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OAG Changes 2/12/2010: AA/AC/CO/DL/F9/FL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7218 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...

AA
DFW-ABI 7.9>6.9 APR-
DFW-AMA 8.9>6.9 APR-
DFW-CRP 8.9>7.9 APR-
DFW-DSM 6.7>5.9 APR-
DFW-GRK 10.6>9.7 APR-
DFW-JAN 8.9>7.9 APR-
DFW-MOB 3.9>3.0 APR-
DFW-SPS 4.9>4.0 APR-

AC
These are pretty much all take effect in MAY
ATL-YYZ 5.4>4.4
BOS-YHZ 2.0>3.0
BWI-YYZ 3.7>4.7
CMH-YYZ 3.6>2.6
CVG-YYZ 0.0>2.0
EWR-YYZ 6.6>5.7
LAS-YEG 0.3>0.0
LAX-YEG 1.0>0.0
LAX-YUL 2.0>2.6
LAX-YVR 4.9>4.0
LAX-YYC 3.0>2.0
LGA-YHZ 0.9>0.0
LGA-YYZ 10.0>10.7
MEM-YYZ 0.0>1.8
MHT-YYZ 2.6>1.7
ORD-YUL 3.7>4.5
PDX-YYZ 0.0>1.0
PHL-YYZ 4.7>3.5
PHX-YYC 0.3>0.0
PWM-YYZ 0.0>2.0
SAN-YYC 1.0>0.0
SAN-YYZ 0.0>1.0
SFO-YYC 2.0>1.0
SNA-YYZ 0.0>1.0
SYR-YYZ 0.0>2.0

B6
BOS-PUJ 0>1/WK MAY-

CO
CLE-MCO 3.9>2.9 MAY-
EWR-LHR 3>4 MAR-
EWR-SEA 4>5 JUN-AUG
IAH-MFE 8>6 JUN-AUG
IAH-PTY 2>3 JUN-AUG

DL
ATL-AMS 2>1 JUN-AUG
(KLM Hub can't support 2 peak rts??)
ATL-GRR 4>3 MAY-
(FL entered GRR, but not from ATL and they cut a trip...coincidence?)
BGR-JFK 2>0 APR-
PWM-JFK 3>0 APR-
YHZ-JFK 1>0 APR- (TO LGA)
BOS-TPA 2>0 APR-
IAD-CVG 2>1 APR-
CVG-MSY 1>2 APR-
FLL-TLH 2>1 APR-
GRR-MCO 0>1/WK MAY- (FL response, svc was set to end for Summer prev)
IND-LAS 3/WK>0 APR-
MEM-YYZ 0>2 MAY- (AC RESPONSE)
SLC-MEX 2/WK>3/WK JUN-

I had predicted DL would move some JFK domestic svc to LGA with the US-DL slot deal, this was probably filed before the negative DOJ/DOT announcement and it shows some swaps.

F9
DEN-FLL 2>1 MAY-
DEN-MCO 2>1 MAY-

FL
ATL-DFW 6>7 APR-
ATL-FNT 3>4 MAY-
ATL-HOU 5>6 MAY-
ATL-MCI 3>4 MAY-
ATL-PWM 0>1 MAY-
ATL-STL 3>4 MAY-
BOS-CAK 1>2 MAY-
BOS-PHF 1>2 MAY-
BOS-RSW 1>0 MAY-
BWI-GRR 0>3 MAY-
BWI-JAX 0>2 MAY-
BWI-ROC 2>3 MAY-
CAK-RSW 1>0 MAY-
DAY-TPA 1>1/WK MAY-
EYW-MCO 4/WK>1 MAY-
FNT-TPA 1>0 MAY-
FNT-RSW 1>1/WK MAY-
GRR-MCO 0>1 JUN-
GRR-RSW 0>2/WK JUN-
GRR-TPA 0>2/WK JUN-
IND-SRQ 1>0 MAY-
LGA-MCO 9/WK>2/WK MAY-
LGA-MKE 3>4 MAY-
MKE-SEA 1>2 MAY-
MKE-SFO 1>2 MAY-

Interesting that they cut FNT-Florida as they add it in GRR.

