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Famous Fat Guy Kicked Off Southwest Plane  
User currently offlineetstar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25158 times:

So this famous guy called Kevin Smith gets kicked off a Southwest flight for being too fat, and it's made the news. Not only that, Southwest is apologizing and tweeting how "He'll be getting a call at home from our Customer Relations VP tonight."

What I wonder about is this. Why would he get kicked off only to get put on the next flight out? The guy says he did not even need a seatbelt extension. Finally, the response and apologies from WN, is it only because this guy is famous?

Sure, they do have a policy for large folks, but why apologize if they are to stick and enforce the policy?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20344142,00.html

I have yet to look up who Kevin Smith is ...

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User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25070 times:

I agree with you. Little makes sense here. If he's over weight and they are following principle, there's no sense in putting him on the next flight. I don't know what their policy states, but he has to either be too fat to fly or not, that can't change until the next flight.

I am not familiar with this, so can I be filled in on what exactly this policy is based on?

Apologizing makes sense if they've mis-treated him. So it may be possible that he shouldn't have been removed from the flight, which justifies both putting him on the next and apologizing to him. Which now makes me wonder how does one estimate if the passenger should be permitted on the flight or not?



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 24781 times:

Quoting etstar (Thread starter):
I have yet to look up who Kevin Smith is ...

He's a director and actor. Some of his movies were Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Dogma, and Clerks.

I too don't see the reason to have a policy like that if you're not going to enforce it. I will admit though when I worked for an airline people used to buy window/aisle seats all the time trying to get a free open middle seat. I'd routinely look for a guy like Kevin Smith to put in between them on full flights.

But, in my opinion you are purchasing space on a plane. If you exceed the space available in one seat you should have to pay for another seat.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24620 times:

Let's Clear up some confusions..

WN's policy as stated in the article is if you cannot sit down comfortably without raising the armrest up, you are considered a COS (Customer of Size) and will be asked to purchase a 2nd seat.

This Man did so, and that was not the issue.

Stated later in the article he attempted to go Stand By on an earlier flight. It is the policy for a COS to get on an earlier flight, he does have to pay the fare diff if applicable and there has to be two seats open on the flight.

It is clear there wasn't based on the article, and he was mistakenly boarded with just one seat. This is why WN caught it and pulled him off. He shouldn't have been boarded in the first place.

He wasn't pulled off "because he is fat" it was for a diff policy as a result of his COS.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 2):

But, in my opinion you are purchasing space on a plane. If you exceed the space available in one seat you should have to pay for another seat.

Which he did the first time and it was enforced, the issue became when he attempted to go stand by on an earlier flight.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 2):

I too don't see the reason to have a policy like that if you're not going to enforce it.

Again, it was enforced the first time, the mistake was the result of stand by.

Quoting etstar (Thread starter):
Why would he get kicked off only to get put on the next flight out?

He was kicked off, more politely pulled off, because there was one seat left, and he needed two. The flight he ended up on had 2 seats or more open, being able to accommodate him.

Quoting etstar (Thread starter):
The guy says he did not even need a seatbelt extension.

Whether you need a seatbelt extension or not is not WN's policy. It is strictly enforced through if you need to raise the armrest or not to be comfortable.

Alex



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User currently offlinepitops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24605 times:

Do we really know the full story? WN doesn't kick people off planes for being over weight. Yes WN has a policy in place stating if you can't fit comfortably within the arm rests, then you must purchase the seat next to you. This is for the comfort of yourself and the passengers around you. If the flight is not completely full, you can request a refund. My wonder is if he caused a fight once he was approached which made the crew and staff pull him from the flight?


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24547 times:
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Kevin stated that the FA named Suzanne told him "Captain Leysath deemed you a 'safety risk.'"


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24132 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
Kevin stated that the FA named Suzanne told him "Captain Leysath deemed you a 'safety risk.'"

Well he is and a huge liability....Obesity is epic in this country.....come to think of it....B6 had some pudgy FAs



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23992 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 3):
It is strictly enforced through if you need to raise the armrest or not to be comfortable.

It's not included in the article posted above, elsewhere but he claims he was seated, with both armrests down when they asked him to leave.



