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LHR Terminal 2 Is Here!  
User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

The AIP charts have been updated to show Terminal 2B phase 1 is in commission. It will eventually be part of the large satellite concourse to the new Terminal 2, but for the moment is being used by Terminal 1 as extra gate space while pier 3 gets chopped up.

What flights are using the new concourse? I've got two international flights from Terminal 1 in the next few months. BD to CAI and LH to FRA. Will either of these give me the chance to use it?

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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

A UA flight I was on from LAX to LHR arrived on 247 two weeks ago and we offloaded through the jetway into the new pier.... Its a long walk to T1 (particularly as the moving walkways in the new pier were not in use)! The other stands were being used by BD at the time, but they were not connected to the jetways.

Andy


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11385 times:

They have moving walkways? That already elevates it a notch above Terminal 5.

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11361 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 2):
They have moving walkways? That already elevates it a notch above Terminal 5.

And lease advise me where moving walkways can go in Terminal 5?

T5 does not need them really.


User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

Yes, they have installed walkways in the new pier (although they were not in use two weeks ago - they were cordoned off with that ugly orange plastic lattice). To get to T1, you have to walk through the connector into the "Europier" (where most UA flights park), go down the Europier and then up the other connector into the round building where you used to be able to go left for T2 (now closed off) or right to T1. There are also walkways on the arrival level of the Europier and in the connector up to T1, but its still a long way from the new pier. I suspect that pax having a flight departing from the new pier will have to be called to the gate well early to ensure that they all make it. It was BD mid-haul aircraft that were parked at the other gates on the new pier, although they were not jetway contacted at the time I was there so I don't know whether they were actually using the pier or just parked on the gates.

User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11271 times:

Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 4):
I suspect that pax having a flight departing from the new pier will have to be called to the gate well early to ensure that they all make it.

I have flown from the "new bit" on NZ to LAX and, I can confirm, it is a long, long walk from T1 security. They called the pax to the gate very early.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

Is T2B secured? I know the Europier is behind its own secondary security check. If my flight is in the Europier, can I causually take a stroll through the connector? Most international flights will be from either the Europier or T2B because there is very little left of pier 3 now.

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

I flew from the new pier to AMS on BD two weeks ago.

Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 1):
The other stands were being used by BD at the time, but they were not connected to the jetways.

My BD aircraft (G-MIDO) was connected to the jetway. On our left was an BD A319 which was not connected to the jetway but I think that one was just parked over there.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Quoting LHR380 (Reply 3):
And lease advise me where moving walkways can go in Terminal 5?

T5 does not need them really.

Agreed....So many people seem to think that the walking distances in T5 are huge....but they simply are not!
Everything is designed to be within a confined space. The only long stretch is covered by a train. I will however admit that gates B32 and the three other extreme most jetty stands on the B gates have long walks from the gate to the door of the aircraft which should be addressed but at least they are jetty stands!



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10264 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 8):
mit that gates B32 and the three other extreme most jetty stands on the B gates have long walks from the gate to the door of the aircraft which should be addressed but at least they are jetty stands!

At least with the long jettys in B (And the same in C) your not doing the walk all in one go (unless your running very late!!)


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 8):
The only long stretch is covered by a train. I will however admit that gates B32 and the three other extreme most jetty stands on the B gates have long walks from the gate to the door of the aircraft which should be addressed but at least they are jetty stands!

I believe it is in the hopper to extend the satellite buildings so that the gates themselves are closer to the stand.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

I still believe only in a one terminal concept like AMS. Who ever invented the 5 terminal concept is nuts. Total nightmare after a 10 hour flight to go from T5 to T4...

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9314 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Total nightmare after a 10 hour flight to go from T5 to T4..

When did you have to do that? Was that before BA completed the move to T5?

It's also in the hopper to extend the T5 TTS to the other terminals as well so transiting should be much easier in the future.


User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9240 times:

Terminal 5A and B DOES have moving walkways, in the arrivals level of the buildings... at least there was a long moving walkway this morning when I got back in, and was stood on it..... there is only 1 each side of the central lift and escalator areas I believe and there are moving walkways in the main terminal too from the side gates I believe

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Who ever invented the 5 terminal concept is nuts.

Not if they create an ATL or IAD like set up with parallel terminals connected with an underground train. Is that overall master plan? It appears as though it is on paper...


