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A Couple Of Questions About The Movie "Airport"  
User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16528 times:

I was watching "Airport" last night, and I saw a few things that I wouldn't see today that I was curious if they worked back in that day. First, The loading of the 707 at the gate was by a double jetway, one in front, one in back. I've never seen an airliner loaded from the back through a jetway. Second, was it normal to have the starboard engines running while loading?


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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 912 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16458 times:

Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter):
The loading of the 707 at the gate was by a double jetway, one in front, one in back. I've never seen an airliner loaded from the back through a jetway.

Yes, this was normal when there were few jets and still plenty of terminal space for them. Planes would pull parallel instead of perpendicular to the terminal.

Southwest today has some double jet bridges, and it's not uncommon in Europe or Asia. United was testing it in Denver a few years ago until they had some aircraft damages.


User currently offlinextoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16452 times:

Funny about the double loading. A few years ago UA was going to try to do it at DEN, but then they ran out of money. I think KLM in AMS does that. I have been on international flights where two jetways are connected on the front two doors. As far as an actual engine running load, I've seen that when I was in the AF, but it was frowned on. I've seen SAAB 340's have their prop spinning while pax are boarding as there is not an APU, but the engine is idle. Good questions though.

BTW, when the bomb was found, is the back of the 707 really the hardened spot for a bomb?



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User currently offlinextoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16450 times:

Oops, didn't hear about the damages, I just thought it was a money thing.


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16407 times:

Just adding another question without creating a new thread on the same subject. I have wondered for a long time how the producers of the movie airport would allow with all the risks to the 707 involved the stuck scenes. Forget the interior shots which I am sure were done in a studio. But I am talking about when they were trying to drive the 707 out of the grass and back on to the taxi lane with the thrust required. It sure didn't look like a minature model in that exterior scene. Please someone explain. Thanks in advance.

User currently offlinejetdudetim From United States of America, joined May 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16352 times:

Quoting xtoler (Reply 2):
BTW, when the bomb was found, is the back of the 707 really the hardened spot for a bomb?

Its not hardened for this, but on most aircraft you would move the bomb two the most aft set of doors. If the bomb is packed correctly and detonate, it would create the least amount of damage to the a/c.

This is something all FAs are trained in.


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16340 times:

Southwest has used front and rear jetways in the past. As has WestJet.

http://www.dewbridge.com/dewbridge/airport_sub_otw.htm

Not sure what cities, I am afraid.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16324 times:
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Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
I have wondered for a long time how the producers of the movie airport would allow with all the risks to the 707 involved the stuck scenes

Sorry you will have to rephrase that in English please.



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User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16310 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Sorry you will have to rephrase that in English please.

I would assume he means how were the producers able to use an actual airplane in a situation like that with all of the risks of damaging it.



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16195 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Sorry you will have to rephrase that in English please.

All right sir:

1. You recall the scenes of the stuck B707.
2. You recall the thust required to get up the ramp to drive it back to the taxiway.
3. You recall seeing this scene from both the interior and the exterior view.
4. You recall that the exterior shots along with the views of the landing gear in the mud looked 100% real.
5. The interior shots were more than likely filmed in a studio cockpit.
6. You may have noted the amount of thrust that was required to get the stuck B707 out of the mud.
7. Assuming from visual appearances that was a real aircraft on the exterior shots of this scene I am asking wasn't that a tremendous risk to film. Or was there some unknown elements here in play like a tow for example that were not seen.

I hope this is clear to you now.


User currently offlinextoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16176 times:

I guess hardened is the wrong term. You are right, that is where you would normally place a bomb on most aircraft. After you place a lot of seat cushions, pax carryon, and if you can brace the whole thing with pantyhose and try to wet everything down. It's been a few years since that training and recurrent. I always got a kick out of the training video though. It's a little different on the EMB145.

Back on topic. Airport is a great movie!



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16182 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 9):
I hope this is clear to you now.
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
Just adding another question without creating a new thread on the same subject. I have wondered for a long time how the producers of the movie airport would allow with all the risks to the 707 involved the stuck scenes. Forget the interior shots which I am sure were done in a studio. But I am talking about when they were trying to drive the 707 out of the grass and back on to the taxi lane with the thrust required. It sure didn't look like a minature model in that exterior scene. Please someone explain. Thanks in advance.

They used a 3/4 scale model, and dragged it along the runway with a conveyor belt, nearly injuring a crewman who got caught in the belt.
Source? Why certainly- I just watched the movie the other day on DVD, and turned on the special features...


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16157 times:
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Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 8):
how were the producers able to use an actual airplane in a situation like that with all of the risks of damaging it.


