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User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

I was very shocked to notice that DL not only dropped the second SEA-HNL but it moved it's soon to be only daily to what I think is the worst time. A PM dep out of SEA and a red-eye out of HNL. Why the switch? AM Dep coming back?

OGG is gone. What is going on here? AS can't pick-up the slack.

HA is still 10x weekly, however big lose of available seats now.


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User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

You must be mistaken....there are currently 2x daily flights to HNL.

DL 2219 8:15 am departure
DL 2159 6:20 pm departure



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User currently offlineToobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

I haven't checked the loads on them recently but I would assume there's enough lift with HA and AS. Maybe somebody with more knowledge can chime in

User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7695 times:

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 1):
You must be mistaken....there are currently 2x daily flights to HNL.
DL 2219 8:15 am departure
DL 2159 6:20 pm departure

Effective March 1, SEA-HNL is 1x daily.

Quoting AlexInWa (Thread starter):
I was very shocked to notice that DL not only dropped the second SEA-HNL but it moved it's soon to be only daily to what I think is the worst time. A PM dep out of SEA and a red-eye out of HNL. Why the switch?

Just FYI, all of DL's west coast stations' HNL flight schedules (except LAX) are pretty much identical for this summer: departures all leave the west coast between 5:30 and 6PM, and they all return as redeyes out of HNL departing pretty much between 9 and 11PM; the cities are SEA, PDX, SFO and SAN. LAX has a similar schedule but an additional 2 departures.

I think SEA (and PDX) summer traffic to the Islands for DL is now manageable with a single flight, perhaps due to AS's entrance in the market. (BTW, if it helps any, it appears that SEA's flight is op'd with a 753...)

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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7679 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Just FYI, all of DL's west coast stations' HNL flight schedules (except LAX) are pretty much identical for this summer: departures all leave the west coast between 5:30 and 6PM, and they all return as redeyes out of HNL departing pretty much between 9 and 11PM; the cities are SEA, PDX, SFO and SAN. LAX has a similar schedule but an additional 2 departures.

...leaving absolutely zero connections to neighboring islands. Essentially DL is selling just HNL.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 4):
...leaving absolutely zero connections to neighboring islands. Essentially DL is selling just HNL.

On the westbound flights anyway, that does seem to be their market goal. I'm sure they've taken the outer Islands situation into account when determining these schedules. Perhaps many of their customers prefer to spend a couple of days in HNL before heading off to Maui, Kauai or the Big Island from which they can just connect in HNL on the way home.

We also must remember that these HNL schedules essentially do not tie up any a/c time as they are using planes that would otherwise be RONing on the west coast; I know for sure that that is the case with the SAN-service...

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Quoting AlexInWa (Thread starter):
AS can't pick-up the slack.

Why not?

Quoting AlexInWa (Thread starter):
OGG is gone. What is going on here?

DL can't even make SLC-OGG work. If it can't pull off flights from its Western hub, where it dominates the local market and offers tremendous onward connectivity, it is not surprising that they dropped the SEA-OGG flights. While HNL sees quite a bit of higher yielding VFR and business traffic, OGG is strictly a leisure destination where almost everyone is flying on miles or rock-bottom fares. In the early 2000s, we saw several new routes - DL to ATL and SLC, TW/AA to STL then ORD, CO to IAH, even US to LAS. All of them are gone. In fact, only the largest West Coast airports - SEA, PDX, SFO, and LAX - have consistently supported OGG flights. A few other routes (US to PHX, AA to DFW, UA to ORD and AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN) also work because they feed into some very large markets with lots of O&D AND offer tremendous connectivity to the rest of the country that the major West Coast gateways do not.

Quoting AlexInWa (Thread starter):
HA is still 10x weekly

HA is VERY strong in Seattle. Rumor has it that a SEA-ANC service may soon be introduced.



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User currently offlinejkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Airlines can't just time every single flight and route to perfectly coincide with downline connections.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
DL can't even make SLC-OGG work. If

SLC-OGG has had consistently higher loads than LAX-OGG ever had/has. SLC-OGG being dropped doesn't have anything to do with lack of demand, rather it was more an operational necessity as is the timing on SEA-HNL. It has been "dropped" more than a few times in the past only to return again later in the year. Just because SLC-OGG isn't in the schedules now doesn't mean it won't make a comeback. Schedules generally aren't finalized until 90 days prior.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Quoting AlexInWa (Thread starter):
I was very shocked to notice that DL not only dropped the second SEA-HNL but it moved it's soon to be only daily to what I think is the worst time. A PM dep out of SEA and a red-eye out of HNL. Why the switch? AM Dep coming back?

