AAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 337 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
Quick question, and excuse me if I'm using the wrong terminology. I know that crews that are RON require a certain number of hours of rest before they can fly again the next morning. What is that number please? This is for MQ, if it makes a difference.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3251 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2778 times:
8 hours rest, from block 'in' to block 'out' is FAR minimum. AA Eagle *loves* to push this limit too, but I hear (fortunately) this will be changed soon.
8 hours block rest is WAYY too short, IMO. Suppose you are scheduled in at 11pm and leaving again at 7am. You get in at 11p, get to the hotel by 1130p, then actually fall asleep by about midnight. Your pickup back to the airport is probably around 530a, so you'll have to wakeup around 500a. 5 hours sleep is not a decent - or safe - amount of sleep by any possible measure.
JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4062 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
MQ is VERY bad with this rule. Overnights are supposed to be scheduled to a min of 8.5 at Eagle . . . and they are. But with bases like ORD and LGA and 20-30 minute turns, delays can be expected all the times. When they reschedule the crews, it is only to 8 hours of rest and a reduced show time in the morning.
To give you an idea of an airline layover:
1. The clock starts from 15 min after block in
2. Wait for Van to hotel (10 min)
3. Drive to hotel (10 min)
4. Checkin and get to room (5 min)
5. Get ready for bed (5 min)
6. Iron crumpy uniform shirt in bag for tomorrow (can be done at night or in morning) 5 min
7. Fall asleep in bed (10 min)
8. Get up, showered, ready, be outside waiting for van (30 min)
9. Drive to airport (10 min)
Thats 8 hours - 1 hr and 25 min. If everything goes perfect, you fall asleep quickly and stay asleep, the hotel is no further than 10 min from the airport, you may get 6:35 of sleep.
Add a call home in the privacy of your room or "time to unwind" in front of the TV and it is less. A lot of the female crew can not get ready in 30 min in the morning either. Sometimes they need an hour . . . then it becomes 5:35.
Until this is fixed, we will continue to see fatigued crewmembers flying around . . . and that is a very bad thing!