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Air AsiaX And Its STN Route.  
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8501 times:
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Hello,

I've read Air AsiaX is soon to terminate its AUH route, so I wondered about how the STN service was doing for them, in terms of loads and profitability. Any infos ?
Normally they were set to launch Paris Orly as well in 2010. In that case they need another pair of A340, don't they ?

Isn't the A343 lacking of consistency in terms of in-flight product compared to the brand new A333E ?

I know it's a lot of question, but profitability of low-cost long-haul ventures are intriguing me...


FB.


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User currently offlinetommy212 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

the STN route does seem to be doing very well, not sure on profitability but loads are constanstly between 75-80% and some days it runs full so unless they the fares are set to low and not being able to sell much ancillary revenue i would say the route is runing to at least expected if not more.

9M-XAB is still operating in the old air canada interior so has no PVT's and only the old style CRT overhead screens. Premium is the old air canada first class. not sure on 'XAC' but seeing as it's also ex Air Canada it would be in the same interior.

heres pics of their interiors:

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

I wrote this for a different website after my experiences. Maybe you'll find it interesting.

Last month [which was now last year], my wife and I flew AirAsia X (D7) from London-Stansted (STN) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL) and back. After all, how could we, keen airline bargain hunters, refuse £198 each for a return including taxes?

As the departure date approached, I was filled with uncertainty and apprehension: had I made a mistake booking D7 despite its revolutionarily low fares for such long sectors? (The outbound leg took 12 hours and 40 minutes, the inbound 13 hours and 18 minutes.) What about the lack of inclusive frills – food, drink, and entertainment – on such long flights? It redefined no-frills travel on long-haul sectors.

D7 promotes itself as a low-cost, low-fare, no-frills medium- and long-haul airline. It utilises A330-300s (333s) and, on the STN run, ex-AC A340-300s (343s). High floorspace utilisation is, of course, a key characteristic with low-cost airlines, and it’s no different with D7; indeed, its 333s have 355 seats. And it doesn’t interline or offer ‘official’ connections, although ‘self-connecting’ feed is crucial to its success according to its CEO in London last year. D7 is very much based on an unbundled fare structure: it charges for checked bags, for selecting specific seats (normal and greater seat pitch), and for food, drink and entertainment.

We arrived at the check-in desk at STN three hours before departure. There was a queue of around 30 people, most of whom were of Asian appearance, young, and had trolleys pilled high with baggage. The check-in process was extremely quick and hassle-free. The outsourced check-in agents were particularly friendly, cheerful, and polite. How unusual!

As my wife and I were unsure of how much checked baggage we would require at the time of booking our flights, we decided not to book it in advance but rather pay for it at check-in: price-wise, there was little incentive for pre-booking it: it cost £5 for one bag in advance or £6 at the airport. If, like us, you don’t pre-book your luggage, you pay for it at a separate counter. As I’m very much a fan of getting as much money in advance as possible, I would recommend that D7 increase the price differential while emphasising the time-saving benefits of pre-booking – even though, in reality, it was quick and easy for us.

Whenever I fly, even on premium-positioned airlines like Qatar, I am ordinarily disappointed by the lack of welcome while boarding. Not so on D7: every single crew member in the area we walked near said hello, smiled sincerely, and gestured in the traditional Malaysian way. Fantastic and a decent point of positive differentiation that I'll remember.

Unsurprisingly, a lot of passengers moan about the seat pitch on low-cost airlines; after all, the more seats there are the more seats total costs can be spread among, thereby reducing the per-seat cost and enabling lower fares. It’s a sacrifice you must normally endure to get lower fares. You’ll appreciate our joy, then, when we sat down: the seats had a great seat pitch – and we're tall – because the configuration had not altered from when it was operated by AC.

In the location of the PTV was a cover blocking the screen: PTVs aren’t utilised on D7’s 343s. (They are on most of its 333s.) Instead, you can rent handheld devises either by pre-booking or buying, subject to stock, on the flight. We declined the offer: we had heard unconfirmed rumours from someone that had flown the route before that the battery life on the handheld machines is only 6 hours. However, a number of people did hire them.

