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QX - Why No First Class?  
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

I was thinking today, why doesn't QX put in a First Class on the CRJ-700s? I know that they're trying to sell them, but so far as I know, they're having trouble finding buyers and the prospects are that they might be in QX's fleet for some time.

The advantages of installing a First Class (AFAIK):

-It makes the full replacement of all AS service on PDX-Bay Area (exception of SJC) a bit more acceptable to frequent flyers who may be used to the mainline equipment.

-It could probably allow for greater frequency on PDX-Los Angeles/San Diego area, with potential of replacing some AS service to LAS and PHX, freeing up some AS aircraft for potentially profitable routes.

-It could also be used to add frequencies on SEA-Bay Area/Los Angeles

-It could be used for further LAX-Mexico flying

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And now, another question I have, which is probably much more ridiculous -- Why not install a First Class on the Q400s? Why not?

-It'd also make the Q400 probably a lot more palatable to flying longer routes, such as SEA-Santa Barbera; PDX-Bay Area, and perhaps PDX-Los Angeles area.

-I suppose one could say that a First Class on a propeller plane would be silly, but why not? People traveled very luxuriously on propellor aircraft in the 50s, 60s, and even 70s.

-Is the back of the airplane quieter than the front? If so, simple solution -- put First Class in the back! I know it sounds entirely ludicrious, but again, why not? Many of the Q400s already board from the back anyway, as well as the front. Would there be people who wouldn't buy a first class ticket simply because it's at the back of the airplane? I'm honestly asking.

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Final question -- if no first class, has QX ever considered selling meals onboard? I think I remember reading that they tested the concept out, but what ever came of that? No bueno?

Just asking -- it's what I came on this forum to do.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport

[Edited 2010-02-10 11:41:54]

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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
I was thinking today, why doesn't QX put in a First Class on the CRJ-700s?

In some respects, QX already offers a premium service with beer and wine. They couldn't start serving full meals either because I don't believe the A/C have galleys with ovens (correct me if I'm wrong).

I know you are going for the more legroom and space benefit. While that may be nice for pax, if everyone who sits in First on QX is always upgrading for free then you are just losing potential revenue by taking seats out to fit those First Class seats. I suspect this to be the case because that is mostly why frequent fliers complained about losing AS service on Bay Area routes, no more free upgrades into first.

It just seems the benefits don't outweigh the costs.

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
Would there be people who wouldn't buy a first class ticket simply because it's at the back of the airplane? I'm honestly asking.

Probably because one of the advantages of First Class is you are first off the airplane. Sure QX deplanes from the back sometimes too, but not everywhere.

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
Final question -- if no first class, has QX ever considered selling meals onboard? I think I remember reading that they tested the concept out, but what ever came of that? No bueno?

Yes they're already selling snackpacks and chips and salsa. Liquor is on the way too.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

few people really pay for short-haul domestic first (those premium transcons are separate category), so most of that space is really there to reward the people with elite gold and platinum status, while generating zero extra revenue, and at higher CASM

QX specializes in certain markets (instead of the middle America all things to all people hub business model), so i think QX is smart to keep selling those coach seats instead of giving out upgrades like free candy

heck, southwest doesn't even have extra leg room seats in economy (IIRC the emergency exits and bulk heads are simply first come first serve), and yet they have the largest following of any US airline.... that says it all


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15780 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 1):
Yes they're already selling snackpacks and chips and salsa.

I'd be surprised to see them offer more since I doubt that their planes are equipped for it. Adding meals isn't as simple as ordering the food.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
(IIRC the emergency exits and bulk heads are simply first come first serve),

That is true as far as I know, but you can buy their Business Select fares to get in an early boarding zone.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Can I ask, why in the US is the prem cabin on domestic flights refered to as First, when in Europe its referred to as Business?

User currently offlineviscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 1):
Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
Would there be people who wouldn't buy a first class ticket simply because it's at the back of the airplane? I'm honestly asking.

Probably because one of the advantages of First Class is you are first off the airplane.

First class was always at the back of propeller aircraft until they were replaced by jets in the 1960s.

The issue with F class on regional aircraft is whether the additional revenue from passengers actually paying the F class fares (as opposed to those upgrading from Y class or redeeming frequent flyer miles) would be more than the revenue lost from having fewer seats on the aircraft.. On most routes operated with regional aircraft, I would argue that there is very little revenue F class demand and you want as many Y class seats as possible.


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