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User currently offlineelevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23885 times:

It's truly amazing the amount of occurrences like this that go on at Southwest (for the better or usually the worse).

User currently offlinepitops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23802 times:

Quoting elevated (Reply 8):
It's truly amazing the amount of occurrences like this that go on at Southwest (for the better or usually the worse).

And every other airline.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23775 times:

It sounds like WN has a stated policy that wasn't followed correctly and Mr. Smith was unjustly kicked off the flight.

You can make any rule you want, but it depends on the front line staff to enforce it correctly.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23516 times:

Quoting etstar (Thread starter):
but why apologize if they are to stick and enforce the policy?

Because people down the line do make mistakes.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23188 times:

hey's not even that big, i've had people on both sides of me about twice his size, idk what happened here but i'm guessing we don't have the whole story.

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23105 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
Kevin stated that the FA named Suzanne told him "Captain Leysath deemed you a 'safety risk.'"

Well that is clearly out of context. For all we know, KS started using language like that of his tweets. At that point, he becomes a safety risk, not because he is a COS, but because someone who can't control their emotions on the ground, can not control them at 35,000 ft.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 10):
It sounds like WN has a stated policy that wasn't followed correctly and Mr. Smith was unjustly kicked off the flight.

WN stated that he purchases two seats regularly as a Customer of size. Using the information in this thread, it sounds like he was mistakenly boarded when there was only one seat available, and then was asked to deplane as he requires two seats per their COS policy.

Also, don't forget that this director has a movie coming out at the end of the month. Having that information dropped into every story doesn't hurt him either.


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22974 times:
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This from the airline who goes by the moniker "LUV" on the NYSE. Guess he isn't feelin' the LUV


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22852 times:

I still have no clue who this guy is. If you read his IMDB profile, it's a list of sub B list movies. And if you read his Twitter profile, this is what it says: "Bio It begins with me covered in sperm, trapped in my old man's balls. Then, suddenly... ESCAPE!" 'Nuff said.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
Kevin stated that the FA named Suzanne told him "Captain Leysath deemed you a 'safety risk.'"

If I was the captain, I'd say the same thing, especially after reading what he wrote on Twitter. No way would I want him on my plane.

That being said, it sounds like WN goofed and shouldn't have boarded him if there was one seat left. Take a look at the response he got from WN on a Sunday (!!!). It's comforting to know if all hell breaks loose on one of my flights, WN responds to Twitter postings very seriously.

Oh and Kevin, here's some useful information for you: lose about 100 lbs, stop your Twitter bitching and get over yourself.


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22457 times:

Quote:
I saw someone bigger than me on THAT flight! But I wasn't about to throw a fellow Fatty under the plane as I'm being profiled. But he & I made eye contact, & he was like 'Please don't tell...'


I have to wonder if this is actually true or just something he tweeted for his followers. He also said that he sat next to a fat girl that was chastised for not buying 2 tickets (and was never forced to buy a second ticket).



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22294 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 7):
It's not included in the article posted above, elsewhere but he claims he was seated, with both armrests down when they asked him to leave

If that is truly the case, then there is more to the story than what's being said.....

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 13):
For all we know, KS started using language like that of his tweets. At that point, he becomes a safety risk

Quite a possibility.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22241 times:

Kevin Smith is plenty obese. At least 75+ lb judging by the pics I saw on google. The airlines have every right to charge. Being obese enough to require two seats is the result of eating habits in 95% of the cases and if you really are that sick that you can't fit in one seat you ought to have a dr's letter. There is so such such thing as an eating addiction or whatever else gluttons use as an excuse for their size. Rant over


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User currently offlinedfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21315 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):
Kevin Smith is plenty obese. At least 75+ lb judging by the pics I saw on google. The airlines have every right to charge. Being obese enough to require two seats is the result of eating habits in 95% of the cases and if you really are that sick that you can't fit in one seat you ought to have a dr's letter. There is so such such thing as an eating addiction or whatever else gluttons use as an excuse for their size.

Wow.

The world must suck from the view of your Ivory Tower....

Back on topic, if he had both arm rests down when he was kicked off the plane, than WN made a jackass move and there is no amount of spin thier P.R. department can do to fix it. It has been fun watching them squirm though....  

