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Any Guess On What The Next Southwest City Will Be.  
User currently offlineUS Air/TWA Fan From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 125 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Southwest said it will announce within a week that it has choosen a new city to fly to this fall.

The only clue SWA left us is that it is east of the Mississippi River.

Any guess on the city?

My guesses:

Very Likely:
Dayton, Ohio (high fares/less service)
Allentown, PA (same/near Philly)
Richmond, VA (same)
Harrisburg, PA (same)
Knoxville, TN (same)

Less likely:
Milwaukee, Wis. (but: close to MDW, Midwest Express hub)
Myrtle Beach or Charleston, SC (but: leisure destination w/small population base)
Syracuse or Rochester, NY (but: close to Buffalo)



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User currently offlineJsheldon From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Hopefully Stewart/Newburgh Intl. Airport in New York is in the mix for SWA.

User currently offlineAl319 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Uhm...does anyone know why Southwest doesnt fly to GA?


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

How I wish....oh how I wish WN would begin service to Fresno (FAT), CA-from LAX and/or ONT.

Are there any cities left in the West that WN might consider going into, or are they as big as they are going to get out here?


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3186 times:
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I'd go with Greenville/Spartanburg or Columbia, South Carolina in that order. With great interstate highway access, GSP could easily attract traffic from US's high fare hub at Charlotte and from the northern part of the metropolitan Atlanta area, along with folks in the Asheville/Hendersonville area. If you look at a map of cities served by Southwest there's a huge gap in the area of GSP and CAE.

Someone pointed out Southwest's affinity for state capitols so Columbia may have an edge there.


DB



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User currently offlineAirbusluver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Southwest dosen't fly to Georgia because of Delta and Airtran at ATL, and the other Georgia cities (Savannah, Macon, Augusta) are bot big enough to support service.

I believe their next destination is either Allentown or Richmond.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

All good guesses..especially Richmond and Milwaukee. Southwest's new executive team (Parker/ Barrett) recently told Aviation Week that they'd like to add at least two more cities in the Northeast soon, so Rochester (bigger population, higher median income and healthier economy than Syracuse) and Allentown or Trenton (draw from Philly, NYC) are likeliest in my view in that region.

Richmond is also a good possibility. High fares/ bad service, medium-size population base, and at the intersection of two interstates....could draw from Norfolk area to east, Charlottesville etc to west. Norfolk is bigger but not as well located, so maybe a tossup between RIC and ORF.

The presence of Midwest Express would not, IMO, likely deter WN from entering MKE. Midex does not serve BWI, and only has Skyway service to STL, both very likely destinations if WN came to MKE. Also, I don't think Midex is big enough for WN to want to avoid.

Jim



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

I have it on good authority that it will NOT be Colorado Springs!

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Here's a thought on the Richmond-Norfolk question:

AirTran serves Newport News Williamsburg Airport, about 10 miles up I-64 from the City of Norfolk. If Southwest were to come to the Norfolk area, I bet they'd fly there instead of ORF. It's much easier to get to from Richmond because one doesn't have to traverse either of the clogged tunnels under Hampton Roads. And people in Norfolk and Virginia Beach would no doubt still use it, as they use AirTran.

Folks coming from out of town, though, might like not having to use the tunnels, and Newport News Airport would make a WN station more attractive to them. What think y'all?

Jim




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User currently offlineCharlieduke From United States of America, joined May 2001, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

This is my very first post on airliners.net so I’d better get it right. The next city will be in …… (drum roll please)……Virginia. I base this on information from “well placed sources.” Well, that and a dart board.  Big grin To MattD—FAT is going to have to wait along with COS. They will be the next western cities to get WN, but WN is racing other low fare carriers to establish a presence in the east. Don’t expect them to look west for a couple more years.

User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

I would say ABE, but it has been circulating for years. TTN has runways that are too short for any serious flying. Good luck to whoever is chosen.

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

I read somewhere that CVG could be a target considering Comair's troubles. It probably won't happen, but it's an interesting possibility.

User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

TYS
RIC
or an ATL burb!


