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Alaska To Discontinue LAX-CUN/LGB-PDX  
User currently offlinesocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5882 times:

The link is on the internal site. I assume that they will announce it soon. States that as of June 6th LAX-CUN will be discontinued, CUN will only see a seasonal SEA-CUN service. Also QX will pull out of the LGB-PDX market as of April 20th, keeping the LGB-SEA. LAX has seen some major cuts. I guess its all about Hawaii and the PAC-Northwest and bay area. Sad.

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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

Too bad about CUN, but LGB-PDX was just a pissing match with B6.


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User currently offlinedeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

Quoting socalatc (Thread starter):

Will they codeshare with DL on LAX-CUN?
I was expecting DL to be the one that drops it letting AS take over, guess not.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

I could see AA going after the now dormant LAX-CUN slot for a U.S. carrier.


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5812 times:
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This is too bad. I think Mexico still hasn't recovered from the devestating Swine Flu, US economics, the Mexican Drug Cartel Violence and stiff competition from MX on this route took it's toll on AS's daily LAX-CUN trip. From LAX MX can probably cover this market adequately without the need for additional flights which would take a loss. MX also has more flexibility with their varied Airbus fleet that allows them easily to up & downgauge the a/c according to demand.

User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

CUN really surprises me. I guess it goes to show how badly Mexico traffic has been hurt and how much better Hawaii is.

User currently offlinedeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I could see AA going after the now dormant LAX-CUN slot for a U.S. carrier.

Them or UA, but with UA having a hard time with LAX-MEX i expect AA will be the one that goes after it. daily 738?



yep.
User currently offlinesocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 5):
CUN really surprises me. I guess it goes to show how badly Mexico traffic has been hurt and how much better Hawaii is.

Or how much they have stopped caring about the SOCAL market and only focus on The Pacific Northwest. I wonder how much longer LAX-DCA has.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5767 times:
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Quoting deltaL1011man (Reply 2):
Quoting socalatc (Thread starter):


Will they codeshare with DL on LAX-CUN?
I was expecting DL to be the one that drops it letting AS take over, guess not.

That's a good question. I have a feeling the answer will be no. DL operates their LAX-CUN flight with near daily frequencey during the high season and I believe it's once a week during the rest of the year. UA does the same thing now with a single weekly flight and will go daily from June to September. AS must have really taken a hit on this flight.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

Quoting deltaL1011man (Reply 6):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I could see AA going after the now dormant LAX-CUN slot for a U.S. carrier.

Them or UA, but with UA having a hard time with LAX-MEX i expect AA will be the one that goes after it. daily 738?

UA already flies LAX-CUN.

AA would probably use a 757.

Quoting socalatc (Reply 7):
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 5):
CUN really surprises me. I guess it goes to show how badly Mexico traffic has been hurt and how much better Hawaii is.

Or how much they have stopped caring about the SOCAL market and only focus on The Pacific Northwest. I wonder how much longer LAX-DCA has.

I don't think its going anywhere.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26026 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

Well in the Q4 earnings call they did say Mexico was weak yield wise compared to much of the remaining system.

For LGB-PDX mildly surprising as they had already decided to shift all of LGB to Horizon, but I guess they are not going to wait around long to see how that performs.

Quoting deltaL1011man (Reply 2):
Will they codeshare with DL on LAX-CUN?


DL is Saturday only, and I would not call it much of anything. AS was daily(or near daily), so quite a shift in market presence.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5731 times:
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Quoting socalatc (Reply 7):
Or how much they have stopped caring about the SOCAL market and only focus on The Pacific Northwest. I wonder how much longer LAX-DCA has.

I don't see AS dropping it's LAX-DCA flight now or anytime in the future. I believe this flight does very well and they were awarded this route over everyone else who applied after AA took over TW.

Quoting deltaL1011man (Reply 6):
Them or UA, but with UA having a hard time with LAX-MEX i expect AA will be the one that goes after it. daily 738?

I feel UA doesn't want to spend the money any longer in MEX. They got that route from PA. It used to go twice daily, then down to once daily, then once a week with the exception of the high season from Thanksgiving thru New Years. UA should just give it up like they did with the other PA routes they bought. They elected to codeshare with TA on those markets.

Wouldn't AA be better off having MX operate the flight instead? They do offer a much better in flight product than AA does.

[Edited 2010-02-09 14:40:52]

User currently offlinedeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):

How big is the market(better question what are yields like?) I assume its really seasonal?



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5718 times:
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Quoting socalatc (Thread starter):
Also QX will pull out of the LGB-PDX market as of April 20th, keeping the LGB-SEA.

Will they consider a 3rd SEA-LGB flight during the summer?


User currently offlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

I never thought there was that much demand from the West Coast to CUN. Far more people (when going to Mexico) seem to prefer SJD and PVR.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
It used to go twice daily, then down to once daily, then once a week with the exception of the high season from Thanksgiving thru New Years.

It used to be four times daily about ten years ago. It will be daily also over the summer from early June to early September.