UA
BZN-SFO 0>1 JUN-
GRR-DEN 1>2 JUN- (F9 RESPONSE)
JAC-DEN 4>5 JUN-
JAC-ORD 1>2 JUN-
TVC-DEN 0>1 JUN-

US
CLT-PDX 0>1 JUN-
CLT-SMF 0>1 JUN-
LAS-PIT 1>0 JUN-

WG
LAS-YYZ 0>2/WK MAY-
MCO-YYZ 0>1/WK MAY-
Both of those svcs were set to seasonally end prior to this week.

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7593 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-GRR 4>3 MAY-
(FL entered GRR, but not from ATL and they cut a trip...coincidence?)

This is going from 4x CR7 to 3x DC-9-50. Overall, net increase in seats, and adding mainline 2-class service.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-GRR 4>3 MAY-
(FL entered GRR, but not from ATL and they cut a trip...coincidence?)

They cut a trip but now all three are D95s so DL still added a lot of capacity.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-CVG 2>1 APR-

Does anyone think this route isn't just going to be cut completely in a few months?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
GRR-MCO 0>1/WK MAY- (FL response, svc was set to end for Summer prev)

That'll show G4 and FL...  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
IND-LAS 3/WK>0 APR-

Calling FL to make it a year-round route.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BWI-GRR 0>3 MAY-

Was announced as twice daily.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
EYW-MCO 4/WK>1 MAY-

Must be going pretty well.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
GRR-RSW 0>2/WK JUN-
GRR-TPA 0>2/WK JUN-

Starting sooner than I expected.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LGA-MKE 3>4 MAY-
MKE-SEA 1>2 MAY-
MKE-SFO 1>2 MAY-

Very interesting. LGA-MKE was three daily last summer but four daily the summer before. Unlike last summer, SEA and SFO both have two daily flights on every day of the week instead of 10x weekly and 11x weekly respectively. I wonder if FL has anything else in store for MKE this summer.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LAS-PIT 1>0 JUN-

Killing two former hubs with one stone. US has already made LAS-SFO all Mesa and LAS-LAX all Mesa but one flight. This summer US will have 25 mainline flights and 10 USX flights at LAS. That's it. The DFW route is even more odd now.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
Does anyone think this route isn't just going to be cut completely in a few months?

What is the frequency of UA's service on this route? Didn't UA increase the frequency of ORD-CVG?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7218 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
This is going from 4x CR7 to 3x DC-9-50. Overall, net increase in seats, and adding mainline 2-class service.

OK, still a reaction to FL, though. They just added Florida connecting seats. I knew something was up with it. GRR has a Florida war and a little DEN war going. Good for them!

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
Does anyone think this route isn't just going to be cut completely in a few months?

Not me. G-O-N-E

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
That'll show G4 and FL...

It's always good economics to add non-strategic flights at much higher CASM than your competitors!   

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
Calling FL to make it a year-round route.

...and then DL will discover their "filing error" and resume it.  
Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
Was announced as twice daily.

I thought so too, but it is definitely showing 3. There may be a dupe situation with two flights at the same time. I don't keep the times because the download is already gi-normous!

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
Must be going pretty well.

EYW has needed more service for a long time. Maybe they will upgrade the runway a little bit and then they'll get a lot of service.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
Killing two former hubs with one stone.

True...I had forgotten they still flew it. Who will add it? WN already flies it, right? LAS has real problems outside the Allegiant markets. WN is the only carrier that will do point-to-point flying there to big-ish cities. (almost) PIT will probably not be able to replace that capacity.  


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2668 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WG

Is that suppose to be WS??

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-YYZ 0>2 MAY- (AC RESPONSE)

I can't see 4 MEM-YYZ lasting real long.. doesn't seem like a big market



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10250 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
...and then DL will discover their "filing error" and resume it.

The weird thing is though, that FL is flying IND-LAS from March 11 to April 11 so it's as if DL is asking FL to keep flying it. But you're probably right that if FL does extend the service, DL will too.

