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Possibility Of NYC-STN Flights?  
User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

What is the likelihood that a NYC to STN flight would do well?

Obviously, FR operates a lot of service from that airport. They have a legitimate route network that can feed passengers across Europe cheaply. The flight would be at its cheapest flying out of SWF, but I imagine that one could squeeze in a flight from JFK or EWR as well.

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Who would want to depend on FR for feed, especially considering FR's complete lack of interlining agreements and their bare bones business model?

Biz only has been tried from NYC to LON secondary airports and failed.

BA is trying LCY-JFK in Biz class only, but the draw of that is the stop for preclearence at SNN.(Avoiding JFK customs and immigration).

What market are you thinking as the target market?


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Long time has passed since I heard anything about "RyanAtlancic" or whatever FR's TATL branch would be named. Proposed airports in Europe were STN, DUB, HHN if I recall correctly, liking to secondary US East Coast airports (fares from 50 Euros...), but the whole matter has become very silent.

FR does not offer connecting flights, so people would have manage connections on their own risk. If the fares are really thus low, these flights might well be work, though. Still, there obviously would be more demand if connections would be guaranteed, but I dunno if FR really would change their biz model. And they would need a longhaul aircraft type including crews, layover costs etc.

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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
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AA has tried a New York flight out of STN twice I believe in recent years, and if I am right; both times it failed because of poor yields. I stand to be corrected on that however.

Kev.



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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Wasnt the AA servive pulled shortly after Maxjet went bust? Poor yeilds were blamed but was this the reality?

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 3):
AA has tried a New York flight out of STN twice I believe in recent years, and if I am right; both times it failed because of poor yields. I stand to be corrected on that however.

AA has attempted JFK-STN only once, operating between 28th October 2007 and 2nd July 2008. They did announce their intention to begin a second daily flight in the market in addition to the first, but ultimately pulled off the route altogether before the plan materialized.

AA also operated ORD-STN previously between 15th June 1992 and 31st May 1993.



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User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 3):
AA has tried a New York flight out of STN twice I believe in recent years, and if I am right; both times it failed because of poor yields.

I would say that it's second attempt was actually a roaring success! It killed off Eos and MaxJet within 9 months before either could make a significant dent in AA's other London operations...


User currently offlinetommy212 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

The last time AA flew to STN was purely to kill off EOS and MAXjet as they were taking a lot of business passengers off the JFK-LHR route, the loads AA was flying were good and a lot of cargo seemed to be loaded every day,though no idea on figures. As soon as they 'killed' the competition they withdrew services very quickly. There is definatly a want for transatlantic service from STN by a large number of passengers, just with the economic climate at the moment no-one is willing to take a chance and see if it will be sustainable long term. all services have been started and ended within 2-3 years, hardly long enough to establish a route.

Canada would have more chance of working than America for the moment as services to Toronto with zoom were always full when they did operate. In the next few years they only new routes i could see happening would be charter service to SFB or YYZ. Continental and US Airways have held slots to STN for a number of years but have just been sitting on them not acting on them. Rumors fly round it just depends on which ones turn out to be true.


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Just wait for Air Asia X ...
They are working on it ! - as an extension of their KUL-STN route -

NO KIDDING !



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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
Who would want to depend on FR for feed, especially considering FR's complete lack of interlining agreements and their bare bones business model?

FR passengers are used to flying without interline agreements. If one is motivated enough to fly FR with little or no human help, I'm sure that they would be able to find said connecting service and use it. Especially if they are going to fly onward on FR for ~$7.50. That would be more money for the international service. The NYC-London BA pricing is becoming more rational, so it may be time for such a service.


User currently offlineqwame From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

JA, what would make the SWF-STN flight so cheap?

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

CO's EWR-STN was launched in Summer 2001 and seemed to be off to a reasonably good start, but was yanked with the initial post-9/11 turndown.

It is unlikely that CO will return to the EWR-STN market, instead they have focused their London efforts on LHR. Any additional London service beyond Heathrow would probably only serve to dilute CO's existing traffic, since no NYC-STN options are presently available.


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting qwame (Reply 10):
JA, what would make the SWF-STN flight so cheap?

Lower fees for everything.
Few delays.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting tommy212 (Reply 7):
The last time AA flew to STN was purely to kill off EOS and MAXjet as they were taking a lot of business passengers off the JFK-LHR route, the loads AA was flying were good and a lot of cargo seemed to be loaded every day,though no idea on figures. As soon as they 'killed' the competition they withdrew services very quickly.

Typical AA for you.



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User currently offlineDLPhoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

It can work with connections in NYC (similar to CO at BHX). I believe either CO, AA or DL will give it a try using a 757 eventually. STN has a larger cachement area than some of the secondary airports that work fo CO today, so I think it can work.
As for an FR operated STN-SWF, think Freddy Laker's SkyTrain.

DLP


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