The777Man



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5654 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):

It used to be four times daily about ten years ago. It will be daily also over the summer from early June to early September.

The777Man

Thanks for the information, The777man. I apreciate it.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26026 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
I feel UA doesn't want to spend the money any longer in MX.


Again, United already operated LAX-CUN, so its not a matter of investing money in Mexico or not.

Actually UA seems to be doing OK in Mexico beach destinations as its activity has steadily increased over the years.



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User currently offlinedeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
DL is Saturday only, and I would not call it much of anything. AS was daily(or near daily), so quite a shift in market presence.

My thinking was if they codeshare with DL they could take it to daily or close to daily.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5630 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Again, United already operated LAX-CUN, so its not a matter of investing money in Mexico or not.

My apologies, LAXintl. I meant LAX-MEX. Not LAX-CUN.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5585 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 5):
CUN really surprises me.

And me. I'm not thrilled with this move, as CUN is one of my favorite places on earth.

But it's not about where I can non-rev, it's about what makes money and has demand - and right now Hawaii has the demand and makes a ton.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Quoting deltaL1011man (Reply 12):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):

How big is the market(better question what are yields like?) I assume its really seasonal?

LAX-CUN has a big VFR component that is pretty exclusive to LA and Miami among CUN since both areas have large Yucatecan communities.

It's still "seasonal," but less so than others.

Plus CUN is a growing hub operation for OW partner MX.

I would not be surprised if nobody applies for the route authority, though; but if another airline initiates, I would not be surprised to see AA submit a competing proposal.

VX might want in on the market.



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Just read on the QX internal site that the 2 CRJs freed up from PDX-LGB will be used to add one additional flight to PDX-BUR and PDX-ONT.

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5505 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):

Plus CUN is a growing hub operation for OW partner MX.

I would not be surprised if nobody applies for the route authority, though; but if another airline initiates, I would not be surprised to see AA submit a competing proposal.

VX might want in on the market.

Interesting thought Mark, about VX. I could see them raising their eyebrows and thinking about this one too.

On the other hand with AS pulling out of the market and MX further developing CUN into a hub or large focus city, perhaps they would add another flight from LAX since they have a substantial operation here and are holding their own very well against the competition. As it is, AM seems to be in fear of them lately with their latest moves.

I could also see Volaris applying for this route since they are doing well at LAX and expanding.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5507 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 20):
I'm not thrilled with this move, as CUN is one of my favorite places on earth.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
VX might want in on the market.

Terrific. Insult, meet injury. How about you say something bad about my mother while you're at it?  