-D


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20948 times:

Quoting elevated (Reply 8):
It's truly amazing the amount of occurrences like this that go on at Southwest (for the better or usually the worse).

SWA gets the attention because it is the only airline that actually enforces it so frequently, however UA has also mentioned they have started enforcing a 2nd seat for their POS (Passenger of Size).

Quoting moose135 (Reply 7):

It's not included in the article posted above, elsewhere but he claims he was seated, with both armrests down when they asked him to leave.

Regardless, he purchased a COS ticket, so we have to go by that. If he knew he could sit down with both arm rests down then why purchase a 2nd seat? As airframeAS said there is more to this story then.

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 13):

WN stated that he purchases two seats regularly as a Customer of size. Using the information in this thread, it sounds like he was mistakenly boarded when there was only one seat available, and then was asked to deplane as he requires two seats per their COS policy.

Correct!

Quoting dfanucci (Reply 19):
Back on topic, if he had both arm rests down when he was kicked off the plane, than WN made a jackass move and there is no amount of spin thier P.R. department can do to fix it. It has been fun watching them squirm though....

He was pulled off because he had purchased a COS ticket so WN had to go by that policy and standard.

Your hatred of WN spews through this post as much as any other time. WN is not squirming as much as you'd like to see them.

Alex



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User currently offlinekric777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20434 times:

Hmm...I would think Kevin Smith has plenty of dough -- I'm not a culture vulture, but I have heard of him and have seen (and enjoyed) several of his films.....why is he flying on a SWA cattle car? I'm not saying I would expect him to charter a G-V or Citation X, but first class on a legacy at least, particular given that he's not exactly a slim fellow.

User currently offlineluv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20210 times:
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Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):
Kevin Smith is plenty obese. At least 75 lb judging by the pics I saw on google. The airlines have every right to charge. Being obese enough to require two seats is the result of eating habits in 95% of the cases and if you really are that sick that you can't fit in one seat you ought to have a dr's letter. There is so such such thing as an eating addiction or whatever else gluttons use as an excuse for their size.

True; however, you could also say that someone in a wheelchair who broke their leg skateboarding did so because of their unsafe habits. Also, when you have groups like NAAFA, who posses large amounts of lobbying power, trying to judge why a pax looks like an upside down snowman is like skating on thin ice with a 200 lb. fat suit.

Here's a NAAFA explanation of why airlines shouldn't charge COS's more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDakFfLQDF4

(and here's my rebuttal that applies to most cases: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxqRg2Nohso )

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 2):
I will admit though when I worked for an airline people used to buy window/aisle seats all the time trying to get a free open middle seat. I'd routinely look for a guy like Kevin Smith to put in between them on full flights.

Not to go too far OT, but how exactly does spiting your customers by putting a larger person between two people who went out of their way to maximize their personal space help with the whole customer satisfaction thing?

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 20):

SWA gets the attention because it is the only airline that actually enforces it so frequently, however UA has also mentioned they have started enforcing a 2nd seat for their POS (Passenger of Size).

And to be fair, WN only charges whatever you paid for your original ticket or the child/senior fare..whichever is lower (vs. charging you a full Y walk up fare). Also, they give you 2x rapid rewards points if the flight was full (if the flight wasn't full, you get a full refund of whatever you paid for the 2nd seat.

Minor correction btw, the proper term is COS - customer of size... POS = piece of s**t. Now obviously, both terms would apply to Mr. Smith here, but in most cases, only the COS moniker is merited.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 20):

Your hatred of WN spews through this post as much as any other time. WN is not squirming as much as you'd like to see them.

Exactly. Somehow, I find it easier to believe a company that has a history of being honest to customers than to believe a director who conveniently has a movie coming out soon (in addition to a history of being an attention wh**e)



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User currently offlineetstar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20206 times:

The issue that I have is this: if indeed it was WN policy to not have this guy take just one seat because he is obese, and they did kick him off the plane, why would they then:
- give him a $100 voucher when clearly he was standing by
- they apologize profusely through tweets and have their customer relations VP contact him directly?

