JA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
What is the likelihood that a NYC to STN flight would do well?
Obviously, FR operates a lot of service from that airport. They have a legitimate route network that can feed passengers across Europe cheaply. The flight would be at its cheapest flying out of SWF, but I imagine that one could squeeze in a flight from JFK or EWR as well.
Tobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2303 times:
Long time has passed since I heard anything about "RyanAtlancic" or whatever FR's TATL branch would be named. Proposed airports in Europe were STN, DUB, HHN if I recall correctly, liking to secondary US East Coast airports (fares from 50 Euros...), but the whole matter has become very silent.
FR does not offer connecting flights, so people would have manage connections on their own risk. If the fares are really thus low, these flights might well be work, though. Still, there obviously would be more demand if connections would be guaranteed, but I dunno if FR really would change their biz model. And they would need a longhaul aircraft type including crews, layover costs etc.
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DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
Quoting FlyKev (Reply 3): AA has tried a New York flight out of STN twice I believe in recent years, and if I am right; both times it failed because of poor yields. I stand to be corrected on that however.
AA has attempted JFK-STN only once, operating between 28th October 2007 and 2nd July 2008. They did announce their intention to begin a second daily flight in the market in addition to the first, but ultimately pulled off the route altogether before the plan materialized.
AA also operated ORD-STN previously between 15th June 1992 and 31st May 1993.
tommy212 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
The last time AA flew to STN was purely to kill off EOS and MAXjet as they were taking a lot of business passengers off the JFK-LHR route, the loads AA was flying were good and a lot of cargo seemed to be loaded every day,though no idea on figures. As soon as they 'killed' the competition they withdrew services very quickly. There is definatly a want for transatlantic service from STN by a large number of passengers, just with the economic climate at the moment no-one is willing to take a chance and see if it will be sustainable long term. all services have been started and ended within 2-3 years, hardly long enough to establish a route.
Canada would have more chance of working than America for the moment as services to Toronto with zoom were always full when they did operate. In the next few years they only new routes i could see happening would be charter service to SFB or YYZ. Continental and US Airways have held slots to STN for a number of years but have just been sitting on them not acting on them. Rumors fly round it just depends on which ones turn out to be true.
JA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1): Who would want to depend on FR for feed, especially considering FR's complete lack of interlining agreements and their bare bones business model?
FR passengers are used to flying without interline agreements. If one is motivated enough to fly FR with little or no human help, I'm sure that they would be able to find said connecting service and use it. Especially if they are going to fly onward on FR for ~$7.50. That would be more money for the international service. The NYC-London BA pricing is becoming more rational, so it may be time for such a service.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
CO's EWR-STN was launched in Summer 2001 and seemed to be off to a reasonably good start, but was yanked with the initial post-9/11 turndown.
It is unlikely that CO will return to the EWR-STN market, instead they have focused their London efforts on LHR. Any additional London service beyond Heathrow would probably only serve to dilute CO's existing traffic, since no NYC-STN options are presently available.
JBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
Quoting tommy212 (Reply 7): The last time AA flew to STN was purely to kill off EOS and MAXjet as they were taking a lot of business passengers off the JFK-LHR route, the loads AA was flying were good and a lot of cargo seemed to be loaded every day,though no idea on figures. As soon as they 'killed' the competition they withdrew services very quickly.
Typical AA for you.
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DLPhoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1666 times:
It can work with connections in NYC (similar to CO at BHX). I believe either CO, AA or DL will give it a try using a 757 eventually. STN has a larger cachement area than some of the secondary airports that work fo CO today, so I think it can work.
As for an FR operated STN-SWF, think Freddy Laker's SkyTrain.