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Is There An Air Koryo Special Flight To Germany?  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10637 times:

Hi all,

I just saw here that Germany's women's football team has a friendly game vs. the North Korean team on Wednesday afternoon in Duisburg/Germany: "16:10 Uhr, ARD: Frauenfußball-Länderspiel, Deutschland - Nordkorea (Live)".

Does anyone know if Air Koryo is flying a special charter for them to Germany? If yes, do they fly to DUS? And which plane do they use? (DUS would be the nearest airport to Duisburg).

Thanks for any info!

Patrick

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User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

I doubt it... arent Air Koryo still banned in the EU?

Tom



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10511 times:

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 1):
I doubt it... arent Air Koryo still banned in the EU?

Yes, Air Koryo is still on the EU's list of banned airlines.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
Quoting SirThomas (Reply 1):
I doubt it... arent Air Koryo still banned in the EU?

Yes, Air Koryo is still on the EU's list of banned airlines.

Does the ban also alppy for special charter flights?

And: Will the "Great Leader" embrass himself and let his team fly with a foreign carrier?  

Patrick


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
Quoting SirThomas (Reply 1):
I doubt it... arent Air Koryo still banned in the EU?

Yes, Air Koryo is still on the EU's list of banned airlines.

Does the ban also alppy for special charter flights?

It applies to all operations.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
It applies to all operations.

Thanks for pissing on my plans to spot a nice plane!  

Seriously, thanks for your competent answer!

Patrick


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 5):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
It applies to all operations.

Thanks for pissing on my plans to spot a nice plane!

Seriously, thanks for your competent answer!

Link to the most recent EU list of banned carriers is half way down the following page.
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/list_en.htm

Excerpt from the related press release:

Today, the Community’s list has five individual carriers whose operations are fully
banned in the European Union – Air Koryo from the Democratic People Republic of
Korea, Air West from Sudan, Ariana Afghan Airlines from Afghanistan, Siem Reap
Airways International from Cambodia and Silverback Cargo Freighters from Rwanda.
All carriers from 15 countries – 228 companies in total – are banned: Angola (with
the exception of one carrier which operates under restrictions and conditions), Benin,
the Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, (with the
exception of three carriers which operate under restrictions and conditions),
Indonesia, Kazakhstan (with the exception of one carrier which operates under
restrictions and conditions), the Kyrgyz Republic, Liberia, Republic of Congo, Sierra
Leone, Sao Tome and Principe, Swaziland and Zambia. There are eight air carriers
allowed to operate under restrictions and conditions - TAAG Angola Airlines, Air
Astana from Kazakhstan, Gabon Airlines, Afrijet and SN2AG from Gabon, Air
Bangladesh, Air Service Comores and Ukrainian Mediterranean Airlines from
Ukraine.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Link to the most recent EU list of banned carriers is half way down the following page.
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/list_en.htm

Yeah, no need to bring up this. As I wrote, I believe you! I am just sad that I won't see an Air Koryo plane in DUS!

Patrick


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10234 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if Air Koryo is flying a special charter for them to Germany?

They're probably coming by bus  


User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

It'd be nice to know where JS visits these days, as their website is laughable  Anyone know?

I'm going to be making travels to North Korea in July/August, so i'm hoping they still be using the older soviet planes. As they're by far my favourites...  

Tom



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2501 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 9):
o i'm hoping they still be using the older soviet planes.

Didn't they take delivery of some 'new' Tu-204s a couple of years ago? If so, I figured someone would have posted a TR with them. Perhaps you'll still get your chance to dare fate on their Il-62.

777fan



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
And: Will the "Great Leader" embrass himself and let his team fly with a foreign carrier?

The thing is that since JS is banned, they will have to change planes to get to Germany (most likely on JS's only regular flight, which is the one to PEK). Perhaps they'll fly CA, unless they decided to make the trip to Europe from FNJ via train, crossing pretty much through all of Russia and perhaps a small part of China in the process. As a separate note, Kim Jong-Il (and I believe also his late father) has fear of flying, so even if he did go on a state visit abroad, he would do it via train.

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 9):
It'd be nice to know where JS visits these days, as their website is laughable

AFAIK, the bulk of their very few flights are to PEK. There is the one or the other flight to Russia as well, as well as maybe one or two other destinations in China, but that's about it.


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

A little bit off topic, but I noticed that two North Korean athletes are in the Vancouver Olympics. Is this the first time North Korea has participated in the Olympics? I wonder how they got to Vancouver.


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 12):
Is this the first time North Korea has participated in the Olympics?

No, they've participated before.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 12):
A little bit off topic, but I noticed that two North Korean athletes are in the Vancouver Olympics. Is this the first time North Korea has participated in the Olympics?

I recall that the NBC people said that during Nagano '98 and SLC '02, both Koreas marched together.

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 12):
I wonder how they got to Vancouver.

Most likely by changing planes in PEK. No idea if CA flies to YVR though.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 12):
A little bit off topic, but I noticed that two North Korean athletes are in the Vancouver Olympics. Is this the first time North Korea has participated in the Olympics? I wonder how they got to Vancouver.