While the first gesture may be a way for them to admit that they had him board an earlier flight while he bought two seats and only one was available and is a way to appease the whole issue, the fact that the issue is going up to the VP level for resolution and/or apologies and appeasing smells double standard to me.

If I were obese and were in the same situation, would I also get a call from a Customer Relations VP? Given the fact that this is a famous person and so many Americans can relate to him (this is not a jab), it has become a PR issue for WN to tackle.

I guess it is the level of response that i do not get. They can just say "hey, you're huge, this is our policy, deal with it".


User currently offlineavroarrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20057 times:

If you've ever seen "Live Free or Die Hard" you've seen Kevin Smith. (He plays "Warlock" the fat computer geek who lives in his mothers basement.) He is kind of like the king of the slackers and probably wouldn't object to being described as such due do his self deprecating sense of humour. He is a big deal if you are a certain kind of movie fan, personally I don't mind his movies but they aren't for everyone since they usually revolve around sometimes clever yet crude toilet humour and characters who would rather smoke cigarettes of dubious origin than get a real job. (Which is probably at least 25% of western society, but thats just my personal opinion.)
Anyway, I wouldn't have thought that he was so big as to need the second seat but maybe it was something he opted for for personal comfort. Probably all just a mis-understanding that will go away pretty quickly. My impression of Kevin Smith is that he won't want to make too big a deal of this since he is normally a very "under the radar" kind of guy, hence why he'd fly Southwest to begin with.
Although this quote from the article may have something to do with his bringing the incident up in public.
"You [messed] with the wrong sedentary processed-foods eater!" Smith, whose next film, Cop Out, comes out Feb. 26, posted on Twitter."
Nothing like trying to get some free publicity for your latest movie when the opportunity presents itself I guess.