The producers chartered a Flying Tigers aircraft for the movie...

Dig some trenches, taxi the aircraft in, hide the approaches (and anything else you don't want filmed), hold the brakes while running up the engines, and voila!!


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User currently offline727lover From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16116 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 1):
Yes, this was normal when there were few jets and still plenty of terminal space for them

AFAIK, UA & TW were the only US airlines that practiced this/



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16086 times:
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Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 9):

I haven't seen it so I don't recall anything, your sentence just made no sense.

But I am sure those who have seen it appreciate the clarification.



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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16051 times:

Quoting 727lover (Reply 13):
AFAIK, UA & TW were the only US airlines that practiced this/

AA did as well - at least at LAX.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinemd11sdf From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15974 times:

I am not aware of a DVD version of AIRPORT that has ANY special features, or I would own it...

Terry in UPSville KY.



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4974 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15805 times:

CO at ORD had those strange elevated jetways that they would use in the 60's. After loading instead of retracting, they'd rise upwards. They had two for the 707 for dual boarding.


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User currently offlineBDL2STL2PVG From China, joined Jun 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15746 times:

It wasn't until recently that I realized how similar the premise was to a CO 707 crash in 1962. The dynamite, the extra insurance at the airport, the bomb being detonated in the rear lav, the explosive decompression. Unfortunately the CO 707 crashed with all lost at the IA/MO boarder, but the whole setup with the perpetrator seemed very similar.

User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15533 times:

Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter):
I've never seen an airliner loaded from the back through a jetway
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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15267 times:

UA used double Jetways for DC-8's and B-720's at ORD, (E and F concourse), DEN, LAX, and SFO.

User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14992 times:

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 6):
Southwest has used front and rear jetways in the past. As has WestJet.

http://www.dewbridge.com/dewbridge/airport_sub_otw.htm

Not sure what cities, I am afraid.

I know WS has a couple duel jetways at their gates in YVR. I've seen the second, over the wing jetway used a couple times, but not to often.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14852 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 1):
Yes, this was normal when there were few jets and still plenty of terminal space for them. Planes would pull parallel instead of perpendicular to the terminal.
BWI & MIA still have many gates with parallel jet ways or jet ways that can be utilized either way parallel or perpendicular. As a matter of fact in our International pier Concourse E at BWI, the gates at least E 2, E4, E6 & E8 are parallel to the terminal. I deplane our CUN, MJB and PWB flights from E 6 and E 8 at least three times a week. At MIA in venerable nostalgic Concourse G, we used to use gate G-2 which was a shorter jet way and loaded straight (parallel). Now, we use G12 which is in a slightly newer addition to G and I believe it's a conventional longer perpendicular jet way.

Also, back in the day when I was like 10, Eastern did the double dutch boarding. First Class had a long telescoping parallel jet way while we plebeians boarded by air stairs in the aft door. And for more trivia at DCA in the original 1941 terminal jet ways were added sometime in the mid 60's and they were straight on and Electra's used them which was extremely rare in commercial aviation. Even at MIA and ATL which back then were the cutting edge in airport design, if you flew piston or turbo prop, time to mount those air stairs.

Regarding the bomb scene. The lunatic with the bomb was almost talked out of blowing up Trans Global's Golden Odyssey flight to Rome to smithereens until he kirked out and ran on impulse to one of the aft crappers and as they say let the drama begin. BTW, though Airport may be kitschy by today's standards at least they were one of the most truest films regarding details such as cabin interior etc. And, I thought Flying Tiger flew DC 8's exclusively.



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14839 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 9):
I hope this is clear to you now.
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
Just adding another question without creating a new thread on the same subject. I have wondered for a long time how the producers of the movie airport would allow with all the risks to the 707 involved the stuck scenes. Forget the interior shots which I am sure were done in a studio. But I am talking about when they were trying to drive the 707 out of the grass and back on to the taxi lane with the thrust required. It sure didn't look like a minature model in that exterior scene. Please someone explain. Thanks in advance.

They used a 3/4 scale model, and dragged it along the runway with a conveyor belt, nearly injuring a crewman who got caught in the belt.
Source? Why certainly- I just watched the movie the other day on DVD, and turned on the special features...

Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6bKCsJd2K0


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14655 times:

Seen this recently on another thread :


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25 ClassicLover : Agreed - that was a full size 707 in those stick in the snow scenes, without a doubt! Apparently the end shot where flight 2 lands and the aircraft i
26 777DadandJr : Just to correct your error, it was the Golden Argosy, not Odessey.
27 Post contains images Viscount724 : Five UA DC-8s at SFO in the mid-1960s at gates with double jetways.
28 SSTsomeday : AF had the same arrangement when I boarded a 777 in Paris in September. The design was to send First/Business passengers to the left, through the fir
29 Post contains images moose135 : Did they use the conveyor belt to try to take off again?
30 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : The 707 interior shots were filmed inside a full 707 mockup built within a 2x4 lumber skeleton. Went through it during a visit to Universal Studios i
31 CMHfreqflyer : Its been a few years since I've seen Airport, but I seem to remember that the bomb hole moves from the starboard side of the plane to the port side wh
32 railker : Its been a few years since I've seen Airport, but I seem to remember that the bomb hole moves from the starboard side of the plane to the port side wh
33 Post contains links william : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ-n3QTlId0 Oh yeah that landing and slide was real............too real. The Flying Tiger pilots came in a little "hot"
34 Post contains images Aesma : Or maybe they didn't want to follow such rules
35 Post contains links AeroWesty : It was always on the starboard side, even at the end in the hangar: Decompression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRee5Z5fkYc&feature=related "Re
36 jc2354 : Slightly off topic, which is not unusual, There is a scene in which D.O. Guerero (sp?) is buying additional insurance at the counter. If you blink an
37 Post contains images zippyjet : Thank you for correcting me. Honestly One of those things I always forget. I screwed it up way back in a previous thread. It's just like balancing a
38 CMHfreqflyer : Thanks AeroWesty! This is still one of my favorite movies... Daryll
39 zippyjet : Oops, can't believe I omitted the subject of those fire breathing drago snow equipment. Never have seen any such animal before or since Airport! And t
40 Post contains images j0rdan : Indeed, gates A1, A2, A3, used exclusively by WestJet's fleet of 737's. As a matter of fact I boarded my flight out of A2 on Friday through the rear.
41 BA84 : My favorite goof in "Airport" occurs when Dean Martin clambers into the FO's seat............. by grabbing the control column!! Watch for it. BA84
42 spacecadet : I dunno, I always thought the way both pilots (and the engineer) are just sitting there swaying back and forth in silence for like 5 minutes is kind
43 YXwatcherMKE : Ok I going to show my age here but, The plane stuck in the mud, was really stuck in the mud! The Movies outside shots were filmed at MSP, I have a cou
44 Post contains images ClassicLover : Yes, this is true Who, Jacqueline Bisset (on the left next to Dean Martin) or Jean Seberg (on the right next to Burt Lancaster) ? Jean committed suic
45 MadViking : I just got a copy from my local library here in Mississauga, Ontario quite a few years ago. As far a accuracy in the movie, the Toronto HL area frequ
46 Post contains images AeroWesty : No, it's not true. Watch the clips in reply 35. The blast hole is always on the starboard (right side) of the plane from start to finish.
47 Post contains images ClassicLover : Hollywood getting something right? *grabs DVD* haha thanks!
48 C5LOAD : Are there any parts of MSP that was in the movie that are still standing or even used? Being 40 yrs. ago, I would certainly doubt it, but from the ou
49 mcdu : Actually it wasn't a money issue. The jetway's that were double bridge to go over the wing of the Airbus collapsed causing significant damage to the
50 Post contains images spacecadet : Well, it costs a lot of money to keep fixing all those airplanes
51 Type-Rated : Yes the main terminal is still there. They have since renamed the concourse from colors to letters. When Airport was filmed there was a ground level
52 DenverDanny : If you like Jacqueline Bisset, you should check out Truffaut's "Day for Night." She's gorgeous in it. She's one of the reasons I checked out "Airport.
53 Post contains images CMHfreqflyer : Or - check out "Bullitt" - there are some very cool shots of a chase on foot around very noisy 707's at SFO (not sure if it was actually filmed at SF
54 Post contains images AeroWesty : Yes indeed it was. SFO in the good old days, when it even had a Tiki lounge cocktail bar.
55 YXwatcherMKE : There several outside shots that show the area between what is now concourses E and F in the Lindbergh Terminal. If you look at the roof line I belie
56 JMackey : It must have been exciting, to be that close to some of the major actors and actresses of the day.
57 YXwatcherMKE : A cousin of mine worked at MSP for NW and managed to get a extras part in the movie as a ground worker and was in the stuck in the mud scene and in t