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 14):
Not if they create an ATL or IAD like set up with parallel terminals connected with an underground train. Is that overall master plan? It appears as though it is on paper...

Of a sort. HAL call it "toastracking". Obviously T5 works according to this design. T2 will as well. T3 will get some pier extensions to connect it up to T2, which will effectively make a big ring pier round the CTA with associated satellites (T2B, T2C and a rebuilt pier 7) and two main terminal buildings (T2A and T3). They will all be linked by underground TTS, which will be extended from T5.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8025 times:

Here's a sketch of what LHR could look like. Notice Terminal 5D, a new pier 7 next to the tower, an extension to pier 6 and a connection from pier 6 to T2A, T2B and T2C and also a northern pier connected to terminal 3.

The northern pier to T3 is weird. The item in the HAL CIP doesn't specify how it is connected, but another diagram does suggested pier 5 would be knocked down as a parallel pier from the main building would connect it. I put in this parallel pier while leaving in pier 5 for some reason so T3 is a bit confused. However, the rest is as specified.


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[Edited 2010-02-11 14:26:03]

User currently offlineimag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

i don't mind the long walk - stretch the legs after being cramped down the back of the plane...

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 12):
When did you have to do that? Was that before BA completed the move to T5?

Think he means he flew in with BA and out of LHR with a T4 carrier.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Total nightmare after a 10 hour flight to go from T5 to T4

Is it?

Off the plane in B, Across to A on the TTS arriving in the main flight connections/Immigration area, down the escalator to Flight Connections 1 3 and 4 (which is right where you enter T5A and a 10 to 15 minute bus ride in the tunnels across to 4???

Not much of a nightmare really???


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7541 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting LHR380 (Reply 18):
Off the plane in B, Across to A on the TTS arriving in the main flight connections/Immigration area, down the escalator to Flight Connections 1 3 and 4 (which is right where you enter T5A and a 10 to 15 minute bus ride in the tunnels across to 4???

Not much of a nightmare really???

My understanding is that if the trial of the Heathrow Pod Transport Sytstem between T5 and the car park is successful then travel within the airport might even become an absolute dream:

http://www.heathrowairport.com/porta...c7f1b0010VgnVCM200000357e120a____/


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting Glom (Thread starter):
What flights are using the new concourse? I've got two international flights from Terminal 1 in the next few months. BD to CAI and LH to FRA. Will either of these give me the chance to use it?

Is that the long pier I departed out of on BD to GYD? Earlier in the morning the same concourse was "sealed off' with more security for departures to the US on UA/NZ/etc. After about 11-1200 the extra security barrier was closed and you could simply walk to all the BD flights to GYD/CAI/JED etc.. Is that what you're talking about?



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 16):
Here's a sketch of what LHR could look like. Notice Terminal 5D, a new pier 7 next to the tower, an extension to pier 6 and a connection from pier 6 to T2A, T2B and T2C and also a northern pier connected to terminal 3.

Thank you. The map is hard to read, is 2B and 2C the two parallel "bars" to the right?

The mix of 1, 2 & 3 in the middle still seems like a clusterf_ck...


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 21):
The map is hard to read, is 2B and 2C the two parallel "bars" to the right?

Yes. I probably should have labelled things. T5D is the bar to the right of T5C and also erroneously says T5C. The new pier 7 is the short bar to the left of Terminal 3 and below the control tower. The new northern pier is above Terminal 3. T2A is the big square with the arm coming out of the top. T2B and C are the bar to right of it.

Quoting United787 (Reply 21):
The mix of 1, 2 & 3 in the middle still seems like a clusterf_ck...

It made sense in the early years. It just didn't demonstrate any foresight for expansion.


User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 21):
Thank you. The map is hard to read, is 2B and 2C the two parallel "bars" to the right?

It's actually a pretty good quality PDF, if you're viewing in your browser hold down CTRL and scroll up on your mouse, it will increase the size!


User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Just out of curiosity, is LHR going to re-number it's terminals when the current rebuilds are complete? IIRC, there will not be five separate main terminals after complete, correct?

25 Post contains images leezyjet : I find it highly unlikely that T5D in that pic will ever see the light of day. They would have to knock down and re-locate the Northern fuel farm, and
26 Glom : BA has a maintenance building near the fire station? In the entry in the CIP, they did make an allowance for moving the fuel farm.
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