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
I thought so too, but it is definitely showing 3. There may be a dupe situation with two flights at the same time. I don't keep the times because the download is already gi-normous!

I wasn't saying you were wrong, it actually is loaded at 3 daily with no mistake. BWI-GRR has 1030am, 330pm, and 9pm flights while GRR-BWI has 630am, 1pm, and 6pm flights. FL must think they can create some demand and I believe they will.

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
True...I had forgotten they still flew it. Who will add it? WN already flies it, right? LAS has real problems outside the Allegiant markets. WN is the only carrier that will do point-to-point flying there to big-ish cities. (almost) PIT will probably not be able to replace that capacity.

I doubt anyone will add it. WN flies it twice daily. You're right that WN and G4 are basically all that LAS can expect for growth anytime soon. The reason LAS works so well with WN is that whenever their flights don't fill with O&D they can just fill the rest with connecting passengers. And I don't see anyone else trying to build any type of a hub at LAS against WN.

Thanks again for doing these updates BTW.



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-YYZ 0>2 MAY- (AC RESPONSE)

I can't see 4 MEM-YYZ lasting real long.. doesn't seem like a big market

Actually, it appears that DL is adding (or, adding back) this flight in response to AC. Northwest used to fly this route, but dropped it. Currently, no one is flying it. Air Canada saw an opportunity, especially with MEM likely having reduced flights due to DL hub redundancies. Depending on how much of a hub is left, AC could do well on this route, as they will be getting not only the YYZ traffic, but everything beyond YYZ as well.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10113 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 7):
Air Canada saw an opportunity, especially with MEM likely having reduced flights due to DL hub redundancies.

How many flights or seats has MEM lost post-merger? DL has added five destinations (DAL, LBB, MFE, SLC, JFK).



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6614 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10100 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-PWM 0>1 MAY-

Good to see this one comeback on FL. This was a test market last summer, so apparently it was strong enough to test again.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 6):

I wasn't saying you were wrong, it actually is loaded at 3 daily with no mistake. BWI-GRR has 1030am, 330pm, and 9pm flights while GRR-BWI has 630am, 1pm, and 6pm flights. FL must think they can create some demand and I believe they will.

If ROC can support 3x to BWI, then really I think GRR should be able to.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
GRR-RSW 0>2/WK JUN-
GRR-TPA 0>2/WK JUN-

These seem weird. I'm not sure why you'd launch RSW in the summer.


User currently offlinekrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10065 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 9):
These seem weird. I'm not sure why you'd launch RSW in the summer.

I was thinking the same thing. The only thing I could think of was maybe trying to prevent G4 from starting GRR-PGD.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 9):
If ROC can support 3x to BWI, then really I think GRR should be able to.

True but some would probably argue that it flows into BWI the wrong way versus ROC. You can connect almost anywhere in BWI from ROC but I don't see people flying GRR-BWI-Florida/West Coast. I still think it will do fine though.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 9):
These seem weird. I'm not sure why you'd launch RSW in the summer.

It does seem weird and I'm wondering if FL is really going to fly twice daily MKE-RSW in the summer. It seems like those flights should/will be moved to PHL, CLT, or somewhere else new because the times are perfect.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10014 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 11):
You can connect almost anywhere in BWI from ROC but I don't see people flying GRR-BWI-Florida/West Coast.

GRR-BWI-Florida makes as much sense as GRR-ATL-Florida, GRR-ORD-Florida, or GRR-DTW-Florida. I'll give you the west coast, though (although by the same token, people aren't going to fly ROC-BWI-northeast, so those might balance out).



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9991 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
GRR-BWI-Florida makes as much sense as GRR-ATL-Florida, GRR-ORD-Florida, or GRR-DTW-Florida.

Yes but FL will already be flying GRR-MCO/TPA/RSW so why would people need to connect? I was considering those flights when I said people wouldn't connect because I think people would if there were not already nonstops.

