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BA 777 Crash, Pilots First Interview  
User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Sorry if this is double did not spot it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8505163.stm


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User currently offlineBA84 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10189 times:
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Here is a link to BA38 ATC recording:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8505174.stm

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User currently offlineacabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9456 times:

Quoting BA84 (Reply 1):
Here is a link to BA38 ATC recording:

Chilling... However, everyone sounds so professional. Great work!



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1457 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9316 times:

Judging ONLY from the audio it sounds like it was handled incredibly well by the tower/ground. As a crewmember I' always curious how things happen outside the aircraft.. very interesting indeed.


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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

Yikes! Makes you wonder how long after the recording they left the tower controller in there before they brought in a replacement / supervisor. He sounded like he was starting to become a little unglued towards the end - not at all unexpected after you watch one of your planes fall short of the field.


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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 4):
Yikes! Makes you wonder how long after the recording they left the tower controller in there before they brought in a replacement / supervisor. He sounded like he was starting to become a little unglued towards the end - not at all unexpected after you watch one of your planes fall short of the field.

The ATC clip covers maybe 4-5min from the event. He sounded like he was trying to reroute all incoming traffic until operations were established on a viable runway. None the less, he was professional and on top of his job.



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User currently offlinets-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3468 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Great work from London ATC, the transfer of landing configuration went smoothly with asking the QTR to go around, then closing the runway, then talking to approach to switch to the other runway, and in the meanwhile recording a new ATIS... Having done all that coordination, of course i think another controller took the shift to continue with the daily EGLL sequencing...

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4318 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 4):
He sounded like he was starting to become a little unglued towards the end

I didn't think he sounded like he was becoming unglued. On the contrary, I thought the gentleman acted quite admirably under the circumstances. Of course, you can tell the tension in his voice was rising, but that could be expected given his workload, already relatively high, jumped tenfold in those brief moments after the crash.



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6788 times:
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I'm still amazed the fire crew was in position to ask for permission to enter the runway a mere 30 seconds after the crash alert was triggered. I know any point on airport property has to be within 2 minutes of a fire station, but 30 seconds to get started and drive to a runway just boggles my mind.


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User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

Quoting ts-ior (Reply 6):
the transfer of landing configuration went smoothly

Is the audio recording edited in any way with respect to the time line. If an a/c has crashed, why did it take almost 30 seconds-45 seconds according to the tape timeline for the _same_ controller to request all traffic be diverted to another runway? I am wondering why wouldn't this have been done by shift supervisors or another controller..

Would it not have been enough to throw the airport into a crisis mode given that landing aircraft are descending within a few minutes of each other? He even had the time to talk to the flight crew as they were abandoning the aircraft, and _then_ he makes the call via telephone?



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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2827 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

I wonder if the Qatari issued a go around was behind the BA 777. I wonder if they saw the whole thing happen.


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User currently offlineChris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 168 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5975 times:
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I wonder why Mr Burkill is no longer employed as pilot with BA after he apparently did a great job to bring the plane down.

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

Quoting Chris7217 (Reply 11):

He cites personal reasons so I guess we will never know for sure.
However we can/will speculate !



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User currently offlineChris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 168 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 12):
He cites personal reasons so I guess we will never know for sure.
However we can/will speculate !

If I'm not mistaken I believe to remember Mr Burkill wrote a letter only months after the incident to Sir Richard Branson asking him for a job with VS. Is that right?


User currently offlineTangowhisky From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 912 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 12):
He cites personal reasons so I guess we will never know for sure.
However we can/will speculate !

I read somewhere a while back that he himself became unglued or froze requiring the FO to take all action. But, it will be good to know the truth. Perhaps he should write a book like Sully (if he has nothing to hide).



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User currently offlinets-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3468 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting BOACVC10 (Reply 9):
Is the audio recording edited in any way with respect to the time line. If an a/c has crashed, why did it take almost 30 seconds-45 seconds according to the tape timeline for the _same_ controller to request all traffic be diverted to another runway? I am wondering why wouldn't this have been done by shift supervisors or another controller..

I think 30 or 45 seconds is a good timing. There is priorities. I guess traffic was departing 27R, so first you need to stop departures and ground traffic and free the runway 27L for the fire crew, then or meanwhile asking the QTR just behind to go around and get free of it, thereafter informing approach to switch to 27R. I don't think approach has switched automatically to the other parallel but cancelled some approaches ( the expression is to cancel approach) and strengthen the holding time of some others.

Imagine all that work done in a minute of time and with all that traffic waiting to land. All the London area traffic would have been affected.


User currently offlineBA84 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
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Quoting Tangowhisky (Reply 14):
I read somewhere a while back that he himself became unglued or froze requiring the FO to take all action.

The FO was flying the landing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

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User currently offlineTangowhisky From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 912 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Read This:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sunday-mirro...-have-betrayed-him-98487-20396282/



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User currently offlineBA84 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4346 times:
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Quoting Tangowhisky (Reply 17):
Read This:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sunday-mirro...-have-betrayed-him-98487-20396282/

The Mirror (UK) is a rubbish tabloid.

BA84


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1091 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting Tangowhisky (Reply 17):
Read This:

No Don't! For your sanity. They might drape quotation marks over everything on the page but the Mirror is a pile of imagined tosh...



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting BA84 (Reply 18):
Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 19):

   I'm pretty sure most of the "facts" in that old article were ripped apart by some here with closer contact than the Mirror.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13191 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting Chris7217 (Reply 13):
If I'm not mistaken I believe to remember Mr Burkill wrote a letter only months after the incident to Sir Richard Branson asking him for a job with VS. Is that right?


Like The Mirror, all UK tabloids really, it's all speculative and nearly always crap.
They also generally kiss Branson's arse.

Sorry to be a bore and mention yet again, but the most malignant tabloid of all, the Daily Mail, made some unfounded allegations on this subject as part of their long and tedious hate campaign against BA. (This rag chooses to hate many things and many people).

Capt Burkhill was one of the pilots who choose to leave last year as part of the staff reductions.
There actually is a personal aspect to it, not what the press tried to imply, but personal enough (but with absolutely NO shame on Capt Burkhill's part), not to be mentioned here.
So don't ask for clues and hints.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3671 times:
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