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Mexicana Click Aircraft Off Runway At MTY  
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6475 posts, RR: 32
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9436 times:
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The media is reporting a Mexicana Click aircraft is off the runway at MTY. Runway 11/29 is closed and different rescue units are on scene. Two stories are emerging so far 1) The plane suffered a landing gear malfunction and was circling the airport, then, upon landing it failed to stop 2) The plane landed normally and then failed to stop.

Hope this is nothing serious. More info. should become available soon.

http://www.elnorte.com/local/articulo/543/1084877/

Link in Spanish only

[Edited 2010-02-11 19:19:50]

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User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 643 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Hopefully everyone walks away with little or no injury.

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
Link in Spanish only

and for subscribers only..  

are you a member of Fsmex.com by the way?


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6475 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9403 times:
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Aircraft is an F-100 doing MEX-NLD, 29 people onboard. It diverted to MTY due to gear malfunction. MTY is currently closed. Reports only 1 injury.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13457 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9402 times:
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Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
The plane landed normally and then failed to stop.

Is it just me, or does that seem self contradictory.  

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6475 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9360 times:
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True. It sounds kind of contradictory. however, that´s how it was explained when I heard it and I did not want to add anything to it, as there was so little info. available at the time.

[Edited 2010-02-11 19:49:52],

It was XA-HSJ, 96 people on board, reported now.


[Edited 2010-02-11 19:55:09]

User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

Here is more information (Spanish Only) and a video.

http://www.milenio.com/node/380509


User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

Here's the report from Aviation Herald; the aircraft elected to divert to MTY (after it was determined that both MLGs would not extend), fuel was burned off and the aircraft landed; it sustained considerable damage and turned c.180 degrees. Several pax were treated for shock:

http://avherald.com/h?article=42730734&opt=0


User currently offlineenginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8889 times:

With all the recent gear problems involving F100s it is about time that
a) something is being done about it or
b) the type is grounded.

list of F100 incidents/accidents on www.avherald.com


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

Pic Here

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/658240.html


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

MX had a similar incident at GDL a few years ago. I'm not implying the airline is at fault. Maybe some maintenance procedures and directives need to be updated.

User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Quoting enginebird (Reply 8):
b) the type is grounded.

 

It's not as if doors are flying off like on the DC-10. It's a minor issue. OK, it's a pain in the arse for everybody but people aren't going to die if the wheels don't come down.

Either way, glad it ended safely.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Quoting enginebird (Reply 8):
With all the recent gear problems involving F100s it is about time that
a) something is being done about it or
b) the type is grounded.

IIRC, the current plan is that for every ex-YX 717 that comes on line for Click; one F-100 is retired.

So when the last of former-YX 717 (25 in total IIRC) gets converted to Click's arragement and livery; then the last Click F-100 will be retired.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13457 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8543 times:
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Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 11):
OK, it's a pain in the arse for everybody but people aren't going to die if the wheels don't come down.

Nitpick, every gear failure landing has a chance of going really bad. If this keeps up, there will be a catastrophic landing. Then everyone will point fingers at the type as to why it wasn't grounded.

I'm not sure this will be fixed in time to matter. Mexicana Click is soon switching to 717's.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineAM001 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8481 times:
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This has not been a good winter season for Mexican carriers, eh? Two for MX, one for AM... at least, in all these incidents, injuries are minimal...

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 11):

It's not as if doors are flying off like on the DC-10.

Yellow press comments are so much fun!   
Such a stupidly maligned aircraft... yet such a beautiful bird...



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User currently offlinepspfan From Netherlands, joined Mar 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8308 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
(after it was determined that both MLGs would not extend)


Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
Pic Here

looking at the picture, at least the righthand MLG is lowered.

PSPfan



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User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
Is it just me, or does that seem self contradictory.

Not if landing refers to the approach and touchdown part. It doesnt sound contradictory to me.



rolf
User currently offlineTHEGRINCH From Mexico, joined May 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Aircraft involved in the incident is XA-SHJ operating as QA 7222. CN 11319, delivered 1993 directly to MX. Reports indicate 92 PAX and 4 crew (allmost a full flight QA's F100's are set to 100 PAX).

Official MX press release (in English) here: http://bit.ly/bEFHeV

Quoting AM001 (Reply 14):
This has not been a good winter season for Mexican carriers, eh? Two for MX, one for AM... at least, in all these incidents, injuries are minimal...

And let's not forget the Volaris cowling incident at TIJ, I agree not a good winter season.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2):
are you a member of Fsmex.com by the way?

Most of us are...  



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Aircraft appears to be XA-SHJ CN 11319

Quoting AM001 (Reply 14):
This has not been a good winter season for Mexican carriers, eh? Two for MX, one for AM... at least, in all these incidents, injuries are minimal...
Quoting enginebird (Reply 8):
With all the recent gear problems involving F100s it is about time that
a) something is being done about it or
b) the type is grounded.

A service letter went to all operators long time ago.
A service bulletin is in place since long.
There is even a complete new main gear available.
http://www.fokker.com/17669/Fokker_S...arket_Landing_Gear_Fokker_100.html
Fokker can't force operators to do a proper mx job, that's the job of local authorities.



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User currently offlineenginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7581 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
every gear failure landing has a chance of going really bad. If this keeps up, there will be a catastrophic landing. Then everyone will point fingers at the type as to why it wasn't grounded.

        

Exactly!