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25 LAXintl : Well for LAX-MEX yes they are indeed sitting on the authority. However in fairness I suspect of the market was a bit stronger they would be back to d
26 Tommy767 : I'd be curious in AA trying to acquire the LAX-CUN slots in the respect if they would want to fly it knowing that it will take away feed from the DFW
27 LACA773 : That's a very good point. At the same time, isn't the LAX-CUN market a bit saturated at the moment?
28 surfandsnow : I'm surprised that they are keeping the SEA-CUN route if LAX-CUN hasn't been working out. Cancun just isn't a big draw for people on the West Coast.
29 MAH4546 : Yes, possibly, but U.S. airlines and Mexican airlines are seperately considered. There are two free "slots" for Mexican airlines. None right now for
30 LACA773 : MX withdrew their 757s from service a couple of years ago and returned them to the lessors. They now fly a 320 on the route the majority of the time
31 EA CO AS : Until today's announcment, LAX-CUN was served daily with a 737-800, and seasonally from SEA with a 737-800 as well.
32 hatbutton : There are already open commuter slots at LGB. Didn't need QX to leave to change any of that. Yes I think I remember it being in the top 5 in terms of
33 Tommy767 : I mean i could see it happening, but I would just be curious. Also would wonder if AA would ever think of starting LAX-PVR with an S80 or 738? For a
34 LACA773 : AS serves LAX-PVR with one daily nonstop and another that operates 4-5X a week. You have MX who flies it nonstop daily, DL, UA fly it with varying sc
35 commavia : AA may try and go for LAX-CUN. Maybe. I'm not sure if they'd go for it, or rather just let MX handle the traffic. They may want to go for it just to b
36 socalatc : I was speaking of more as SoCal market. SNA-OAK, SAN-YVR, LGB-SEA and PDX ( now with QX) off the top of my head at LAX they have dropped LAX-YYC, LAX
37 Tommy767 : Long time. 2.5 hours to DFW and then 2 hours to PVR. Was upgraded to F on DFW-PVR and it was very good service from STL based crew.
38 LACA773 : DL already flies the route, commavia and flies it nearly daily during the traditional high seasons of the year. I was asking wouldn't it be better fo
39 commavia : I stand corrected. Apologies. I would say yes, it would be better to let MX handle it. However, they may decide that it's better to lock it in and fl
40 LACA773 : I believe the reductions on the LAX-YVR route are seasonal and will go back up in the Spring & Summer seasons. The cuts that were made to the LAX
41 LACA773 : No problem, commavia. Thanks for your thoughts about AA going into this market. As it is, I think we'll see Volaris enter it in the near future and p
42 SANFan : SAN-SFO, SAN-BOI, SAN-GEG have also been tried and cancelled more than once... In fact, right now AS is sitting on 3 full-time gates at Lindbergh Fie
43 McMax : AS dropped SNA-OAK so they could apply their slots to almost-near hourly service from SNA-SEA. As I understand it, yields weren't awful (WN flies tha
44 LAXintl : Sorry man -- numbers bear out Alaska has declined significantly in California and Mexico. From their November 2009 investors day presentations, SoCal
45 Toobz : Yeah mine too but the yields are just trashed. you would cringe to know how much me and 6 buddies payed on a PDX-CUN run. I doubt it even covered the
46 28L28L : When did AS discontinue LGB? Didn't they just start PDX-LGB last year? Now both SEA and PDX to LGB all appear to be all QX.
47 Wedgetail737 : I heard yields took a dump when B6 entered the PDX-LGB and SEA-LGB markets.
48 doug_Or : Was AS already serving LGB from PDX when B6 started that route?
49 LAXintl : No, it was a knee-jerk reaction to B6 and announced in Nov08 after B6 start in Oct08. Ultimately however from I can gather AS/Horizon station in LGB
50 hatbutton : I don't believe we have any staff there. I know on the ramp side we definitely don't. So this is really nothing too different than say the operation
51 PlanesNTrains : I loved flying QX on a CR7 SEA-LGB. It was a great flight by a great crew, and I thought the aircraft was pretty comfortable. LGB is easy to get in an
52 surfandsnow : LGB is one of the cheapest airports in the country to operate from (from an airline perspective) and fly from (from a pax perspective). After all, yo
53 LAXintl : Not quite amigo. Actually LGB is headed to becoming one of the most expensive SoCal airport on a per passenger basis (likely rivaling ONT). The airpo
54 avek00 : I wouldn't rule out CO applying for LAX-CUN.
55 n7371f : AS/QX I believe only added BOI/GEG-SAN after ExpressJet entered those markets....and then quickly exited leaving the markets to ExpressJet until it p
56 Post contains images dlflynhayn : I hope we go daily on this LAX-CUN!.I'm from Hawaii but i love CUN sand is just like Hawaii and a lil cheaper too. What a surprise comment like that
57 LAXSTEW : could DL increase the frequency on LAX-CUN, or is once a week all we're allotted?
58 LAXintl : DL could do 5x day if they wished. No frequency restrictions.
59 laca773 : Hey LAXintl, I was wondering about that. I had a feeling it was probably expensive to operate from (Unless ONT decreases their fees, things are not g
60 SANFan : For their most recent foray into the markets, yes. (QX started flying in Jul 2007 and cut all service by Apr of 2008; incidentally, the GEG service o
61 n7371f : Boise, yes...I recall a slew of new services there about five years ago...SAN, PHX I recall...but GEG doesn't ring a bell. I fly in and out of there
62 Meteorologist : QX did GEG-SAN most the time Expressjet did. At the same time, QX turned to 2x daily the GEG-LAX flight that AS had done for years. At the same time,
63 Wedgetail737 : I think there's a good chance that QX will reopen GEG-LAX, but only when the airline industry and the world economy gets back on its feet. If QX is w
64 yellowtail : Maybe AK should look elsewhere in central American for better yielding service from LAX...maybe SJO, BZE?
65 surfandsnow : I have thought this as well...CM flies its 737s between LAX and PTY, so surely anything along the way would be fair game for AS. Their MEX service se
66 MaverickM11 : LAX-MZT/PVR/SJD/ZIH are also being pulled down.[Edited 2010-02-11 08:51:50]
67 hatbutton : On AS? Where are you getting this?
68 AirframeAS : I don't see how that is sad.... It looks like its going back to its glory route map from the 90's once again but with HNL added. I'm not surprised. O
69 MaverickM11 : Today's OAG It's no surprise that AS owns SEA and everything else is really hit-and-miss; nothing wrong with that--every carrier tends to excel where
70 n7371f : You'd think...but some guy who posts on Flyer Talk as ASRASMGUY (apparently a network planner or similar for AS) claims AS/QX is done with GEG-LAX. H
71 BigGSFO : Reduced or axed?
72 EA CO AS : I know RASMguy, and trust me - he knows what he's talking about.
73 PlanesNTrains : With GEG-SEA/PDX/SFO/SLC/OAK/LAS-LAX as quick and convenient options, I can see how it might be hard for Spokane to get its own service. Perhaps Alle
74 laca773 : It looks like a lot of the cuts would be traditional seasonal cut backs. In May SJD will have twice daily service; PVR goes down to one daily, ZIH wi
75 Wedgetail737 : You can never say never. As long as AS/QX serves both GEG and LAX, there will always be the possibility of restarting nonstop service. It may not be
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