58 Type-Rated : Nope, didn't get to see any actors or actresses. We weren't allowed upstairs on the Northwest airlines side of the terminal. So after deplaning we we
59 TheCommodore : Only on the 747 as far as I know.
60 LHR380 : This movie was on the other day, and for about the 20th time, I sat and watched it (have it on DVD as well) One of, if not the best aviation film EVER
61 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : No, again, wrong. I don't know how people keep making this error. The POV is looking towards the rear of the plane. That's the starboard (right side)
62 zippyjet : Those amazing gorgeous gams belong to.....drum roll.... Jacqueline Bisset! ツ
63 Post contains links and images LHR380 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tej_U8rBh2U SO SO SORRY I for some reason the view was from the front to the back when they were on the ground, but I w
64 Post contains links Viscount724 : The "Bullitt" airport scenes, featuring Pan Am 707-320Bs, and in the last 90 seconds of part 2, a PSA 727-200 followed by a PSA 727-100. The 707's JT
65 Post contains links and images fanofjets : The aircraft in question was N724F; the aircraft went on to fly with a number of airlines, until being lost in a crash with TransBrasil in 1989: View
66 LHR380 : Second Vid, go to 1:09 and watch that flyby WOW!!!
67 SeeTheWorld : And don't forget that Helen Hayes won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her fole as Ada Quonsett.
68 CMHfreqflyer : Thanks Viscount! I just played the part with the 707 to listen to the sound again - that is what I remember from being a kid, standing on the observa
69 GEEDO : I post pictures on FLICKR. When I was thinking of what username to select, I had recently watched "Airport". I can't remember if it's when the 707 mak
70 aerdingus : That "Airport" 707 could have given a souped up Honda a run for its money with that slide. Close!
71 C5LOAD : Watching a scene between Mr and Mrs. Bakersfeld in his office, I noticed some scale models sitting on his desk with what would nowadays be called a "c
72 ZANL188 : N324F
73 Daviation : As many people say about Hollywood movies, the book was better. I re-read Airport by Arthur Hailey so many times I could probably recite it. To clear
74 LoneStarMike : To clarify, it wasn't the guy coming out of the lav who was the "neighborhood nuisance." It was the complainer in 21D (Marcus Rathbone played by acto
75 Viscount724 : I didn't see enough Convair 880s to remember what they sounded like, although I did fly on one just once -- TWA BOS-JFK. And the GE CJ805-3 engines o
76 william : The book is better with more subplots and details than the movie had the time to go into. Especially how Mr. Bakersfield handles the noise complaints
77 charlienorth : I worked for Page Avjet in MSP,some of my co-workers had worked for it's predocessor De Ponti Aviation,the story was there was some rwy and taxi-way
78 jetjack74 : Yes. It's what we flight crews call the Least-Risk Bomb Location, or LRBL. Every airplane has one. It's is determind that the designated area is wher
79 CMHfreqflyer : OK, thanks Viscount. My first flight was actually on a CV880 - TWA from CMH to LGA. But, I was only about 7 at the time and don't really remember the
80 WesternA318 : TW, AA, CO, PA, UA....pretty much all of 'em did... LOL, my all time fave scene in the movie. CLASSIC!
81 Post contains images AeroWesty : You have now inspired me to pick up a copy of Airport to read on my vacation next month. I've always figured there was lots more to the story, but in
82 Post contains links and images MSPSpotter : Yes. Most of the original airport has been remodeled, and has been added onto several times but the original main terminal is still there. The main t
83 ZANL188 : I grew up in the MSP area in the 60s & 70s. The SA station in the movie was adjacent to the airport parking lot - where the parking garages are n
84 MSPSpotter : I grew up here too, but I must be a few years too young to remember the SA being in a different location. Thanks for the correction.
85 ZANL188 : Before the parking garages were built the old SA station was the first thing you passed after paying the parking fee. After the SA you'd pass the Nor
86 MSPSpotter : I was born about the same time "Airport" was filmed so my earliest memories of MSP are from about 1978-1980. I remember parking along post road to spo
87 Type-Rated : And to give you an additional time period shock, at the time the movie "Airport" was filmed in MSP, the Foshay Tower was the tallest building in Minne
88 milesrich : Sorry CMH, but your memory is faulty. NO ONE EVER FLEW IN A TWA CV-880 to LGA from anywhere! You either landed at JFK, or EWR, or you flew in a DC-9
89 planespotting : I have to imagine that the ultra fuel-hungry burners in the Convairs were louder than the 70's engines, but I have no proof to back that up. Also, I'
90 C5LOAD : What in the world were the huge torch-like burners on a trailer attached to gas truck used for? Drying the runway? Do they still use those today?
91 BNAFlyer : Not to mention he was the one on the bus complaining about airlines not providing free transportation to the airport, and who shoved the nose-running
92 FiestaFlight : Correct. The "Super America" station was torn down maybe 20 years ago near the main lots on the NW side. Now that long NW 707 hangar is a vacant lot
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