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MQ RON Crew Rest Requirement  
User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 319 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quick question, and excuse me if I'm using the wrong terminology. I know that crews that are RON require a certain number of hours of rest before they can fly again the next morning. What is that number please? This is for MQ, if it makes a difference.

Thank you!

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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

There are a number of potentially limiting factors, but the basic rule is 8 or 9 hours of "rest" are federally mandated. No idea if MQ has contractual limits beyond that.


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

8 hours rest, from block 'in' to block 'out' is FAR minimum. AA Eagle *loves* to push this limit too, but I hear (fortunately) this will be changed soon.

8 hours block rest is WAYY too short, IMO. Suppose you are scheduled in at 11pm and leaving again at 7am. You get in at 11p, get to the hotel by 1130p, then actually fall asleep by about midnight. Your pickup back to the airport is probably around 530a, so you'll have to wakeup around 500a. 5 hours sleep is not a decent - or safe - amount of sleep by any possible measure.


User currently offlinedispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
5 hours sleep is not a decent - or safe - amount of sleep by any possible measure.

Thats my standard amount of sleep - the older I get, the less sleep I get - one of the sick jokes you discover as you get older.

And I can work just fine on 5 hours, as long as the QUALITY of those 5 is good...

DG



Nobody screws you better than an airline job!
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 3):
And I can work just fine on 5 hours, as long as the QUALITY of those 5 is good...

*shrugs*

NASA would beg to differ  


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 3):
And I can work just fine on 5 hours, as long as the QUALITY of those 5 is good



I concur. For me, sleeping any longer than that has the same affect as not sleeping at all.
To say 8 or more for EVERYONE is desired, seems a bit of a stretch. I know how much is 'right' for me.

But do you include sleeping time in cockpit?   jk.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 5):
But do you include sleeping time in cockpit? jk.

It's too bad the FAA didn't go for controlled rest in the cockpit. That would have been a huge leap forward in reducing crew fatigue.


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 3):
And I can work just fine on 5 hours, as long as the QUALITY of those 5 is good...

Of course the most hazardous thing that can happen if you fell asleep at work is you fall out of your chair. If your crew is fatigued the stakes are bit higher.


User currently offlinextoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Of course the most hazardous thing that can happen if you fell asleep at work is you fall out of your chair. If your crew is fatigued the stakes are bit higher.

If you're harnessed in your seat, you won't fall out.  



EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3475 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

MQ is VERY bad with this rule. Overnights are supposed to be scheduled to a min of 8.5 at Eagle . . . and they are. But with bases like ORD and LGA and 20-30 minute turns, delays can be expected all the times. When they reschedule the crews, it is only to 8 hours of rest and a reduced show time in the morning.

To give you an idea of an airline layover:

1. The clock starts from 15 min after block in
2. Wait for Van to hotel (10 min)
3. Drive to hotel (10 min)
4. Checkin and get to room (5 min)
5. Get ready for bed (5 min)
6. Iron crumpy uniform shirt in bag for tomorrow (can be done at night or in morning) 5 min
7. Fall asleep in bed (10 min)
8. Get up, showered, ready, be outside waiting for van (30 min)
9. Drive to airport (10 min)

Thats 8 hours - 1 hr and 25 min. If everything goes perfect, you fall asleep quickly and stay asleep, the hotel is no further than 10 min from the airport, you may get 6:35 of sleep.

Add a call home in the privacy of your room or "time to unwind" in front of the TV and it is less. A lot of the female crew can not get ready in 30 min in the morning either. Sometimes they need an hour . . . then it becomes 5:35.

Until this is fixed, we will continue to see fatigued crewmembers flying around . . . and that is a very bad thing!


User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

You all gave me what I need to know. Thank you so much for the info!

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