OGG is gone. What is going on here? AS can't pick-up the slack.

What's going on? I have no clue, just like I don't have a clue with most of DL's Hawaii decisions. I haven't officially checked the loads recently, but SEA has historically packed two daily NW 753s. SEA-OGG seemed to be very full as well. The reason for large drop at SEA, PDX, and OGG in the past year does not make sense to me. AS must be licking their chops.

The nice thing about NW and PDX/SEA was that both used to have a morning and evening departure. Evening departures are nice rotations for airlines but not for those coming to the islands. Getting in late to HNL is more trouble in every area, and connections to the other islands are more difficult. So these flights usually wind up being the cheap, low yielding flights.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
DL can't even make SLC-OGG work.

I doubt that. I found SLC to be the most popular OGG flight when I monitored it back in August. That made sense because it was the only flight from OGG to a hub. It was an easy 1-stop flight then, and now that option is gone for most travelers. Bottom line, it was the "Gateway" for DL customers! Sometimes you wonder if DL throws darts at a dartboard when they make their add/cut decisions. At the very least, keep it seasonal. But no, they dropped it entirely (for now). We'll see if they once again bring it back. LAX may command a premium over some airports, it's still the only route they had with top competition. Yet that's the only one left.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7143 times:
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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):
Getting in late to HNL is more trouble in every area, and connections to the other islands are more difficult. So these flights usually wind up being the cheap, low yielding flights.

I vacation in Hawaii twice a year and the last thing I want to do is blow a night on a nice resort by arriving at 10:30pm. When I fly to the Islands, I want to land as early in the day possible so I can at least make the sunset and enjoy part of the day...Landing at 9:30pm/10:00pm for me is a deal breaker. Just me though...


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

The timing being as it is might not be optimal for intra-Hawaii connections, but it is an efficient use of an aircraft that might currently be RON in SEA. They can keep it flying with a turn to Hawaii. There is probably enough local traffic to fill it and enough people who either live in Hawaii coming home and/or those who want a work day in Seattle before heading to the islands. It's not too surprising to me.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):

Hawaiian to operate SEA-ANC, why?



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Quoting AlexInWa (Thread starter):
HA is still 10x weekly, however big lose of available seats now.

HA is still 10x weekly on SEA-HNL and also 7x weekly SEA-OGG

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
The timing being as it is might not be optimal for intra-Hawaii connections, but it is an efficient use of an aircraft that might currently be RON in SEA. They can keep it flying with a turn to Hawaii. ... It's not too surprising to me.

Yeah, kind of just like I said:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
I'm sure they've taken the outer Islands situation into account when determining these schedules. ... We also must remember that these HNL schedules essentially do not tie up any a/c time as they are using planes that would otherwise be RONing on the west coast; I know for sure that that is the case with the SAN-service...
Quoting n7371f (Reply 9):
Landing at 9:30pm/10:00pm for me is a deal breaker. Just me though...

Apparently lots of people don't feel that way otherwise we would never see any evening departures from the w/c; DL is certainly not the only carrier with 8:30-10:30pm arrivals in HNL.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
In fact, only the largest West Coast airports - SEA, PDX, SFO, and LAX - have consistently supported OGG flights.

You missed one, Surf'n; SAN has supported OGG flights as well but HA keeps taking the flight away whenever they need an airplane somewhere! (Both AQ and HA ran daily year-'round flights SAN-OGG for a few years; once AQ called it quits, HA started faltering with their service. The last time we lost our OGG-flight was when HA decided to start flying OAK-HNL on 9/1/2008.) HA is supposed to start SAN-OGG again this June.

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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):

DL can't even make SLC-OGG work. If it can't pull off flights from its Western hub, where it dominates the local market and offers tremendous onward connectivity, it is not surprising that they dropped the SEA-OGG flights.

NW did just fine on this route for a few years... it was only dropped after the merger along with many other routes that Delta just dropped then went oops and brought them back.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
The timing being as it is might not be optimal for intra-Hawaii connections, but it is an efficient use of an aircraft that might currently be RON in SEA. They can keep it flying with a turn to Hawaii. ... It's not too surprising to me.

