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Please Take 5 Sec To Vote For Airport Project  
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
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My beloved home airport (KARB - Ann Arbor, Michigan) is facing some strong opposition from NIMBYs regarding a proposal to add an additional 800 feet to the main 3500 foot runway. Opponents seem to think that the runway extension will endanger the surrounding communities and attract 747s to the traffic pattern.

If you see the value associated with investing in a valuable municipal airport, please take 5 seconds to place your vote in favor of the runway expansion project:

http://www.annarbor.com/news/debate-...ion-at-ann-arbor-airport-heats-up/

In addition, I'd be interested to hear educated opinions on the project. My view is that expanding a runway of this size by the amount proposed will attract a decent amount of potential users to the airport. People flying aircraft that are currently limited in payload and/or range by the current 3500 foot runway, and who, as a result, are not able to use ARB in an effective manner.

I'd love to hear educated opinions on this particular point of view....whether it makes sense, or whether I'm way off base.

Thanks very much for your time!


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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

FWIW..IF there are operators that would guarantee use, but currently do not (maybe they use DTW), that would provide a revenue stream to help cover the cost and increase sales taxes , etc at that airport, then yes, maybe it is worth it.

ON the other hand, if it is just for "getting the money for us" type deal (Pork Barrel Spending) then NO. There probably are a number of projects that are awaiting funding that have a higher cost/ benefit ratio.


User currently offlinelaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

If I were living in the area I would strongly oppose the runway lenghtening.

While things might be bad today with GA traffic, potentialy runway lenghtening could bring in louder and faster jet traffic.
A nearby community airport here in SoCal (Santa Monica) is seeing a continued shift to jet traffic which I can tell you first hand are much louder, and also present potential for much more dangerous accidents. We've already had several GA planes go down off the airport and shuder to think when the first jet accident happens.

Knowing the Ann Arbor area, I'll guarantee it will see shift of traffic to it if the runways were long enough from places like Willow Run and Detroit Metro.



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User currently onlines4popo From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting laxintl (Reply 2):
A nearby community airport here in SoCal (Santa Monica) is seeing a continued shift to jet traffic which I can tell you first hand are much louder, and also present potential for much more dangerous accidents. We've already had several GA planes go down off the airport and shuder to think when the first jet accident happens.

Are you suggesting an airport with a 4300 feet runway will have more accidents than an airport with a 3500 feet runway? What about an airport with a 7000 feet runway? I don't follow your logic.


User currently offlinelaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

In essence an airport that has more concrete tends to attract more traffic, which would increase the potential incidence of accidents.

If Ann Arbor extends its runway, it might also attract in new forms of traffic such as jet use which by their nature tend to have more catastrophic accidents and impacts on communities.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
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I could care less since I am far from ARB, but I voted "yes" anyways  


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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
I could care less since I am far from ARB, but I voted "yes" anyways

As did I..I'm glad I could have the opportunity to air my voice regarding increasing safety



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting laxintl (Reply 2):
If I were living in the area I would strongly oppose the runway lenghtening.


More than that, regardless of how I felt about the project, I would resent those who don't live in my area participating in a decision that doesn't effect them.

[Edited 2010-02-08 18:32:45]

User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

I am bumping this topic back up to the top, just for the simple reason that this is important.

I have flown into ARB more times than I can count, and I am glad that they are taking the time to further improve the airport and its facilities.

For the naysayers out there, keep in mind this important tidbit. In order to facilitate the provision of the future of the aviation industry (aka pilots), small airports must keep running. Last time I checked, most pilots come from small fields such as ARB, not the airports that you fly into day in and day out (DTW, ATL, ORD etc). The aviation board/port authority at ARB clearly see a financial need to extend the runway in order to keep ARB open. Yes, this may be one airport, however, this is just one example of many that see the need to stay afloat. Check the stats of the closure of small airfields between 1980 and today. It will astound you the massive drop in smaller airports.

I really recommend the documentary 16R: The Romance of Flying, because imo this illustrates my point to a T. The noise that you hear outside of your home may be irritating, but have you ever considered to stop and think about what that flight is doing? It could be LifeFlight, transporting a critical patient to a facility that may not be close to where you live. It could be helicopters flying to give aid to law enforcement or fire departments on the street below. The list could go on and on.

And while this may not be your particular community, imo it is still important for everyone in the aviation community to reach out and help other communities. Not only to keep the infrastructure afloat but to educate those who may not realize how important aviation is to not only our economy but our lives.

xjr



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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
I could care less since I am far from ARB, but I voted "yes" anyways

This is why I didn't vote. If it does not affect me at all, I just won't discuss on it, thus undermining those with real concerns.



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