AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 27 Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7621 times:
The media is reporting a Mexicana Click aircraft is off the runway at MTY. Runway 11/29 is closed and different rescue units are on scene. Two stories are emerging so far 1) The plane suffered a landing gear malfunction and was circling the airport, then, upon landing it failed to stop 2) The plane landed normally and then failed to stop.
Hope this is nothing serious. More info. should become available soon.
PWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 574 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7630 times:
Hopefully everyone walks away with little or no injury.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7587 times:
Quoting AR385 (Thread starter): The plane landed normally and then failed to stop.
Is it just me, or does that seem self contradictory.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 27 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7545 times:
True. It sounds kind of contradictory. however, that´s how it was explained when I heard it and I did not want to add anything to it, as there was so little info. available at the time.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7161 times:
Here's the report from Aviation Herald; the aircraft elected to divert to MTY (after it was determined that both MLGs would not extend), fuel was burned off and the aircraft landed; it sustained considerable damage and turned c.180 degrees. Several pax were treated for shock:
enginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7074 times:
With all the recent gear problems involving F100s it is about time that
a) something is being done about it or
b) the type is grounded.
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6866 times:
MX had a similar incident at GDL a few years ago. I'm not implying the airline is at fault. Maybe some maintenance procedures and directives need to be updated.
It's not as if doors are flying off like on the DC-10. It's a minor issue. OK, it's a pain in the arse for everybody but people aren't going to die if the wheels don't come down.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6738 times:
Quoting enginebird (Reply 8): With all the recent gear problems involving F100s it is about time that
a) something is being done about it or
b) the type is grounded.
IIRC, the current plan is that for every ex-YX 717 that comes on line for Click; one F-100 is retired.
So when the last of former-YX 717 (25 in total IIRC) gets converted to Click's arragement and livery; then the last Click F-100 will be retired.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6728 times:
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 11): OK, it's a pain in the arse for everybody but people aren't going to die if the wheels don't come down.
Nitpick, every gear failure landing has a chance of going really bad. If this keeps up, there will be a catastrophic landing. Then everyone will point fingers at the type as to why it wasn't grounded.
I'm not sure this will be fixed in time to matter. Mexicana Click is soon switching to 717's.
AM001 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6666 times:
This has not been a good winter season for Mexican carriers, eh? Two for MX, one for AM... at least, in all these incidents, injuries are minimal...
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 11):
It's not as if doors are flying off like on the DC-10.
Yellow press comments are so much fun!
Such a stupidly maligned aircraft... yet such a beautiful bird...
"Je vole car cela libere mon esprit de la tyrannie des choses insignifiantes" - St. Exupery
THEGRINCH From Mexico, joined May 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6166 times:
Aircraft involved in the incident is XA-SHJ operating as QA 7222. CN 11319, delivered 1993 directly to MX. Reports indicate 92 PAX and 4 crew (allmost a full flight QA's F100's are set to 100 PAX).
Quoting AM001 (Reply 14): This has not been a good winter season for Mexican carriers, eh? Two for MX, one for AM... at least, in all these incidents, injuries are minimal...
And let's not forget the Volaris cowling incident at TIJ, I agree not a good winter season.
Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2): are you a member of Fsmex.com by the way?
Aviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 46 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5916 times:
Aircraft appears to be XA-SHJ CN 11319
Quoting AM001 (Reply 14): This has not been a good winter season for Mexican carriers, eh? Two for MX, one for AM... at least, in all these incidents, injuries are minimal...
Quoting enginebird (Reply 8): With all the recent gear problems involving F100s it is about time that
a) something is being done about it or
b) the type is grounded.
A service letter went to all operators long time ago.
A service bulletin is in place since long.
There is even a complete new main gear available. http://www.fokker.com/17669/Fokker_S...arket_Landing_Gear_Fokker_100.html
Fokker can't force operators to do a proper mx job, that's the job of local authorities.
The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
enginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): every gear failure landing has a chance of going really bad. If this keeps up, there will be a catastrophic landing. Then everyone will point fingers at the type as to why it wasn't grounded.
Exactly!
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 11): It's not as if doors are flying off like on the DC-10. It's a minor issue. OK, it's a pain in the arse for everybody but people aren't going to die if the wheels don't come down.
Sorry, totally disagree. Any plane out of control is a real danger to people on board and on the ground. How about an F100 catching fire during a belly-landing or one that does not stop on airport grounds and crashes into a house or gas station just behind the airport fence? And even if nobody gets injured or dies, it is bad enough that airports regularly get closed (e.g. STR a few months ago) for whole days just because of a known F100 problem, forcing dozens of other flights to be diverted or cancelled.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5619 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): Mexicana Click is soon switching to 717's.