Yeah, kind of just like I said:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
I'm sure they've taken the outer Islands situation into account when determining these schedules. ... We also must remember that these HNL schedules essentially do not tie up any a/c time as they are using planes that would otherwise be RONing on the west coast; I know for sure that that is the case with the SAN-service...

Oops. Um. There was an echo...


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 15):
There was an echo...

Great minds...  

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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 11):
Hawaiian to operate SEA-ANC, why?

I think that must have been a typo, my guess is that the rumor is ANC-HNL.

That said, I don't see it. AS is flying 737s ANC-HNL, and while I think there is enough demand to support them, I don't think its a big enough demand to support another entrant, let alone someone flying a widebody 767 or eventually even an A330.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 17):
I think that must have been a typo, my guess is that the rumor is ANC-HNL.

No, SEA-ANC is correct. That rumor has been floating around pretty near the surface now for quite a while; but for now it is still just a rumor...

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
No, SEA-ANC is correct. That rumor has been floating around pretty near the surface now for quite a while; but for now it is still just a rumor...
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 17):
that the rumor is ANC-HNL.
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 17):
AS is flying 737s ANC-HNL,

SEA-ANC better be a rumor, AS will kill them, literally by hourly flights. ANC-HNL will make sense since they will offer twin aisle service, hence a better product compared to AS' occasional PDX or SFO stop-overs due to 737s range problems.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2572 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
HA is VERY strong in Seattle. Rumor has it that a SEA-ANC service may soon be introduced.
Quoting AS739X (Reply 11):
Hawaiian to operate SEA-ANC, why?
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 17):
I think that must have been a typo, my guess is that the rumor is ANC-HNL.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
No, SEA-ANC is correct. That rumor has been floating around pretty near the surface now for quite a while; but for now it is still just a rumor...

Unfortunately that rumor has been killed for now. The reason it came up in the first place was that DL will be doing the 'A' checks on our 767's as they cycle through SEA. That process takes roughly 12 - 14 hours, meaning that when a plane arrived in SEA for a check it would start around midnight (after it arrived from the islands) and finish around noon to 2pm. Now (went the thinking at HA headquarters), what should we do with a 767 sitting around from 2pm until the next morning? Aha! Let's use it to fly up to ANC and back. We could do it starting in the late afternoon or dinner time, turn in ANC, and be back by 3am or so with plenty of time to prep it for the flight back to Hawaii. The problem they ran into was that if the 'A' check ran a little late, there wouldn't be a spare aircraft in SEA to do the ANC flight, and we'd just annoy a large number of passengers. So for now, it's a no-go. But maybe if they can find a way to do it, the will. Or maybe - if they could find a few more 717's - base them in SEA and start a feeder service to SEA (and maybe PDX) from places like ANC, BOI, GEG, LAS etc. etc.. Which leads to this response:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 19):
SEA-ANC better be a rumor, AS will kill them, literally by hourly flights. ANC-HNL will make sense since they will offer twin aisle service, hence a better product compared to AS' occasional PDX or SFO stop-overs due to 737s range problems.

So you think no airline should try to compete with another? AS has done it against HA with a marginal aircraft, yet they aren't bleeding badly from the fight. Why shouldn't HA try going to ANC? Yes, AS has more flights, more entrenched loyalty, and years of experience flying ANC-SEA. But the same could be said for HA's service to Hawaii before AS entered the market. There's also the fact that many Alaska residents do not like the way AS treats them, or the fares they have to pay to fly AS (and I can say I've seen this first hand after living in Fairbanks for a year not too long ago). Competition is a good thing, right? Now, how many passengers do you think HA could entice over to us from AS via competitive pricing, excellent service, and an option to what is now essentially a monopoly route? Think about this - here in the Pacific Northwest when someone mentions a flight to Mexico, everyone assumes it's AS. AS???? to Mexico??? What does 'Alaska' have to do with Seattle-Mazatlan? or Portland-Cabo? or San Francisco-Puerto Vallarta? The answer is that AS found people will fly an airline that offers what they want, at an affordable fare. The name on the side of the fuselage is only secondary. And after that airline has established itself, it can become a household name in a market it never even thought of serving a few years earlier. That is why I think HA could make a good name for itself flying SEA-ANC, and maybe even more 'non-traditional' routes that people would only scoff at today. Will it happen? Who knows. But never count out an airline that has shown it knows how to make money, even when the overall economy is failing.