D7 enables and encourages you to pre-book a ‘refreshment package’ for about £7 comprising two hot meals and a bottle of water. Alternatively, and subject to stock levels, you may purchase hot food, snacks, and drinks on the flight. (Interestingly, credit cards were not accepted.) As my wife and I had not decided what we wanted to do food-wise, we purchased some meal deals from Boots – technically, you’re not allowed to take your own food and drink aboard D7, as the cabin crew announced in-flight – but we did anyway. (Aren’t we naughty?!) Cabin crew came around roughly every hour offering food and drink. This frequency was good and it appeared popular with passengers: quite a few seemed to buy things on each round. The crew seemed proactive in selling and tried to up-sell. Perhaps they were in an incentive scheme? Staff benefit and real involvement is, I feel, a key requirement in maximising in-flight revenue.

Notwithstanding our supplies, we wanted some hot food and drink so paid around £6 for two hot meals and two hot drinks. The food looked pretty unappetising – what airline food doesn’t? – but it was actually probably the best airline food we’ve ever tasted. And it represented fantastic value too.

On the reverse sector, we had to pay for our checked luggage at the check-in desk. This was time-consuming and a hassle, particularly at 11pm and after a long, tiring day. There was also a queue of people behind us that were getting agitated with the process. Clearly, a separate facility, as at STN, should be used for this function if possible.

As KUL-STN was a night flight – 1am departure, 8am arrival – in-flight service was rightly scaled down until 2 or 3 hours before landing. It does make you wonder about the revenue opportunities – or not, as the case might be – on such timed services.

Overall, we were extremely pleased with D7: they promised almost nothing and delivered far more than we expected. From my experience, a key problem with premium-focused airlines is often that they over-promise and under-deliver, and such a thing truly annoys me. D7 did the exact reverse and it worked highly effectively. So, we would happily fly D7 again - particularly as we paid, once you include everything purchased, less than 50% of what incumbents were charging.



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

Thanks for that Pe@rson

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
D7 enables and encourages you to pre-book a ‘refreshment package’ for about £7 comprising two hot meals and a bottle of water. Alternatively, and subject to stock levels, you may purchase hot food, snacks, and drinks on the flight. (Interestingly, credit cards were not accepted.) As my wife and I had not decided what we wanted to do food-wise, we purchased some meal deals from Boots – technically, you’re not allowed to take your own food and drink aboard D7, as the cabin crew announced in-flight – but we did anyway. (Aren’t we naughty?!)

Seven quid doesn't sound a lot for two meals and a bottle of water - pretty good value regardless even of quality! And the checked baggage fee also seems reasonable.

Made me laugh that you took your own 'Boots meal deals' to Kuala Lumpur; always a problem for me because I don't like crisps. It's often standard procedure to tell customers they're denied the right to eat their own food (ridiculous if you think about it) although I'd imagine there's a turn a blind eye policy. I've only ever once seen someone being told off for daring to eat some other company's sarnie on a flight, I think it was on Skyeurope

[Edited 2010-02-15 10:43:13]

User currently offlineBedo From Spain, joined Jul 2009, 57 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

It's the Orly route confirmed??
Won't be better for D7 Beauvais??
Do you guys know if it's going to be with a A330 or a A340??

Could be a substitution of AUH??


Regards!
Bedo



bedo
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8088 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 3):
I don't like crisps

I only like ready salted. Can't you select something other than crisps?

Quoting Bedo (Reply 4):
Won't be better for D7 Beauvais??

BVA's 7,972-foot runway wouldn't permit that, so it's not going to happen. Indeed, ORY has been confirmed.

Quoting Bedo (Reply 4):
Do you guys know if it's going to be with a A330 or a A340??

The 333 doesn't have the range unless it stopped or was payload restricted.

[Edited 2010-02-15 11:40:12]


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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

I am going to be a little contradictory to things I have said in other posts and being in a fan of PTV!

