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User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Hey everyone! Does anyone have any information regarding the TWA terminal at JFK? Originally it was suppose to open along with the opening of the new T5 in 2008 and then in 2008 it was supposed to open in 2009 and now its 2010 and its still just sitting there! I'm glad an icon of the jet age was preserved but if its just going to sit there rotting away until the end of the world it might as well have been demolished.

Had I been the architect who designed the new T5 (I am an architecture student so I'm not totally being an armchair architect right now haha) I would have designed the new T5 a lot differently. In my own opinion, the new T5 has to be one of the most hideous pieces of 21st century architecture. But the new T5 is built, nothing is changing lol. My idea for the old T5 is it could be used as an "overflow" drop off point or a Taxi drop off point... Any ideas?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Quoting M11Stephen (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any information regarding the TWA terminal at JFK?

Are you talking about the jetBlue T5....??? It opened early last year....



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Are you talking about the jetBlue T5....??? It opened early last year....

I guess he is talking about the old terminal


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Quoting M11Stephen (Thread starter):
Hey everyone! Does anyone have any information regarding the TWA terminal at JFK?

Its open!



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User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 2):
I guess he is talking about the old terminal

Thats what I'm talking about.

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 3):
Its open!

IS IT REALLY? When did it open? And what is it being used for?!?



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 4):
IS IT REALLY? When did it open? And what is it being used for?!?

It opened October 2008.. it was designed into part of the new construction. Try Google.. it is your friend.

[Edited 2010-02-08 19:31:31]


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3544 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

It is NOT open. Still be renovated. I don't know what they are doing, but they are always working.

User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
It opened October 2008.. it was designed into part of the new construction. Try Google.. it is your friend.

It definitely didn't open in 2008 along with the new T5...



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
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no, TWA flight center, the iconic part of the old terminal, did not open with the rest of the new terminal. When I was there over the summer they were doing construction inside the building, but it is supposed to eventually be apart of the terminal as the drop-off piont.


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
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How many gates did the orginal TW terminal have? Widebody capable?

User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
How many gates did the orginal TW terminal have? Widebody capable?

Here is a map of T5 and T6 from TWA's May 1998 schedule
http://www.twahistory.com/wordpress/...09/twa-schedule-may98-page7-wm.jpg

TWA flew 747's, L-1011's, and 767's thru JFK.
Here's a youtube showing TWA's terminals in 1992.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRUJTheYTCc

(note - the sound is disabled)


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4277 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
It opened October 2008.. it was designed into part of the new construction. Try Google.. it is your friend.

Maybe you should try msn, EMBQA, because the Saarinen building at JFK is most certainly NOT open. At least to customers. I was lucky enough to get a brief tour inside the old terminal last year and besides the lonely security nightwatchmen, it was completely empty. I was not allowed to take pictures but trust me, it is sort of eerie in there. Lots of TWA stuff all over the place - it looks much like it did the day they handed the building back to the PANYNJ. What really surprised me is that nobody could really tell me much about the future - it doesn't sound like anything concrete has been ironed out.

I haven't been to JFK in a few months, actually, as my job travel has been toned down lately. But it is my understanding that nothing much has changed at the Saarinen building and there are still no firm plans for opening the old building to the public.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 11):
Maybe you should try msn, EMBQA, because the Saarinen building at JFK is most certainly NOT open

I got confused because I see them as two separate buildings. T5... which is indeed open. The old TWA Flight Center is not.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 11):
Lots of TWA stuff all over the place - it looks much like it did the day they handed the building back to the PANYNJ.

I wonder what they're going to do with all that stuff. If they're just going to chuck, I'm gunna start a movement to save at least somthing from the place, such as the gold TWA lettering that was on the walls...if there's anything else, I'd LOVE to know.



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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 6):
I don't know what they are doing, but they are always working.

I believe that at least part of the activity is asbestos removal, not sure about the rest.

I haven't seen anything in the press for months about what PANYNJ has decided to do with the Saarinen building - last I heard JetBlue had dropped all plans to have any sort of check-in facilities there. If I had to take a SWAG, I'd say it'll wind up becoming some sort of museum.


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

My understanding is that the Saarinen building cannot be torn down as it is on the NRHP.

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 14):
If I had to take a SWAG, I'd say it'll wind up becoming some sort of museum.

Would be my guess also.



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4277 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 15):
Would be my guess also.

My guess to, perhaps with a snack bar or restaurant.
Whatever it is, it has to bring in some revenue for the Port Authority. HVAC and other utilities are not free!

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 14):
I believe that at least part of the activity is asbestos removal, not sure about the rest.

That could be true. Asbestos removal is very time consuming and expensive.



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 13):
I wonder what they're going to do with all that stuff. If they're just going to chuck, I'm gunna start a movement to save at least somthing from the place, such as the gold TWA lettering that was on the walls...if there's anything else, I'd LOVE to know

Both the interior and exterior of the terminal is a national landmark. I'm pretty sure that all the TWA stuff is included in the landmark status.

Are there any plans for T6 or is that going to be sitting empty for the foreseeable future too?



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 17):
Are there any plans for T6 or is that going to be sitting empty for the foreseeable future too?

I though B6 is still using that terminal?



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 18):
I though B6 is still using that terminal?

Nope. T6 closed when B6 moved into the new T5.



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User currently offlineNYC-air From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

I'm seeing an "enclosed passageway" between T5 & T6 on there? Anyone remember it? What was it like?

User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting NYC-air (Reply 20):
I'm seeing an "enclosed passageway" between T5 & T6 on there? Anyone remember it? What was it like?

The enclosed passageway was not much more than glorified temporary scaffolding. International arrivals was in T5 and passengers connecting to several domestic TWA flights would have to schlep over to T6 with their bags to check-in and board flights at that terminal. It was not heated and so in winter you would get the elements on you and was particularly miserable when it rained or snowed. I had to make a mad dash through this corridor with rough cement floor, poor signage and florescent lighting trying to make a connection to PIT in December 1989 and I can tell you it was a poorly designed and built piece of infrastucture.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 21):
and I can tell you it was a poorly designed and built piece of infrastucture.

I can agree to this, back in 1992 my family was 2 hours late arriving into JFK from DEN and SLC on our way to ATH and we were hauling our junk all the way from the west end of T6 to the FlightCenter. UGH, Summers were not fun in that wretched little hallway either...



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4277 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 21):
I had to make a mad dash through this corridor with rough cement floor, poor signage and florescent lighting trying to make a connection to PIT in December 1989 and I can tell you it was a poorly designed and built piece of infrastucture.

  
It was designed to a price and not for aesthetics or comfort.
Running alongside the walkway was a massive bag conveyor system that apparently didn't work all the time... I heard it used to take up to 15 minutes for a bag to be checked in at T5 to make the sorting area at T6! I think it is fair to say that TWA may have been a glorious airline in its heydey, but the JFK arrangement (when the airline used both terminals) was far from good.

Funny how you remember a flight connection from more that 20 years ago - must have been a hell of an experience! Fortunately I never got to be stuck using this device. I was always coming or going at JFK!



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User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 23):
Funny how you remember a flight connection from more that 20 years ago - must have been a hell of an experience! Fortunately I never got to be stuck using this device. I was always coming or going at JFK!

Yes, sometimes you remember mundane details which ordinarily one would not pay attention to. I had just arrived from LHR at JFK, flight was nearly 3 hours delayed at LHR, it was the 1st anniversary of Lockerbie that day so remember it well and the insane rush through endless corridors and wrong turns trying to get to T6 to make my connection at the very last minute.



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