User currently offlineGlobetrotter From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Oh, please let it be ORF! All of us 'Southsiders' in Hampton Roads would be very grateful. DCA-ROCguy mentioned PHF across the Bay in Newport News. It's a nice new facility that could use some more traffic, but I'm not sure it would meet Southwest's criteria. From my memories of flying out of PHF, there are only four gates and no jetways. Also, while WN's operations would undoubtedly bring more traffic through PHF, I don't know that it would be enough to generate the eight departures per day that WN desires. AirTran's success (or lack thereof) at PHF might be an indication of this. Does anyone know what loads are for FL out of PHF?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Actually Savannah would be a good choice for them. It's far enough away from ATL and is close to several vacation destinations, Hilton Head and the GA Barrier Islands. Virginia has been trying for some time to get Southwest to fly into the state, even going as far as to put up a Virginia is for Lovers billboard by Love Field. Richmond does make sense and sits in an ideal place for flights. RIC is deserving of a low-fare airline. The last lowfare airline to operate flights into RIC was AirTran, and they suspended those over two years ago. Now Columbia S.C. would also be a logical choice. Other than Delta's mainline flights to ATL, the only other operators are regional carriers flying to CLT or ATL. BHM has been very good for Southwest. They get people driving 2 hours from ATL to catch a WN flight. Columbia would get the folks in Augusta no problem, especially considering that it has been downgraded to regional service by the other airlines, and their last low-fare airline was Valujet. Whatever city that gets Southwest to serve their city will be lucky indeed.

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3178 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Worcester


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User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Question for those of you more in the know about WN....I have heard that WN need to schedule at least 5 flights daily to make a new city work, then I have heard 10? Is there a magic number? Or do demographics play a different role at WN?

I don't think that FAT could support (profitably) 5,much less 10 WN flights per day without totally decimating the profitability of the rest of the jet flights(AA to DFW, UX toDEN, DL to SLC and HP to PHX, AS to SEA) and probably the loss of much of that service. MY point?..I think there are cities that want WN and believe that it will improve service/fares/etc., but in reality it may not work out that way at all.

While the central valley area has a good population base, our demographics for disposable income/ large corporate HQ's, etc. suck. Bottom line is, like your Gransmother probably said, be careful what you wish for..you just might get it.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

So what if Southwest 'decimates the profitability' of the rest of the High-Fare Six Families at FAT? WN by themselves would probably offer more seat capacity to FAT than everyone else together offers now.

Let's imagine that WN entered FAT. From FAT, WN would probably serve OAK, LAX, and PHX. PHX is their biggest hub, and Fresnonians could get to a ton of places from there. The Six Families would still offer RJ and turboprop service to their hubs, so Fresnonians wouldn't lose the opportunity to pay inflated fares to all the places Southwest doesn't fly.

The Six Families like their extortion-fares feed from the small and medium markets. They'll take whatever they cang get, whether there's enough of it to fill four A320's a day or four Beechcraft 1900's. Case in point is Islip/ Long Island, which isnt' quite big enough to consistently support Six Families jet service. After Southwest entered, the Six Families ended remaining narrowbody-jet service (except for Delta Express). But there is still turboprop and RJ service to Six Families hubs, just so that Lon-Ghilanders can pay inflated fares to get to all those places WN doesn't fly. Check the timetables.

This "Southwest hurts competition" argument because it supplants a lot of Six Families service at smaller medium-size airports is completely bogus. BO-GUS.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

I wish WN would come to MSP. They are the only major airline not flying here.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Where it WILL NOT BE:

1.) Worcester, MA - Sorry Zrs70. WN serves BDL, MHT, and PVD, all of which are a 1 hour drive from Worcester
2.) Allentown, PA - There is no terminal space avail.

Where it CAN BE:
1.) Atlanta - Peachtree DeKalb. I think people in ATL might like Delta's selection, but certainly not their prices (over $400 for Restricted Economy for ATL-SAV-ATL)
2.) Trenton - Underserved market (only Shuttle America), close to PHL and NYC Metro Area, and its 6006 ft runway could handle 737s, as I have taken off in a fully loaded 777 from BOS to LHR on 6000 ft of runway, so a 733 or 735 should be no problem.
3.) Richmond - Close to the Washington area, but not bad for Norfolk area too.

Jeff


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

"Fresnonians"??? That one made me laugh.

BTW, I happen to agree that other flights won't be decimated if WN flew to FAT. WN generally increases all traffic, and doesn't necessarily take it away from other airlines.