But on a route like STN to KUL I would much rather have the legroom and wider seat of a 2-4-2 config on a 12-13hr flight with no PTV, over a config of 3-3-3 with PTV... A lot of people own iPods and iPod Touchs, so can brong their own entertainment!

I have however heard these ex-AC birds are not in the best condition on the inside, and not that well kept... With the seats very worn, lacking support and recline not working on some. I can't confirm if this is true!?

I just checked the prices on SkyScanner.net (a screen scraper website) and the prices are not all that cheap, most of the fares are around £249 each way including tax! If you search carefully and are flexible, I did manage to find the odd return fare for £230 return in September but these are very few and far between! Im pretty sure you could find similar fares LHR to KUL easily for under £500, but obviously not Air Asia X's lowest fares!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):
have however heard these ex-AC birds are not in the best condition on the inside, and not that well kept... With the seats very worn, lacking support and recline not working on some. I can't confirm if this is true!?

They were fine - well, in my mind anyway - when I flew them last year.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):
I just checked the prices on SkyScanner.net (a screen scraper website) and the prices are not all that cheap, most of the fares are around £249 each way including tax!

Using the same source and double-checking on www.airasia.com, I quickly found £149 one-way including taxes STN-KUL in Oct and £102 (which was around £86n yesterday!) one-way including taxes KUL-STN in Oct, for a total of around £251 return. (Note that the currency conversion seems a little off using www.airasia.com, so I used XE.co.uk instead.) That, even when you add any required add-ons, is a pretty good price. But, yes, they're typically quite expensive.

[Edited 2010-02-15 13:12:48]


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Thread starter):
Normally they were set to launch Paris Orly as well in 2010. In that case they need another pair of A340, don't they ?
Quoting Bedo (Reply 4):
It's the Orly route confirmed??
Won't be better for D7 Beauvais??
Do you guys know if it's going to be with a A330 or a A340??

Could be a substitution of AUH??

D7 only has 2 A340s, so it can't operate another long haul sector.
The maximum it can do with the existing A343 is a 7 hour flight (which it was doing to AUH).
Unless they get a 3rd A343, I suspect that a destination like PER may switch from A333 to A343, or perhaps a new destination in north asia.

Previous A343 rotations were:

3:50p KUL L 9:50p STN D7 2008
11:20p STN 8:20p+1 KUL L D7 2009
10:00p KUL L 1:30a+1 AUH 1 D7 2402
2:55a AUH 1 1:55p KUL L D7 2403


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7298 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 8):
D7 only has 2 A340s, so it can't operate another long haul sector.
The maximum it can do with the existing A343 is a 7 hour flight (which it was doing to AUH).
Unless they get a 3rd A343, I suspect that a destination like PER may switch from A333 to A343, or perhaps a new destination in north asia.

Would be interesting to know if they'd be ready to take some second hands A345 or A332 (Air Comet ?).

Though even the A332 is a bit "short" for a KUL-ORY.

FB.



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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
But, yes, they're typically quite expensive.

Oh yes I just tried doing a mock booking for a specific period in June, the only period I can theoretically travel.

On AirAsia/AirAsiaX, it would cost me S$94.00 to go from SIN to KUL and S$1,763.65 to fly from KUL to STN.

AK 706: 1120 depart SIN, 1210 arrive KUL (Economy Promo, A320)
D7 2008: 1530 depart KUL, 2230 arrive STN (Economy, A333)
D7 2007: 1750 depart STN, 1350+1 arrive KUL (Economy, A333)
AK 709: 1740 depart KUL, 1830 arrive SIN (Economy Promo, A320)

There is only one flight between KUL and STN, so flight time for that sector is fixed. Flight times for the SIN-KUL sector factors in at least two hours of transit time, because LCCs just cannot be trusted in this department.

Total cost: S$1857.65, not including all extra charges.

On Singapore Airlines, it would cost me S$2,091.00 to go from SIN to LHR.