HAL



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5707 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 20):
The reason it came up in the first place was that DL will be doing the 'A' checks on our 767's as they cycle through SEA. That process takes roughly 12 - 14 hours, meaning that when a plane arrived in SEA for a check it would start around midnight (after it arrived from the islands) and finish around noon to 2pm.

Why wouldn't HA fly the airplane as a late afternoon departure back to HNL...depart SEA around 4PM?


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):

That would be a bloodbath HA doesn't need. After turning a nice profit recently, why try that route? HA needs to focus on Hawaii and or routes feeding Hawaii.

HNL-ANC would be a return to the market, correct? I remember seeing HA DC-10's in ANC back a while back.

**Maybe if HA tried HNL-ANC and tagged on FAI cataring to military a few times a week. Just thinking outside the box!!



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5411 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 20):
Why shouldn't HA try going to ANC?

HAL, you have to go back a few decades to figure out why HA will loose that battle. Many other airlines entered SEA-ANC market to compete with AS, as you can see they are all extinct. AS will be successful in Hawaii routes because Alaskans have property in Hawaii, Alaskan love to go to Hawaii. How many Hawaiians travel to Alaska? Alaskans are loyal to AS even they bitch about the company. Sure I would love to see someone competing there like WN. But in order to compete with AS you have to break their monopoly inside AK.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5336 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 22):
**Maybe if HA tried HNL-ANC and tagged on FAI cataring to military a few times a week. Just thinking outside the box!!