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25 Post contains links atrude777 : As you mentioned, the apology was giving him a seat when they should not have. He was boarded onto a flight with only one seat when he needed two. It
26 TheCommodore : The guy is massive, I'm sure the armrests would have had to have been put in the upright position, sure of it, looking at the size of this guy in Yout
27 UALWN : Do you honestly don't know who Kevin Smith is? I mean "Clerks", his first movie, is sort of a "cult" movie, which appears in re-runs over and over ag
28 Post contains links silentbob : You do realize that he actually went out and protested the opening of Dogma (one of his own movies) with a local church group, right? He's an attenti
29 DLD9S : So once again Southwest has made the news for kicking someone off of a plane. At least this is something their PR team is quite used to dealing with.
30 Post contains images dfanucci : *yawn* You and your company are not going to spin it. Who gives a crap how many seats he purchased? And who cares what my opinion of your airline is?
31 Highflier92660 : OK, Kevin Smith is short (around 5' 8") and fat (probably well north of 250lbs.) but have you noticed the uncanny way Southwest always gets in the ne
32 dfanucci : Oh, I don't know. Maybe he does it because he's afraid some nimwit is going to pass judgement on him and instead of being singled out, and humiliated
33 BNAFlyer : Until we know the WN side of what happened, this is all speculation. Does anyone expect a famous person (and I use the term loosely, Smith's movies, I
34 iflyswa : If Mr. Smith was a standby Customer on the flight in question and he needed two seats to be safely and comfortably accommodated (by his own acknowledg
35 jreuschl : My two points: - He bought two tickets to adhere to their policy. He goes on a flight with one seat left and complains when he is told he can't be on
36 atrude777 : Except he didn't try to. He was told too by WN that he could board, when he should NOT have. That is the mistake WN made, and was discreet about it,
37 chrisair : That's a poorly worded sentence, BUT, you're right. I have no clue who the heck he is. I don't watch those type of sub-B list movies he's involved wi
38 Post contains links and images readytotaxi : And the view from this side of the pond. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8515960.stm Again, this person is "famous"?
39 Post contains images canoecarrier : I knew the flight was full and there was no chance they would get a free empty seat between them. I also knew they would move over to give him the ai
40 BNAFlyer : Unless you're into really boring, mind-numbingly childish movies, I agree - it's quite possible to not know who Smith is. He's wrong, and that's all
41 ArcrftLvr : I think this statement alone underscores the disdain that most airline CSAs have for their customers. I'm glad you actively seek out an opportunity t
42 AirframeAS : There are a lot of people who actually do this, not only people who are classified as Customer of Size. They do this for personal reasons for their o
43 ArcrftLvr : And how would you know that? On the other hand, if you enjoy intelligent dialogue and crude humor, you could say he's a genius. I happen to like most
44 luv2cattlecall : Could you please reword that? (Not being snide..) I think you had a good point, but I'm not quite sure what that sentence was trying to say.
45 BNAFlyer : Hey, to each his own. That's why we have diversity in our movies.
46 chrisair : I don't know where you get the idea that I'm a CSA for an airline. I'm not. I've never even worked for an airline (as an employee). That being said,
47 Post contains images dfanucci : True, this is a he said she said situation. And, if the customer is in fact lying and he was not able to put down both arm rests, than in fact WN did
48 canoecarrier : The way I read your comment you are more concerned about two people trying to get something for nothing and not the other person who was going to end
49 ArcrftLvr : I never said you were. My post was in response to canoecarrier's post.
50 TheCommodore : From my point of view (male 42 yrs @ 64.5 kg's) Yes I think he's massive.
51 ArcrftLvr : Not true. I take issue with the fact that you said you actively sought out larger sized people to put in the middle seat in an attempt to punish the
52 ArcrftLvr : Out of curiousity, how big are you? I'm thinking your perspective might have something to do with relativity. If you're 5'5" and 120lbs, then he woul
53 canoecarrier : Problem solving, not spite. If the person was too large and physically required a second seat, the problem would have been addressed differently. And
54 ArcrftLvr : and you said you consciously sought out larger sized people to fill that seat versus the next passenger on the list (or however open seats are assign
55 etstar : Again, I highly doubt that if I'd get a call from a VP if I were the fat guy and got kicked off. This has become more of a damage control/PR issue fo
56 TheCommodore : That's how tall I am. Oh, and a 16 year old is not going to be as tall as a 30 year old. General rule of thumb, boys stop growing taller between the
57 NIKV69 : So then he isn't really famous. No, he should be thanking WN for making him now though. Hope Larry has a copy of the Atkins Diet book, this guy sure
58 ArcrftLvr : That's not necessarily the case. I'm sure there are plenty of high school kids taller than me.
59 Post contains links WNBob : This is too funny and I quote: "In the wake of this, the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance is urging for a boycott of Southwest Airlines,
60 BMI727 : When I was 16 I was taller than a lot of 30 year olds. Good luck with that.
61 chrisair : Good. Please go fly AA or US.
62 NIKV69 : Trust me WN would rather people of size fly other carriers.
63 Deltaflyertoo : Yes I agree. Its a little ironic there will be this boycott against an airline that has been one of the most innovative companies in the world in sav
64 JAGflyer : The girl at 1:19 is enough to make me lose my appetite for a day. Yeeesh