Edit: I guess you're right that direction has nothing to do with it though because people would connect GRR-BWI-Florida if there was not a nonstop.

[Edited 2010-02-12 16:28:44]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 13):
Yes but FL will already be flying GRR-MCO/TPA/RSW so why would people need to connect?

More schedule options.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
More schedule options.

Yeah, I'm just gonna admit I didn't think it through. People are going to connect in BWI to Florida, just not as many as there would be without nonstops.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6614 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 15):
Yeah, I'm just gonna admit I didn't think it through. People are going to connect in BWI to Florida, just not as many as there would be without nonstops.

There's also other Florida markets (JAX, FLL), plus ATL, CLT, BOS, PWM, SJU, MBJ, NAS and CUN will all be available for GRR to connect to.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9806 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
There's also other Florida markets (JAX, FLL), plus ATL, CLT, BOS, PWM, SJU, MBJ, NAS and CUN will all be available for GRR to connect to.

I know and I said I think it will do fine. I tried to make a counter argument but I realized it wasn't much of argument other than no one is going to connect to the west coast. Just forget my posts after post 11.  



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 15):
People are going to connect in BWI to Florida, just not as many as there would be without nonstops.

Not as many as if there were just BWI, no. But they'll get more than if FL were not in GRR at all.



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User currently offlineAltairF28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8959 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

BGR-JFK 2>0 APR-
PWM-JFK 3>0 APR-
YHZ-JFK 1>0 APR- (TO LGA)
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I had predicted DL would move some JFK domestic svc to LGA with the US-DL slot deal, this was probably filed before the negative DOJ/DOT announcement and it shows some swaps

So do you think these will be added back next week? Also, what about the LGA flights that were added last week?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-TPA 2>0 APR-

Wow, other then the time it was NW metal I think DL has been flying this ever since the Northeast merger. I wonder if this is a mistake.

Quoting nkops (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WG

Is that suppose to be WS??

WG is Sunwing and this sounds right. I don't think WS would have ever planned to make MCO-YYZ seasonal in the first place.



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User currently offlinesocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8901 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SNA-YYZ 0.0>1.0

Did I miss something?? I thought they could not operate Canada flight out of SNA due to a lack of an FIS? I believe Alaska found this out the hard way. And when did they get the SNA slot?


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2668 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8817 times:

Quoting AltairF28 (Reply 19):
WG is Sunwing and this sounds right.

Thank you.. the roll-over doesn't work on this code.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2453 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8438 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
GRR-DEN 1>2 JUN- (F9 RESPONSE)

UAL has typically operated 2X GRR-DEN during the summer months, and has even used mainline a/c for one of the two flights. I don't see this as much of a response.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3362 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

Quoting socalatc (Reply 20):
Did I miss something?? I thought they could not operate Canada flight out of SNA due to a lack of an FIS? I believe Alaska found this out the hard way. And when did they get the SNA slot?

Doesn't YYZ have preclearance facilities?


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Quoting socalatc (Reply 20):
Did I miss something?? I thought they could not operate Canada flight out of SNA due to a lack of an FIS? I believe Alaska found this out the hard way. And when did they get the SNA slot?

Doesn't YYZ have preclearance facilities?

Yes, but so does YVR - and AS was still barred from flying YVR-SNA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
TVC-DEN 0>1 JUN-

This is a nice surprise. It amazes me how well TVC has held up, despite the depression in other parts of Michigan.



