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AC Cuts Alberta-W US Routes May 1  
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

I just saw this over on airlineroute (link);
http://airlineroute.net/2010/02/11/ac-yycyegus/#more-17422

Quote:
Air Canada from 01MAY10 is reducing service between Alberta and the US. Affected route cuts and reductions are:

Calgary – Los Angeles Reduce from 3 to 2 Daily, AC568/571 canceled
Calgary – San Diego SERVICE CANCELED
Edmonton – Las Vegas SERVICE CANCELED
Edmonton – Los Angeles SERVICE CANCELED

Depressing news for SAN. Seems like a strange time to cut routes. Anyone from AC got any further information?

bb

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

It seems like those would be pretty large city-pairs to me and it looks like AC was in the middle of adding Canada-US services. I'm in the surprised camp on these as well. Without checking the schedules, is there WS competition on any of these routes?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Good news for WestJet in a few of those markets.


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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
Calgary %u2013 San Diego SERVICE CANCELED

This is depressing news indeed. Well, at least we still have WS to pick up the slack on
the Calgary route.  



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User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3557 times:
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I know both CanJet and Westjet are skimming snowbirds.

Nevertheless, this is still sudden.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

I just checked AC's website and the SAN-YYC flights are indeed gone. (Note for SAN folks: SAN-YVR is remaining a mainline E190 for the summer with a simple mid-day turn at Lindbergh -- as has been done in the past.)

The SAN-YYC service was in place for almost exactly one year so I guess we can't say they didn't give it a pretty good test although I would have thought they'd let it continue at least thru another summer....

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 1):
is there WS competition on any of these routes?
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 3):
This is depressing news indeed. Well, at least we still have WS to pick up the slack on
the Calgary route.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Good news for WestJet in a few of those markets.
WS does fly 4x weekly this summer SAN-YYC -- well, as of a few days ago anyway. We'll see if there is any reaction from them to this news...

bb

[Edited 2010-02-11 10:21:57]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 1):
It seems like those would be pretty large city-pairs to me and it looks like AC was in the middle of adding Canada-US services. I'm in the surprised camp on these as well

Your comment got me thinking a bit, PVD', and I hope someone with some inside info at AC might have at least an opinion on this.

Just a few days ago, AC announced the 7 new YYZ routes to the US, involving a mix of a/c; these new flights start anywhere from April thru June. Could these cancelled flights to YEG and YYC (effective as of May 1) be providing a/c for the new YYZ flights? (And possibly could we then see their return in the fall when I presume many of the YYZ flights end?) I'm not sure what the summer equipment for the cancelled flights was to have been and I have no idea what kind of fleet utilization AC has these days but it's a thought anyway...

One further question: does anyone know what the LF/yields were like on the cancelled YEG and YYC routes and where they considered mainly winter, summer, or truly year-round routes?

bb


User currently offlinej0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2697 times:

Here is another article:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...s+Vegas+flights/2544763/story.html

Article also mentions that that YYC-SFO will drop from 2x to 1x daily, but does not mention which flight will be canceled. The article quotes 'budget cuts' as the reasons for the cancellations.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 1):
is there WS competition on any of these routes?

Yes, (Data taken from summer schedule)

WS YEG-LAX 4x Weekly
AC YEG-LAX Canceled

WS YEG-LAS 7x Weekly
AC YEG-LAS Canceled

WS YEG-SFO 3x Weekly
AC YEG-SFO No Service

WS YEG-SAN No Service
AC YEG-SAN No Service

WS YYC-LAX 7x Weekly
AC YYC-LAX 14x Weekly

WS YYC-LAS 9x Weekly
AC YYC-LAS 7x Weekly

WS YYC-SFO 7x Weekly
AC YYC-SFO 7x Weekly

WS YYC-SAN 4x Weekly
AC YYC-SAN Canceled


Also, anybody from Alberta traveling to these USA west coast destinations is able to connect in YVR, as YVR has plenty of service to these destinations with AC, WS, and other carriers, or take another carrier from Alberta.

Also interesting to note WS serves LAS from: YYJ, YVR, YLW, YEG, YYC, YXE, YQR, YWG, YUL, some of these are seasonal destinations but the fact that LAS seems to be one of WS most popular destinations and fits WS model of low-cost, vacation destination airline, could be the reason they have more frequency on LAS routes than AC.
Please note I am not saying there are ONLY a vacation destination airline, but there serve many places such as PHX, Florida and Mexico.

For any interested here is a link for WS route map.
https://www.westjet.com/guest/en/travelInfo/whereWeFly/routeMap.shtml

EDIT: For some reason I cannot directly link the above link to this post, you will have to copy and paste, sorry.

Feel free to correct any mistakes.

Regards,

- j0rdan

[Edited 2010-02-12 22:01:57]

User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
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Quoting j0rdan (Reply 7):
Article also mentions that that YYC-SFO will drop from 2x to 1x daily, but does not mention which flight will be canceled. The article quotes 'budget cuts' as the reasons for the cancellations.

The only time AC had 2 daily flight to SFO was last summer. Its always been a single daily evening flight. The evening flight will be the one cancelled.

AC may have dropped a lot of these routes themselves but they're still available through code shares on UA. For example UA flies around 3 or 4 RJs a day from YYC to SFO.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting j0rdan (Reply 7):
The article quotes 'budget cuts' as the reasons for the cancellations

I guess my theory was wrong (unfortunately) but thanks for the info j0rdan.

(I will assume that the disappearance of AC from the SAN-YYC market will strengthen WS's position and I hope to see them - WestJet -- expand here and perhaps add another market or 2 in the future.)

bb


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
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Quoting j0rdan (Reply 7):
Article also mentions that that YYC-SFO will drop from 2x to 1x daily, but does not mention which flight will be canceled. The article quotes 'budget cuts' as the reasons for the cancellations.

I take this route several times a year. But I'd say that UA Express X 3 daily owns it.
AC might want to step it down from E190 to Jazz.


User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
Edmonton – Los Angeles SERVICE CANCELLED
Calgary – Los Angeles Reduce from 3 to 2 Daily, AC568/571 canceled

No word on whether UA might increase service here?

I suspect economic realities are the real culprit here. WS competition may get a third of the blame but that's about it....



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

I'm asking for assistance from one of you AC-experts out there, please.

Re: the cancelled YYC-SAN service (eff May 1), I was just looking at the AC schedules for the winter and the route map and I realize they are completely "iffy" at this point but I see that SAN-YYC remains on the route map, the YYC-SAN flight appears on the schedule starting on Oct 31 (which is the end of DST), yet there is no SAN-YYC flight after Oct 31. (IOW, I'm getting conflicting messages here.   )

So my question is, does the possibility exist that SAN-YYC has just gone seasonal rather than being totally cancelled forever? Might the service return this fall/winter and even the tentative schedules are incomplete, or do we simply not know anything at all at this point?

I suppose the same questions apply to the other cancelled routes (YYC and YEG) but I am primarily interested in SAN-YYC.

Thanks in advance for any help from anyone.

bb


User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 8):
The only time AC had 2 daily flight to SFO was last summer. Its always been a single daily evening flight. The evening flight will be the one cancelled.

I'm booked on the morning YYC-SFO direct flight in July.. and it's recently been reschedule to arrive a couple of hours earlier than originally scheduled, now arriving at 1040



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