North Korea has participated in 8 Winter and 8 Summer Olympics. Their first appearance at the Olympics was at the 1964 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck, Austria.


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
Didn't they take delivery of some 'new' Tu-204s a couple of years ago? If so, I figured someone would have posted a TR with them. Perhaps you'll still get your chance to dare fate on their Il-62.

I have had 11 flights with Air Koryo, but only on Tu-154s and Il-62s. I have not yet managed to catch their Tu-204 (P-632).

I have heard from friends who have flown the Tu-204 that the safety video is amazing - a mix of safety instructions and wise guidance from the Dear Leader, all with a generous dose of inspirational propaganda.

Perhaps my chances of catching a Tu-204 will be improved soon as Air Koryo is about to receive a second Tu-204, registration P-633. It is finished and I have some photos, which I tried to upload here - but the photo upload facility is STILL not working.

You can see five images of P-633 at the following links:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656033/image001%5BJS%5D.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656033/image002%5BJS%5D.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656033/image003%5BJS%5D.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656033/image004%5BJS%5D.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656033/image005%5BJS%5D.png


User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 16):

Do make sure to show us all a Trip Report if you get to travel with JS again in the near future Dalavia  
I for one would be very interested....

Tom



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2349 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fljckr/2603171987/sizes/l/


There is a picture of the crew of an Air Koryo TU-204, I must say their uniforms do look pretty sharp!

I wonder how one becomes a pilot for Air Koryo?



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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 12):
A little bit off topic, but I noticed that two North Korean athletes are in the Vancouver Olympics. Is this the first time North Korea has participated in the Olympics? I wonder how they got to Vancouver.

Two athletes, but maybe 8 to 10 officials and security to prevent any defections or asylum bids unfortunately.


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 17):
Do make sure to show us all a Trip Report if you get to travel with JS again in the near future Dalavia

Although it's not quite a traditional A.net trip report, my travel diary at http://web.mac.com/scodrington/Site/...y_2009/DPRK_Travel_Diary_2009.html contains observations of flying with JS.

If you're not interested about anything in the DPRK apart from flying with JS, just read the first (Day 1) and the last day's (Day 8) reports.

The linked image galleries for Day 1 and Day 8 also have quite a few Air Koryo related photos.

[Edited 2010-02-13 21:34:27]

User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6858 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8855 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
And: Will the "Great Leader" embrass himself and let his team fly with a foreign carrier?

Well, the EU can give exemptions to banned carriers when (and only when) performing state duties such as carrying the head of state/government. The EU gave that to Garuda before Garuda was put on the exemption on the ban on Indonesian carriers... gave it only when it was carrying the president. Even maintenance flights and ferry flights are banned.

However, I don't think carrying a football team comes under the "special circumstances exemption"...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Most likely by changing planes in PEK. No idea if CA flies to YVR though.

Air China does fly to YVR. Most likely A330 service.


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8671 times:
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The ban is not due to specific safety concerns due to age/type but to the fact that Air Koryo/CAAK do not appear to be able to provide documented QA maintenance records in a form that JAR can audit.

Perversely the 3 IL62M, 2 TU154M , couple of TU134a models and P632 a stubby Tu204 have some of the lowest rmileage /cycles in the world for their ages and ARE certainly VERY WELL looked after.

Its the paper work oh and politics (US/GB pressure-sanctions) that are the problem !


User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 20):

Thanks Dalavia, I'll have a good time reading through all of that later,
As for the country itself, it's quite a rarity to read about so....  

Tom



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25 777fan : That'd be a sight to see! The pic of the Tu-204 (linked by SXDFC) was pretty cool; I didn't realize the a/c was that big. Sad, and reminiscent of the
26 Sabena332 : I think so, the most logical routing would be JS from FNJ to PEK, then CA to FRA and finally LH to DUS (or by bus from FRA directly to Diusburg). Thi
27 FN1001 : AFAIK the pilots at JS are all military staff.
28 LTU932 : Makes sense. Besides, I guess in this case it would be only logical that they choose only the most loyal military officers to fly for JS, to reduce t
29 ATLFlyer323 : I know this is a random question, but I'm assuming Air Koryo is banned from buying western aircraft. On top of that I don't know their loads to Beijin
30 NWADC9 : I think it's more of politics than whether or not they're legally banned from buying western aircraft. After all, they hate the West.
31 Dalavia : Every time I have flown JS between PEK and FNJ the plane has been full. However, the fact that equipment varies between Il-62, Tu-154 and Tu-204 sugg
32 Post contains links 777fan : Oh man, an Il-18?! I'd love to see pics of that after reading this recent TR: To The Horn Of Africa By Ilyushin 18 [pics/videos] (by UK_Dispatcher De
33 Post contains links and images rutankrd : View Large View MediumPhoto © Weimeng There is an other one as well P-835 . NB. I was under the impression that P-836 was mainly used for cargo and t
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