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Open Skies - New Route Announced!  
User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15902 times:

And it is.........................

ORY - IAD

Tickets for the DC-Paris route go on sale February 9. OpenSkies will begin offering 5 flights per week between DC and Paris in May, and plans to increase the frequency of flights in the coming months. OpenSkies will continue to provide 17 flights per week on its NYC - ORY route.

[Edited 2010-02-09 03:31:48]

[Edited 2010-02-09 03:38:11]

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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15790 times:

Dang it BASTEW, You beat me to it lol.

Good news from Openskies  


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15638 times:

LOL sorry.

Hope this route works for them.....not sure how the competition is out of Paris to DC. The Open Skies Chief Exec seems to think it will be a success:

“The increasing cachet of Washington D.C. has created a demand for unique, premium travel options at competitive rates,” said Dale Moss, Chief Executive Officer of OpenSkies.
“Travelers want to receive better value, which means they want better products at better prices – and that’s just what we offer. By presenting greater value than traditional business class, OpenSkies will provide the Washington D.C. metro area with a new and better way to travel to Paris in style.”


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15559 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 2):
Hope this route works for them.....not sure how the competition is out of Paris to DC. The Open Skies Chief Exec seems to think it will be a success:

I think the new service will do well. For Summer 2010, UA will operate IAD-CDG daily (B772). AF will operate IAD-CDG 18x weekly, (2x daily B772 and 4x weekly A-330).


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15406 times:

Well, it is nice to see EC expanding but I would have preferred another EU-EWR route. And I still really do not understand why EC is still a brand on its own. It can be a BA franchisee while keeping its cost base.


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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15101 times:

Does anyone thing a Paris-DXB or Paris-DME would work as well?

User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14879 times:

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 5):
Does anyone thing a Paris-DXB or Paris-DME would work as well?

DXB, possibly. But with the economic fallout there recently, and the domination of EK i'm not so sure.

As for DME. I'd doubt it. Most carriers offer an intra-european or 'medium haul' product on flights from european cities to Moscow. I think those flat beds could possibly go to waste on a 3:45 flight.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14845 times:
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With the 757's Paris to the US east cost, Chicago, Detroit or Montreal and Toronto are possible markets. Miami and Florida are too far south for a 757 from Europe. Paris to Middle East markets seem possible, Doha and Dubai could work.

User currently offlineCDG From France, joined Sep 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14389 times:

Quoting BAStew (Thread starter):
ORY - IAD

IAD is one of the Top Premium routes for AF.
A380 service is planned, wonder if that will happen now, would be an interesting battle.


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12932 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Miami and Florida are too far south for a 757 from Europe

I think MIA is well covered for now. Both AA (763ER) and AF (744) have a daily to CDG and starting this June; Corsair will have daily (I believe) service to MIA from ORY using their high density 744. Perhaps adding another carrier would it be too much? what do you guys think?



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12859 times:

A great turnaround for them, from a year ago.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8537 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12507 times:
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Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 5):
Does anyone thing a Paris-DXB or Paris-DME would work as well?

Dont forget that Open Skies is a British owned/controlled airline - expansion outside the EU-US open skies area would require bilaterals which are flexible on ownership restrictions - does anyone know whether that is the case with either of the above services ?



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11671 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 6):
As for DME. I'd doubt it. Most carriers offer an intra-european or 'medium haul' product on flights from european cities to Moscow. I think those flat beds could possibly go to waste on a 3:45 flight

In my opinion it may work.
There are not so many options from DME to Paris.
AF & SU have got all traffic from SVO.


User currently offlineSolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 974 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11493 times:

Paris is totally overrated although I am fond of other French cities where the people are actually very friendly. I would not be surprised if AF moved the A380 to IAD. It would beat everyone's cost per seat and Dulles is well adapted to handle an A380. I am a little surprised at the traffic on this route but I suppose it beats connecting through LHR (not taking into consideration thew new terminal).

User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11249 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
I think the new service will do well. For Summer 2010, UA will operate IAD-CDG daily (B772). AF will operate IAD-CDG 18x weekly, (2x daily B772 and 4x weekly A-330).



Even though AF has always been popular in the DC region, many passengers flying are connecting through. Last time I flew, 2/3 of my plane connected to Africa, the Middle East, to eastern Europe, and to the Caucasus. Other than that, many in this area consider a trip to Paris as part of a rite of passage.

[Edited 2010-02-09 11:40:26]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 9):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Miami and Florida are too far south for a 757 from Europe

I think MIA is well covered for now. Both AA (763ER) and AF (744) have a daily to CDG and starting this June; Corsair will have daily (I believe) service to MIA from ORY using their high density 744. Perhaps adding another carrier would it be too much? what do you guys think?

Miami-Paris is well covered; albeit Miami has strong premium demand to Paris during the winter months and EC's 757s can probably make it due to the configuration.

If EC every joins OW, then maybe. Until then, no.

Corsair's MIA-ORY route is 2w only; a third frequency will be added in late fall.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 14):
Even though AF has always been popular in the DC region, many passengers flying are connecting through. Last time I flew, 2/3 of my plane connected to Africa, the Middle East, to eastern Europe, and to the Caucasus. Other than that, many in this area consider a trip to Paris as part of a rite of passage.

Yep, I know AF does well with connections to BEY, CAI, DAM, THR, etc. via CDG.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

Good to see some TATL service out of ORY. I hope they start BOS service (to ORY?) soon. While AA is shrinking here, I imagine that there is a large number of 1W cardholders here, if Open Skies goes that route. But IAD should do well.


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User currently offlineCDG From France, joined Sep 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16):
THR

No more...
KL only in AMS


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9715 times:

Are openskies still running around in two different uniforms (L'avion and BA) or do they all have the BA ones now?
So their fleet are finally running at full capacity now then as I heard that some of openskies planes used to be sat around in JFK/ORY sometimes for days before getting a flight now they can have 2X for EWR 1 for IAD and one for charter/spare.