User currently offlinePhilh83 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Whatever the new city is, lets hope it serves ISP!

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

I think Fresnonians are the race on Star Trek Deep Space Nine who have big ears and like to make money. :+)

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineABQ757 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3041 times:

Out of all the cities mentioned, I think that RIC is the best choice. Like everyone has said, it's close to DC and Norfolk is close by. I like MKE too, and Midwest Express isn't big enough to scare WN away. MSP is out of the question, with Northwest's hub there they will not have a chance.

Gabe


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3037 times:

I think it would be worthy for WN to go to ABE, and invest some money in there and lull out some users of PHL, its only an hour drive and I think it has potential

TTN will almost undoubtedly be out, because have you seen the pax terminal there? its tiny-2 jetways I think...WN would need more room, the interior isnt that big either...

I would love to see ABE as the next destination, they could put a dent into US to SoFla and other loaded markets from there...

Greg



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25 Post contains images AerLingus : They're Fresnans, guys. WN will not harm the other competition out of FAT. The big six already operate a very large number of flights to LAX and SFO,
26 747buff : "MSP is out of the question, with Northwest's hub there they will not have a chance." They serve DTW, so why not MSP?
27 Charlieduke : Boy, you Fresnoids don’t give up! But when it comes to WN, that’s a good thing. While on first glance FAT would seem to be a good fit - ov
28 Post contains images TWAneedsNOhelp : TTN would be awesome! Way to maximize traffic out of under-served airports. I have a feeling RIC is likely, as that will bulk up WN's meager midatlant
29 Post contains images DSMav8r : I would really like to se DSM with WN service... However, due to geographical bias and it's somewhat close proximity to larger cities such as Omaha an
30 Gsoflyer : Southwest is till in talks with GSO.... even with Raleigh not too far away, Greensboro is quite a draw with sporting events, tons of college kids, the
31 VirginA340 : They should fly to SJU. Once TWA is gone the fares will continue to sky roket with only AA and CO in the game.
32 Post contains links LoneStarMike : My guess is ORF. Both ORF and RIC are currently in the process of expanding their respective facilites. There was some info on the RIC airport expansi
33 Lowfareair : OK, so we found out one thing during this topic: no one knows for sure. Holes were found in just about every destination. It could be RIC, ABE, ROC, o
34 Us330 : Well, when they chose Hartford as a destination, it was rumored that Allentown finished a close second in the running. Greensboro-Spartanburg is cryin
35 Gsoflyer : Do you mean Greensboro and Spartanburg, or Greenville-Spartanburg. I knew Greensboro (Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem) had the CO lite hub 3 years
36 Bigmikenice : I'm not convinced that by having just 1 gate availbale, SW would pass up on a city. Especially if there are concrete plans for expansion. Here in PVD,
37 DALMD88 : To DeltAirlines: PDK would seem to be a logical choice for WN in Atlanta, but the nimbys will not allow pax service into pdk. Only non scheduled servi
38 Post contains links LoneStarMike : I had asked earlier in this thread if anyone knew why ORF's passenger traffic jumped in 1994, then fell off in 1995 and has yet to achieve levels of s
39 747buff : Colorado Springs would be a good choice, being close enough to DEN. (We all know it will be a cold day in hell when SW returns to DEN.)
40 BNE : My top choices are based on what has been said. 1. Daytona to pick up on Comair traffic without really going head to head in competition. 2. Cincinnat
41 Wolfpacker : Which cities would they start flying to? east cost - MCO, BWI, MDW midwest - BWI, MDW, MCI
42 Matt D : I just have to keep beating a dead horse. Fresno: I still think it could work. All of the formulas for a Southwest city are present. Why not Southwest
43 Ex NWA : #1 RIC Very easy interstate highway access, state capital, less than 2 hour drive from Washington or Norfolk. Prince William, Stafford Counties, and a
44 DIA : Whatever happened to Colorado Springs?
45 Srbmod : The only cities Southwest would even consider in the state of Georgia are Savannah and Augusta. There have been attempts in the past to start schedule
46 Post contains links LoneStarMike : In the FWIW category - this may be a clue; then again, it may just be wishful thinking on Virginia's part, but there was an interesting comment made i
47 Wolfpacker : Anyone have any news?
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