65 Post contains images dfanucci : Wow.... I'm stunned at some of the complete ignorance in this thread. Since it seems that some people wish that all large people be banned from flying
66 Post contains images thomasphoto60 : Damn Straight! BTW, I am a fan of many of Smith's flicks (Clerks I and II, Zach and Miri and a few others), but even he admits he is a lard ass. Fran
67 AvConsultant : He is obese. Look at his video, he appears to be sitting in a chids seat, but he's not. He's not tall, but very portly. FL has been known to boot peo
68 Slider : Dogma was quite profuond, actually. Summed up a lot about Catholicism that is quite accurate IMHO. He's got some good directing chops. Clerks was awe
69 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Actually he says the reason he buys a second seat is for "comfort." What a deal. Let's say I'm on a flight that's booked with 130 passengers. Not ful
70 DL767captain : oh i wasn't able to watch the video i just saw the little picture
71 TheCommodore : Right on the mark ! Truer words were never spoken. Having lived with an alcoholic and also a distant relative who is obese, I totally agree with you.
72 imisspiedmont : Are there any people that are able to do that anyway ?
73 atrude777 : Sure, quite a bit of people, myself included. Alex
74 DocLightning : I'm 5'8" and my fighting weight is 175 (I'm a bit over that right now). I can sit comfortably in a Y-class seat. I do not view this policy as discrim
75 AvConsultant : People always say the airlines are antiquated. Maybe this is something other can take the lead on. I walked into a breakfast buffet once and there we
76 ikramerica : Silent Bob didn't strike me as particularly obese when I was at his house doing some IT work a few years back, though maybe he has packed on the pound
77 Post contains images TheCommodore : Yes, and I even have room to spare. [quote=DocLightning,reply=74]WN's policy is actually very generous. It sure is generous
78 cjpark : Whoowee! I have been to two state fairs and one carnival and thought I had seen and heard it all but this takes the cake!
79 WROORD : Exactly. How come no one says anything about those who are stuck with 'big' people next to them. I was pinned to the wall on recent ORD-YYZ flight. F
80 braynfeeble : Seems odd, perhaps he appeared intoxicated or something.
81 Post contains images Aaron747 : Boy that's a joke if I've ever heard one. So now they want us to subsidize the unhealthy lifestyles of people with good incomes who know better and h
82 Post contains images FATFlyer : A small group of Fresno area residents are having fun with this as a way to promote the Fresno airport to Southwest. Twitter messages have started say
83 Pohakuloa : I agree anger and outrage against fat people is one of the last unaddressed prejudices in the world, but an organization for fat peoples rights?? Tha
84 luv2cattlecall : Looks like investors aren't minding one bit!: NYSE:LUV 12.45 +0.41 (3.41%) I buy a seat on a plane, and I want my seat. Do whatever you want, just st
85 Post contains images iflyswa : Actually, the flight can be completely "full" (obviously, there would only be 136 Passengers onboard an aircraft with 137 seats if a COS has paid for
86 iflyswa : For a number of reasons, two of which could be: Foremost, it becomes difficult (if not impossible) to differentiate a COS who has purchased an additi
87 PA110 : I used to be a very frequent flyer with WN about a decade ago. Despite WN's customer of size rule being supposedly 25 years old, it only started being
88 Post contains images EA CO AS : Gosh, if only we could all be as enlightened as you... You've repeated several times that Mr. Smith had the armrests down, but that's not the sole de
89 dfanucci : Oh please.... this has nothing to do with being "enlightened" so can it. (nice try though) Perhaps reading is not your stong point? I stated "if" he
90 EA CO AS : Obviously you think it does, as you've cited what you perceive as the "ignorant" opinions of others. Newsflash - yours are no more valid than anyone
91 Aesma : Americans have a very strong sense of rules/laws, and of "customer service". Now, with that in mind, what rule/law did Kevin Smith break ? On the othe
92 SJC4Me : Question: Why doesn't Boeing/Airbus just make their single aisle planes 3 feet wider, thus making each seat 6" wider? Seems like these manufacturers m
93 canoecarrier : Because airlines would fly in a 4 + 3 configuration. I'm not sure what you're getting at, should we be making airplanes larger because people eat a l
94 TheCommodore : I think you should be asking the individual airlines why they don't put less seats on the planes, not the manufactures to make wider planes. They don
95 SJC4Me : I'm not necessarily saying make the planes wider for fat people, but it would be nice to have my own arm rest. They certainly aren't going to make th
96 Aesma : The A32X family is 6-7 inch wider than the 737, 1 inch per seat in 3+3 (and narrower at the head).
97 ikramerica : It's not quite 1" per seat. Airlines range from installing seats -.2" to 0.8" wider. Some just install the same 17.2" seats as the 737. The E-Jet fam
98 L-188 : Yup.....must be nice. And I am very dissapointed with the level out outright bigotry being desplayed by a fair number of posters here.
99 BMI727 : Bigotry, or just not wanting the guy next to you to spill into your seat. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. If you take up two seats, you buy two se
100 Aaron747 : What bigotry? You're either for personal responsibility or you aren't. I refuse to subsidize people who have lazy dietary and lifestyle habits - and
101 thomasphoto60 : Indeed, care to point out said bigotry? Thomas
102 ikramerica : True. It's not like KS was born fat. He got himself fat, has lost weight a couple of times, only to gain it back. He's made choices to get him that w
103 cjpark : So tell us where is this magical place that you live where you do not have to subsidize people whose lifestyle you don't agree with? If you pay taxes
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