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25 DCA-ROCguy : True but some would probably argue that it flows into BWI the wrong way versus ROC. You can connect almost anywhere in BWI from ROC but I don't see pe
26 Coronado : I think KLM has its own metal also operating this route so I suspect that the former active practice of NWA-KLM to swap metal depending on the season
27 KingAir200 : Perhaps, but from what I've heard, the introduction of the DC-9 on GRR-ATL was in the works even before anyone knew that FL was coming to GRR.
28 AVLAirlineFreq : Yeah, that surprised me, too. I know northern Michigan is very popular in the summer, but I am surprised UA would do a flight like that which overfli
29 Post contains links FATFlyer : LAXintl explained it all here about 2 weeks ago, see post # 18 at the link below. Air Canada Adds 7 More American Cities (by LIPZ Jan 27 2010 in Civi
30 DeltAirlines : Not at all - they are finally starting to do domestic cross-fleeting outside of Florida routes now. GRR-ATL was a market ripe for a 100-120 seater -
31 SANFan : You beat me to it, 'Flyer! (A.net was suffering some sort of ailment for a while and I couldn't get anything to work right!) bb
32 CALMSP : very true.......not a direct response to F9's announcement.
33 Cubsrule : ...although that's only a partial answer, as SNA still needs to get some sort of international designation as well (they are domestic only now), or a
34 FATFlyer : User-fee status for international flights at SNA was being worked on in late 2009. LAXintl or someone else has probably followed that closer than I h
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : They've flown this route seasonally at least for the past summer or two.
36 FlyDreamliner : I honestly don't see why DL is defending it. It can't be that big, AC is no threat to their MEM operation. They are cutting down MEM anyhow. This one
37 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : This probably isn't in the OAG schedules yet, but in June I can see 3x MEM-AMA on DL
38 Jetmatt777 : I see it too. Neither DL or NW do not currently serve AMA, so this appears to be a new station opening. Maybe we will see AMA get SLC sometime, too?
39 surfandsnow : Quite a few cuts to the regional flying from DFW. Perhaps AA has completely saturated the nearby Texan/Southern/Great Plains markets and now has to f
40 Post contains images enilria : Nope WG, but you made me look! Which is why it is a dumb gut reaction from DL. AC will probably blink first, they are almost as bad as AM with bailin
41 Jetmatt777 : Shorter stage length for one. On a CRJ that long of a flight is very risky when starting a new station.
42 AVLAirlineFreq : You're right--I had just forgotten that. It surprised me a couple of years ago, too!
43 Post contains images Macsog6 : enilria, Add my hearty thanks to this as well. You were the reason I started reading this feature and I look forward to your posting whenever I see a
44 MtnWest1979 : As stated above, shorter stage length. Plus, I feel, trying to funnel more pax thru MEM (and thus, less crunch on ATL) to bolster its numbers, and pe
45 Cubsrule : I don't know that it's necessarily about bolstering numbers. Given that ATL is a bigger hub and has a larger local market, any connection that can go
46 Post contains images enilria : Thanks, I appreciate that!
47 socalatc : But there must be a customs presence at the airport, which SNA does not have.
48 AVLAirlineFreq : It will be interesting to see how this strategy plays out. There is a small handful of other new/previous markets (particularly in TX and NM...places
49 jkudall : Several flights were loaded this weekend showing some other summer changes including: Increased service from SLC to MCI, OKC,TUL, OMA, FAR among other
50 CIDflyer : Does DL seem in the mode to be "connecting the dots" again? I would really like to see some more cities that have only DTW nad MSP service gain some A
51 PSU.DTW.SCE : The Texas cities are better served via MEM since it reduces the stage length of the flights. The economics of the CRJ significantly deteorate, and the
52 USAirALB : Ahh, miss those old birds. Did GRR ever recieve any 738s? I wish they would put those DC9s on the ALB route already
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : Nope. Never a 738. As said, there was 73S on there until they were retired, then it went all-RJ. There are some routes out of ATL, like GRR which are
54 CALMSP : GRR did have MD8-something service to CVG..........plane was massive sitting there!!
55 JaxMan19 : Its great to see JAX get new FL service, if im right JAX has lost FL service in recent years? and would JAX require another gate for the new BWI servi
56 Cubsrule : No - they should easily be able to fit them between the four ATL flights.
57 Buddys747 : Is FL making this year round or seasonal like last year?
58 FL787 : It's only showing as operating until Sept. 7th. I don't think the route would work year-round anyway.
59 Post contains images Buddys747 : Ok. I know last year it hung on a little later than it was supposed to. MDT to ATL was announced the same time as PWM-ATL was. I'm not so sure it's c
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