It's interesting how they run small a fleet of 75s with mixed door configs and engine types (2 of each) and yet some large airlines AA for example wouldn't run mixed 752s when they had a massive fleet of both RR and PW.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Quoting CDG (Reply 18):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16):
THR

No more...
KL only in AMS

Makes sense to route those pax via AMS. AF still has a great network to the Middle East IMO; including AMM, BEY, CAI, DAM, DXB, JED, and RUH.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

I read in one of the forums that YUL could be a possible route is this true? I wouldn't think it would do well as YUL doesn;t seem to be a premium heavy market and maybe they were thinking of relying on the traffic between YUL-Paris

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7079 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9016 times:

PAR - WAS timetable 17 Jul 2010 - 24 Jul 2010


AF 28 CDG 10:40 IAD 13:00 772 0 1234567 08:20 2E - 07 Jun 06 Sep
EC 11 ORY 12:00 IAD 14:45 752 0 1-3-5-7 08:45 - - 18 Jul 23 Jul
UA 915 CDG 12:25 IAD 14:47 777 0 1234567 08:22 1 - 09 Jun 30 Aug
AF 24 CDG 13:30 IAD 16:05 EQV 0 1234567 08:35 2E - 17 Jul 24 Jul
AF 26 CDG 16:40 IAD 19:00 772 0 1234567 08:20 2E - 29 Mar 30 Oct

PAR - MOW timetable SAT 17 Jul 2010 - 24 Jul 2010

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
AF 1944 CDG 09:35 SVO 15:15 319 0 1234567 03:40 2E F 12 Jul 29 Aug
SU 250 CDG 11:45 SVO 17:20 320 0 --3-5-7 03:35 2E D 28 Mar 29 Oct
SU 575 CDG 11:45 SVO 17:20 320 0 12-4-6- 03:35 2E D 29 Mar 30 Oct
AF 2244 CDG 12:45 SVO 18:25 320 0 1234567 03:40 2E F 13 Jul 03 Sep
SU 260 CDG 13:40 SVO 19:25 320 0 1234567 03:45 2E D 28 Mar 30 Oct
AF 2544 CDG 16:05 SVO 21:45 319 0 1234567 03:40 2E F 12 Jul 29 Aug
SU 252 CDG 16:30 SVO 22:10 321 0 1234567 03:40 2E D 28 Mar 30 Oct
AF 1144 CDG 19:50 SVO 01:30 +1 320 0 1234567 03:40 2E F 12 Jul 29 Aug
SU 254 CDG 23:25 SVO 05:05 +1 320 0 -23-5-7 03:40 2E D 28 Mar 29 Oct
SU 258 CDG 23:35 SVO 05:15 +1 320 0 1--4-6- 03:40 2E D 29 Mar 30 Oct

Impossible to break into a high frequency route like paris moscow with a daily return service - (bilaterals not withstanding)



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8701 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
With the 757's Paris to the US east cost, Chicago, Detroit or Montreal and Toronto are possible markets

Chicago, Toronto, and Montreal - maybe.

Detroit - NO WAY!

Detroit - Paris is a hub to hub route for SkyTeam, and Detroit has unarguably been battered more by the recession than any other US city. Even after the economy comes back, many of the jobs Detroit has lost will be gone forever.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8417 times:
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Quoting BAStew (Reply 6):
As for DME. I'd doubt it. Most carriers offer an intra-european or 'medium haul' product on flights from european cities to Moscow. I think those flat beds could possibly go to waste on a 3:45 flight.

In regards to the inflight product offered, does this mean, it's a full service flight or a typical augmented EU service. Full warm or cold meal, vs snack, etc.?


25 BAStew : I'm not sure about the other european airlines but on BA DME falls within the same 'band' as the likes of ATH, IST, LCA. The flight is operated by a
26 Post contains images UnitedFA07 : Question, why does Open Skies have an American flag and EU flag on it if its a British airline? Just curious.   
27 inesilio : Hmmm. With AZ dropping the ball in Milan and LHI taking things slowly I think a few of routes out of MXP to JFK/EWR and a couple of others would have
28 viscount724 : If not mistaken, the aircraft are maintained in the U.S. and many of the crew are U.S.-based to avoid restrictive BA mainline union agreements. At le
29 Post contains links BA174 : The openskies birds are maintained at LHR or CWL and can be seen quite frequently coming in to get some work done. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ope
30 Post contains images LHR380 : See them every now and then in the BA hangers at East Base. Kind of a shock seeing a 757 with winglets now and then
31 viscount724 : What about the crews? I can almost swear I recall something about Open Skies hiring U.S.- based crews to benefit from lower costs. But that was befor
32 Rafabozzolla : Regarding the Middle East, BEY out of Paris is a far larger market than DXB. Don't know about premium demand though.
33 Tristarsteve : The two ex BA aircraft were prepared for service at LHR, and have visited for seating work. The A checks are performed at BRU by SN Technics. They wi
34 bastew : There is still a mix although i'm not sure whether the ex L'Avion crew are still in their own uniform. The original Openskies crew are US based.
35 BOStonsox : Now that I think of it, I can clearly remember recently that Elysair/L'Avion said that if New York was a success, BOS would be next. I hope this happe
36 BA174 : I know that JFK based crew are/were seeking union representation in the wake of the L'avion merger/HQ moving to France not so long ago as I remember
37 LatinAviation : I believe this is accurate. The NY-based crew that remain they've kept, but haven't replaced as they've left. General T&C's for the US crews are
38 BA174 : I doubt they would close the NYC base however as they need crew based in that area for future possible routes from there.
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