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25 Wedgetail737 : Yeah...the likes of Wien, Mark Air and Reeve Aleutian have been long gone. If HA were to start SEA-ANC, it wouldn't last very long. I still think HA
26 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : If their only goal is to fill the time of an airplane, I think they would be just fine. There's a lot of demand SEA-ANC, and they could even handle s
27 GentFromAlaska : Once daily on a 767 between SEA-ANC, would be a true test of the faithful. The masses would flock over. Its not rocket science. Mark Air shot themsel
28 HAL : Just like AS should focus on Alaska or routes feeding Alaska? Where does LAX-ACA or SFO-MZT fit into 'focus on Alaska'? If an airline is successful,
29 AS739X : Where did I mention anything about name branding and locations? Is LAX to any Mexico route between hubs and saturated with up to 25 daily flights lik
30 HAL : AS flying SEA-Hawaii, PDX-Hawaii, OAK-Hawaii, is an attempt to take away HA traffic because that is where the majority of our traffic is. Interisland
31 AS739X : That's not what I was talking about though. I said between hubs, as in ANC-SEA. You don't see AS operating HNL-OGG picking up locals! AS doing Hub -
32 PlanesNTrains : So Alaska is fine flying Mainland-Hawaii, which is HAL's bread and butter, but Hawaiian flying "Mainland-Anchorage", which is AS's bread and butter,
33 AS739X : Well Dave, thank you for putting word in my mouth. No you heard incorrectly. Hawaii was started for the above reason which you may have missed since y
34 TK787 : Couple months ago I was looking for a SEA-ANC fare, and a cheaper one stop fare popped up. Just out of curiosity I wanted to know where AS would do a
35 PlanesNTrains : I don't think that was ever my intention. Yes, I missed a few posts while doing other things away from the computer. I see you clarified what you mea
36 AS739X : Capacity was never an issue at the time these decision were made. When Mexico was slow, AK was high and could use the aircraft there anytime. Hawaii w
37 Wedgetail737 : Don't forget SMF-Hawaii and SJC-Hawaii. I think it would make sense to see AS do SAN-Hawaii. I thought Mark Air's demise was their effort to fly thro
38 AirNovaBAe146 : I think that must have been a typo, my guess is that the rumor is ANC-HNL. That said, I don't see it. AS is flying 737s ANC-HNL, and while I think th
39 Wedgetail737 : Yes...back in the DC-10 days, HA flew LAS-LAX and briefly LAS-ONT.
40 HALFA : Yes we have had several. In addition to the above, we used to fly our L-1011 aircraft from SFO-SMF-SFO. We also flew DC-10s from PDX to LAX. In the S
41 Post contains images HAL : And in addition to the scheduled flights mentioned in the two previous posts, HA used to fly an extensive charter operation with DC-8's all around th
42 Post contains links and images rgreenftm : I'm struck a bit by how much we seem to know what is best for an airline, and how they will play their cards....how about a trip down memory lane  Al
43 PlanesNTrains : That would have been cool. I would have loved to have been bumped in HNL! I'll take your word for it, as I'm just going by what I read other AS'ers s
44 Wedgetail737 : I flew QQ quite a bit during their existence...just not on the SEA-ANC line. In fact, I flew SFO-SEA RT (before the SJC hub) for a whopping $22 once
45 GentFromAlaska : JNU (Juneau) not a problem. The Air Force landed a C-5A Galaxy there with room to spare. KTN (Ketchikan) I would say yes. Sitka probably not.
46 AlexInWa : Couldn't agree more. NW used to fill two daily DC10's. CO recently had 3x daily SEA-ANC Again couldn't agree more. LOVED QQ!!! Back to the post,.....
47 Wedgetail737 : That's soon to be 2X SEA-OGG. I can't remember when.
48 SANFan : Not to divert too far off course on this thread but do any of you AS experts know if the carrier's Hawaii-expansion is pretty much over now or are the
49 Wedgetail737 : I'm hoping for SAN-OGG or maybe SEA-ITO.
50 Post contains images EA CO AS : From HNL, sure. From SEA, though? AS will not only kill HA in that market, but it would give them reason to consider deploying QX for inter-island op
51 Post contains images HALFA : Kind of like Alaska's recent incursion into the Hawaii markets has given HA reason to consider deploying a 767 to fly from SEA to ANC.   Aloha, HALF
52 Post contains images EA CO AS :    Except all the AS service links existing AS hubs and/or focus cities - neither of which can be said for SEA-ANC service by HA.
53 HAL : What you're missing is that HA doesn't have hubs or focus cities. Pretty much all our traffic is O&D - as is most of AS's ANC-SEA traffic. Yet we
54 Post contains images EA CO AS : Hogwash. And I congratulate HA on that - however don't get too cocky, as you're less than 10 years removed from a Chapter 11 filing that almost resul
55 HALFA : You've got to be kidding! In the past two years, AS has started or will start new service to Hawaii from SEA, PDX, OAK, SMF, and SJC, in direct compe
56 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : And to think I always thought Chester and Pualani would have made a great couple (well, at least for Chester).   Turns out they would have never gott
57 Wedgetail737 : Direct competition? AS flies to other Hawaiian destinations from SJC and SMF. OAK is only for two months and hardly counts with their flights to OGG.
58 Post contains images HALFA : Of course the new AS Hawaii service is direct competition with HA. Let's face it, there are not hordes of people travelling from the Sacramento metro
59 Post contains images HAL : Chester?! Geez, all along I'd thought you were honoring Barbara Bush!   HAL
60 PlanesNTrains : Well, I think he was a bush pilot. Does that count? -Dave
61 EA CO AS : And again, the only reason AS has offered service in those markets is because they're either existing hubs or focus cities where AS and/or QX have qu
62 Wedgetail737 : Can't argue that. Aside of the subject matter, I was getting worried that this thread was on the brink of becoming personal to some...if you know wha
63 as739x : Just out of curiousity HAL and HALFA. For grins can you explain to me how this SEA-ANC of yours will work (a/c type,time,frequency)? Since this whole
64 HAL : Take a look back at my reply #20 - that has the explanation on why they were thinking of doing it. It would have been on a 763, and as far as the sch
65 Wedgetail737 : All I can say is "I'll believe it when I see it."
66 SANFan : Other than competition, which would be my first guess -- there sure seem to be lots of seats now between SEA and the Islands -- I also wonder if perh
67 as739x : Agreed! Post like "Hawaiian Posts Largest Profit In Company History" by HALFA won't last long! HAL and HALFA Gentleman I want you just understand my
68 HAL : I agree, and am surprised you consider our posts hostile. We are only responding to what (to us) seem like an uninformed reaction to mention of HA fl
69 Wedgetail737 : I never would have thought HA would fly out of OAK. OAK can't keep widebody service to save its life after the loss of WO, PE and Martinair. But I wa
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