, which has led to a slump in business. The airline aims to bring the cargo division to break-even levels in the fiscal year 2011-2012.

-By Mimosa Spencer, Dow Jones Newswires; +33 1 40 17 17 73; mimosa.spencer@dowjones.com


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9829 times:
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Quoting dtw9 (Reply 15):
Nothing RUMOURED about the Air France aircraft

Air France still has two 777Fs to be built and delivered from the original order of five. I believe it is these two that are now going to FX and not the one currently in desert storage.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5867 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 9):
Are these the very first dedicated freighters for Thai?

No, in the past they have operated 742F of Atlas Air in previous TG livery http://www.airliners.net/photo/Thai-...d=402758af3baf4c5f3aeb9f6402673eb9

DC8F http://www.airliners.net/photo/Thai-...d=402758af3baf4c5f3aeb9f6402673eb9

and 742F by Focus Air and currently 743F by Southern Air as BKK-DXB-FRA, the latter two in Focus and Southern liveries.

[Edited 2010-02-06 08:00:18]

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

The KPAE-KVCV ferry flight used registration (N774SA) as call-sign instead of BOExxx.
Does this mean the aircraft is already owned by Oak Hill? Or that a contractor was used to operate the ferry flight?

[Edited 2010-02-06 08:35:36]


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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
Air France still has two 777Fs to be built and delivered from the original order of five. I believe it is these two that are now going to FX and not the one currently in desert storage.

The 4th one is in the desert Chris (went there on Dec 2). The 5th hasn't been built yet isn't due for some time.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8131 times:
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Quoting RobK (Reply 19):
The 4th one is in the desert Chris (went there on Dec 2).

That would explain why it doesn't show up on Boeing's delivery report for AF then.  


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 4):
Didnt know Southern Air had ordered some, just thought this is one saved from the desert. So Southern Air is already the third 777F owner after Air France and China Southern not needing them themselves.

Wow, really?!? That's some nice spin.   

Fact is Southern Air (their owner is Oak Hill, which is who bought the frames) is and has been an ACMI operation. In other words, leasing this capacity out to TG is EXACTLY what they intended to do, as it is what their company is based on.

Now it is certainly true that both CZ and AF have stored 777F's during the downturn. AF has taken delivery of 3, operate two, have one stored. The final two from their order are being sold to FX, who desperately want more. CZ, at one time, had 4 stored. 2 have since been delivered, while the other 2 are rumored to be being prepped for delivery.

Let's populate this space with facts, not speculation and opinion.

Regards,

Hamlet69   



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User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 7):
The 2x China Southern ones and 1x Air France are both still storage in the desert.

ATW in their daily newsletter announced that the 2 China Southern B777Fs were now out of storage and entering service shortly.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7311 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5279 times:
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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting Ejazz (Reply 22):
ATW in their daily newsletter announced that the 2 China Southern B777Fs were now out of storage and entering service shortly.

Nope.    ATW are probably referring their other 2 which were in storage for a while. Their first 2 are still in storage.


25 WestWing : Does anyone know whether the aircraft has been delivered to Oak Hill? FAA registry still shows it registered to mfr., but as I said earlier, the fligh
26 Post contains links and images 777way : Aviation-Design.Net:Design © modifyTemplate © Tokyo Spotter
27 413X3 : Yes Oak Hill must have purchased it and Southern pilots flew it out. Southern will operate the aircraft on behalf of Thai
28 CX flyboy : AF currently operates three 77Fs, F-GUOA,B and C. They all fly into Hong Kong regularly. F-GUOA is an all white one which was stored for a while.
29 Ejazz : Thanks for clarifying RobK. Would you know when their last 2 B777F on order will be delivered?
30 Post contains images CF6PPE : Has a corresponding message appeared (in the financial press or otherwise) saying that FedEx is intending to purchase the two subject AF frames. I am
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