SQ308: 0905 depart SIN, 1530 arrive LHR (Economy Flexi, B77W)
SQ321: 2205 depart STN, 1755+1 arrive LHR (Economy Flexi, A380)

There are three flights a day between SIN and LHR, so I chose the earliest flight out from SIN and the latest flight out of LHR.

Total cost: S$2,091.00, all charges included.

*Note: SQ has a current promotion on SIN-LHR at S$1,478.00, but travel period is from 23 Feb 2010 - 26 May 2010.

So in summary, for a difference of at most S$233.35, I get:
- to spend more time in London through SQ, amounting to as much as 12 hours. Most of that time is spent sitting in KUL's transit area if I go via D7.
- full SQ services, plus enjoy its new in-flight products on the B77W and the A380, in contrast to old seats and no free IFE on D7 (no, I don't own an ipod. Sick of them)
- If I were to spend on extras on D7, such as getting in-flight meals and entertainment, that difference of S$233.35 shrinks further.

I see absolutely no reason why I should fly D7. Good luck, D7!

[Edited 2010-02-16 00:46:56]


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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6921 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

I am told the route averages about 190-200 pax with cargo of 5 - 10 tons on the STN flight this year so far.

It just sounds so borderline at the moment in terms of profitability in the off season...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Huawei, why don't you do a business class comparison as well? I'm sure that that would be alot better. Also, the other fault is that you are flying from SIN-KUL-LHR on seperate tickets, which doesn't make as much sense. Try to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges rather than apple with oranges

User currently offlineSB From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

The A340s are going to be refitted with new cabins in May/June, which is why the route is 5 x week instead of daily for that period. Rumours are that the economy section will become 3-3-3 but have more legroom [compared to the current A330 config I imagine]. The eco+ / XL seats will become properly lie-flat as well.
Unfortunately pictures aren't available on the public web yet. New seats in the back will be tan leather with red headrests.

S.



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User currently offlinenicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting SB (Reply 13):
Unfortunately pictures aren't available on the public web yet. New seats in the back will be tan leather with red headrests.
http://picasaweb.google.com/johan.farid/AirAsiaSNewXLSeatsOnXXE#  


User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Quoting ag92 (Reply 12):
Huawei, why don't you do a business class comparison as well? I'm sure that that would be alot better.

You can't be serious. AirAsiaX's "business class" is not business class. It is Economy+ which provides nothing more than extra leg room. And getting that bigger seat sets me back another S$1,000 or so. S$3,011.83 for an economy seat with extra leg-room? Sorry no thank you!

Quoting ag92 (Reply 12):
Also, the other fault is that you are flying from SIN-KUL-LHR on seperate tickets, which doesn't make as much sense. Try to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges rather than apple with oranges

Firstly, Airasia does not allow people to buy interline tickets, only separate tickets allowed for each segment. I just tried doing that myself and the website confirmed it by not allowing me this option.

Second, I am based in SIN, and I will naturally weigh my options from my SIN base. If MH can give me highly competitive rates even on its SIN-KUL-LHR run, I don't see why an LCC can't.

As big D7 fan Pearson said:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
And it doesn’t interline or offer ‘official’ connections, although ‘self-connecting’ feed is crucial to its success according to its CEO in London last year.

If this route is going to be so dependent on self-connecting feed, then it better make it worth my time and money! Heck, MH is offering me just S$1,629.00 on its cheapest economy MHlow fare, and S$6,904.00 on its real business class seats!

[Edited 2010-02-16 03:52:01]


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

If ORY is confirmed , it will probably be NOT this year , as Air AsiaXpress CEO told , Paris is not a prioriry , preferring growing his Asian network.
The landing rights to ORY have been granted , during a Malaysian Prime Minister visit at Paris.Do not know what France got in return............


User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5721 times:

Quoting nicholaschee (Reply 14):
New seats in the back will be tan leather with red headrests.

Blimey! - Have they bought those seats ( the XL ones) off Air France and stuck on red head rests? - they look almost identical!



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User currently offlinebwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 15):
If this route is going to be so dependent on self-connecting feed, then it better make it worth my time and money!