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 11):
It's not as if doors are flying off like on the DC-10. It's a minor issue. OK, it's a pain in the arse for everybody but people aren't going to die if the wheels don't come down.

Sorry, totally disagree. Any plane out of control is a real danger to people on board and on the ground. How about an F100 catching fire during a belly-landing or one that does not stop on airport grounds and crashes into a house or gas station just behind the airport fence? And even if nobody gets injured or dies, it is bad enough that airports regularly get closed (e.g. STR a few months ago) for whole days just because of a known F100 problem, forcing dozens of other flights to be diverted or cancelled.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Mexicana Click is soon switching to 717's.

Correction: Mexicana Click is switching to 717's.


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Not sure how many of the 25 former-YX birds have come on line yet, but there's at least 7 of them in A.net's photo database.



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

The plane had the left main landing gear stuck, so it landed with only the nose gear and right main gear deployed, left gear never came down.

92 People onboard, plus 4 crew members, all "walked away" from the crash site, no injured, the only person "injured" was an old lady with a nervous crisis, also the isse was that she needed a wheelchair to get moved, despite she got "soaked" by the firemen when they deployed the foam and water to avoid the plane catching fire.

Quoting AM001 (Reply 14):
Yellow press comments are so much fun!

Totally agree, yesterday telerisa reported 120 pax onboard with 125 injured........   

The plane landed on runway 29 and skidded off the runway near the runway 16-34 intersection, there was a little drizzle that made the runway work harder to determine the damage and that´s why the airport got closed more time than expected, also heavy fog from 4am until 8m made the airport closed more time.

I´d like to congrat the crew here, really young but thanks to their training all passenger could walk away, actually when they got into the aerocar, the passengers thanked the crew and gave them a big congrat for their job.

Best Regards



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User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
Not sure how many of the 25 former-YX birds have come on line yet, but there's at least 7 of them in A.net's photo database.



According to ATDB, there are 15 717's currently active and 19 F-100.

Link: http://www.aerotransport.org/php/go....=Mexicana+Click&where=117220&luck=

Best Regards,


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13457 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5837 times:
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
Correction: Mexicana Click is switching to 717's.

I stand ready to be corrected by the 717 fanbase at any time.     

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
Not sure how many of the 25 former-YX birds have come on line yet, but there's at least 7 of them in A.net's photo database.

Ok, it seems like yesterday that I read the first press-release on the lease.    Then again, the last birds were in doubt of the source then (Republic).

With the average age of the F-100's at 18.5 years, it is time for new frames. When this 7 year lease expires, the 717's will only average 12.7 years (using PHLBOS's link and assuming that average is good).

Quoting olli (Reply 22):
According to ATDB, there are 15 717's currently active and 19 F-100.

I missed this announcement:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...erates-boeing-717-acquisition.html

That is an aggressive change over!

However, with only 10 more 717 scheduled to come over, that leaves a few F-100's to replace. Are opperations shrinking in frequency or are some of those F-100's idle waiting return to leasor?

Quoting enginebird (Reply 19):
How about an F100 catching fire during a belly-landing or one that does not stop on airport grounds and crashes into a house or gas station just behind the airport fence? And even if nobody gets injured or dies, it is bad enough that airports regularly get closed (e.g. STR a few months ago) for whole days just because of a known F100 problem, forcing dozens of other flights to be diverted or cancelled.

Yea... regular gear problems are serious. No wonder the replacement was accelerated. (How did I miss that?)  

Is it bad to point out I'm curious what Mexicana Click will do at the 717 lease expiration?    Seriously, that will be an interesting decision point!   

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
Is it bad to point out I'm curious what Mexicana Click will do at the 717 lease expiration? Seriously, that will be an interesting decision point!

Hi Neil, I believe that at some point the management was quoted as saying that they would consider the C-Series as a 717 replacement.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 ghost77 : Right and just like THEGRINCH just reported, add the one from Volaris @ TIJ. And the result is: XA-WAC, Aerolitoral, WFU XA-SHJ, Mexicana Click, WFU
26 yyz717 : I was in MTY on business Thur & Fri. This incident caused alot of delays and rebookings for Friday. Combined with the DFW snow storm on Friday, AA
27 ghost77 : Neil, nice input here... Which one you liked the most... is service better on Click than MX? g77
28 yyz717 : Service was better on Click. FA's were younger and seemed eager to please. The 717 had nice dark brown leather seats with dark blue interior. Obviousl
29 Post contains images N405MX : They reported "Low Fuel Emergency", so QA7222 had to do another hold (burning more fuel) so the last one arriving was the COEX erj. N634MX, needing s
30 Marcus : Wait wait wait.....can you provide details on this?....I only knew about AM's regional ERJ at TIJ and now this F100 from Click at MTY.....a Volaris i
31 N405MX : About 2 weeks ago, an A320 lost an engine cowling, harder on those planes because they are IAE powered, seems neglicence could be the fact, the plane
32 Post contains images AM744 : Exactly. Double standards on behalf of our government. That really hurts the much needed and invoked competitiveness. Crony capitalism anyone? SCT ta
33 N405MX : "Political Crimes....." 6A issue is one of many in name of "Presidente Calderón" and some blaim "Mi comandante"..... You should seen how DGAC was th
34 ajd1992 : You never hear of a passenger dying because the wheels didn't come down. If it was something like a fire, that's not the direct effect of the wheels,
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