N405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5547 times:
The plane had the left main landing gear stuck, so it landed with only the nose gear and right main gear deployed, left gear never came down.
92 People onboard, plus 4 crew members, all "walked away" from the crash site, no injured, the only person "injured" was an old lady with a nervous crisis, also the isse was that she needed a wheelchair to get moved, despite she got "soaked" by the firemen when they deployed the foam and water to avoid the plane catching fire.
Quoting AM001 (Reply 14): Yellow press comments are so much fun!
The plane landed on runway 29 and skidded off the runway near the runway 16-34 intersection, there was a little drizzle that made the runway work harder to determine the damage and that´s why the airport got closed more time than expected, also heavy fog from 4am until 8m made the airport closed more time.
I´d like to congrat the crew here, really young but thanks to their training all passenger could walk away, actually when they got into the aerocar, the passengers thanked the crew and gave them a big congrat for their job.
Best Regards
Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
olli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4860 times:
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20): Not sure how many of the 25 former-YX birds have come on line yet, but there's at least 7 of them in A.net's photo database.
According to ATDB, there are 15 717's currently active and 19 F-100.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20): Correction: Mexicana Click is switching to 717's.
I stand ready to be corrected by the 717 fanbase at any time.
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20): Not sure how many of the 25 former-YX birds have come on line yet, but there's at least 7 of them in A.net's photo database.
Ok, it seems like yesterday that I read the first press-release on the lease. Then again, the last birds were in doubt of the source then (Republic).
With the average age of the F-100's at 18.5 years, it is time for new frames. When this 7 year lease expires, the 717's will only average 12.7 years (using PHLBOS's link and assuming that average is good).
Quoting olli (Reply 22): According to ATDB, there are 15 717's currently active and 19 F-100.
However, with only 10 more 717 scheduled to come over, that leaves a few F-100's to replace. Are opperations shrinking in frequency or are some of those F-100's idle waiting return to leasor?
Quoting enginebird (Reply 19): How about an F100 catching fire during a belly-landing or one that does not stop on airport grounds and crashes into a house or gas station just behind the airport fence? And even if nobody gets injured or dies, it is bad enough that airports regularly get closed (e.g. STR a few months ago) for whole days just because of a known F100 problem, forcing dozens of other flights to be diverted or cancelled.
Yea... regular gear problems are serious. No wonder the replacement was accelerated. (How did I miss that?)
Is it bad to point out I'm curious what Mexicana Click will do at the 717 lease expiration? Seriously, that will be an interesting decision point!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7175 posts, RR: 45 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3277 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23): Is it bad to point out I'm curious what Mexicana Click will do at the 717 lease expiration? Seriously, that will be an interesting decision point!
Hi Neil, I believe that at some point the management was quoted as saying that they would consider the C-Series as a 717 replacement.
25 ghost77: Right and just like THEGRINCH just reported, add the one from Volaris @ TIJ. And the result is: XA-WAC, Aerolitoral, WFU XA-SHJ, Mexicana Click, WFU
26 yyz717: I was in MTY on business Thur & Fri. This incident caused alot of delays and rebookings for Friday. Combined with the DFW snow storm on Friday, AA
27 ghost77: Neil, nice input here... Which one you liked the most... is service better on Click than MX? g77
28 yyz717: Service was better on Click. FA's were younger and seemed eager to please. The 717 had nice dark brown leather seats with dark blue interior. Obviousl
29 N405MX: They reported "Low Fuel Emergency", so QA7222 had to do another hold (burning more fuel) so the last one arriving was the COEX erj. N634MX, needing s
30 Marcus: Wait wait wait.....can you provide details on this?....I only knew about AM's regional ERJ at TIJ and now this F100 from Click at MTY.....a Volaris i
31 N405MX: About 2 weeks ago, an A320 lost an engine cowling, harder on those planes because they are IAE powered, seems neglicence could be the fact, the plane
32 AM744: Exactly. Double standards on behalf of our government. That really hurts the much needed and invoked competitiveness. Crony capitalism anyone? SCT ta
33 N405MX: "Political Crimes....." 6A issue is one of many in name of "Presidente Calderón" and some blaim "Mi comandante"..... You should seen how DGAC was th
34 ajd1992: You never hear of a passenger dying because the wheels didn't come down. If it was something like a fire, that's not the direct effect of the wheels,
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Then again, the last birds were in doubt of the source then (Republic).
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