I guess the trick is to book early. I just had a look for STN-KUL and found a return trip in october. I got a quote of £275 for the trip to KUL and back, including 1 bag and a meal. The KUL-SIN-KUL trip, again with one bag, would cost £29. So £304 from London to Singapore and back, or s$669... I think MH will have a hard time beating that price. Ofcourse, you would have to go through the hassle of going though immigration and picking up your luggage in KUL.

I suppose as you can only travel in june, this is a bit too late for you.... but hey, in a few months you can maybe have a look at next years travel plans  

[Edited 2010-02-16 07:02:59]

[Edited 2010-02-16 07:04:04]


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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting bwest (Reply 18):
I guess the trick is to book early.

As is always the case with LCCs. Unfortunately, my job forces me to travel only during peak travel times, and it is highly risky to book for tours too early due to unforeseen work commitments. Even booking a flight now for the June holidays would be quite a risky endeavour for me.

So yeah, sadly, I can't exactly book for next year either, so D7 remains almost entirely irrelevant to me!  (and that also applies to many Singaporean families and students who can't travel except during the peak holiday periods).



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
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You can fly from London to Melbourne in October for a fare of 527€ RT (incl. taxes, excl. luggages & meals).

It ain't bad at all as a regular carrier will charge you a minimum of 885€ (MH or QR and from LHR).

As I need to connect from BRU, STN becomes a difficult option. So all in all I estimate a net difference of 200€ if I check in one luggage and take a meal on each leg.

FB.



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2600 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
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Is there any reason why 9M-XXE with the "new" seats appears to be without personal IFE in both classes?
Change of strategy by Air Asia? The previous factory-new A330s all had seatback televisions.

It's possible that they are either using hand-held devices up front, as there are power points in the seats, but down the back there doesn't appear to be any provision.

Hmmm....

http://picasaweb.google.com/johan.fa...ewXLSeatsOnXXE#5431971232165829250
http://picasaweb.google.com/johan.fa...ewXLSeatsOnXXE#5431961693774605858


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
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Quoting Crosswind (Reply 21):
Is there any reason why 9M-XXE with the "new" seats appears to be without personal IFE in both classes?
Change of strategy by Air Asia? The previous factory-new A330s all had seatback televisions.

It's possible that they are either using hand-held devices up front, as there are power points in the seats, but down the back there doesn't appear to be any provision.

Hmmm....

Indeed very very weird. Hadn't noticed at first to be honest  



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User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

I think STN-KUL on the old 343s is quite a comfortable experience, using the old AC seat pitch and width. However, from personal experience, the new (delivered straight to D7) A330s that do most other runs are quite different (noting that there is one older A330 flying around with a 'standard' Y configuration). First, you have an extra seat per row (3-3-3 config), secondly the seat pitch is ordinary and thirdly there is no seat recline, only the increasingly popular slide-forward option which is useless when the seat pitch is so tight your knees are already in the back of the seat in front.

True, i can't complain given the fare I paid, but it pays to be aware of the differences in the product... Indeed I believe they realise the errors of their ways and are reconfiguring throughout this year...


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 10):
I see absolutely no reason why I should fly D7

Huaiwei, also bear in mind that D7 uses STN and, if bound for Central London, the train fare is very much more expensive than taking the "tube" from LHR. A one-way ticket on the Stansted Express from STN to London Liverpool St costs GBP19. A return ticket costs GBP28.70. So that's another benefit you get when using another carrier into LHR.


User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 24):
A one-way ticket on the Stansted Express from STN to London Liverpool St costs GBP19. A return ticket costs GBP28.70.

I remember quite some time back now on a flight from CIA to STN, the couple next to me being sold Stansted express tickets at e80 for the pair.. They couldn't believe it, and I felt a bit embarrased for them. I felt that was probably most of their spending money for the weekend (I know, that's not a lot), but they looked pretty sick after paying it.. It is one hell of a rip off especially when you could bus it for far less, but at the time this was the only option into London being touted on this particular airline - I'm sure you can guess which one.



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