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MEA's Summer Schedule, New Website Launched  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13628 times:



MEA's Summer 2010 schedule has been released and contains numerous frequency increases and additions. This schedule cycle runs from the end of March to the end of October, but the additional frequencies and additions will not start until MEA receives two additional A320s in May and June increasing the fleet to 15 aircraft. I've created an Excel spreadsheet showing MEA's present schedule cycle (Winter 09/10), its past two schedule cycles (Winter 08/09 and Summer 09), and its upcoming schedule cycle (Summer 10).

MEA has also launched a new website:
http://www.mea.com.lb

Here's a summary showing the new schedule highlights:

  • New 4x weekly service to Erbil in Iraqi Kurdistan.
  • New summer seasonal 3x weekly service to Brussels.
  • Istanbul increases from 1x daily to 2x daily.
  • Athens increases from 3x weekly to 4x weekly.
  • Rome increases from 3x weekly to 4x weekly, with an additional weekly during the peak summer months.
  • Riyadh and Jeddah increase from 11x weekly to 13x weekly (1 flight on Friday, 2 flights all other days).
  • Kuwait City increases from 11x weekly to 12x weekly.
  • Berlin and Copenhagen summer seasonal services have an additional weekly compared to last summer.
  • West Africa services improved with simplified routings and additional weekly.

Current West Africa services:
  • Mon: Beirut — Lagos — Abidjan v.v.
  • Tue: Beirut — Kano — Accra — Abidjan v.v.
  • Thu: Beirut — Lagos — Accra — Abidjan — Lagos — Beirut
  • Sat: Beirut — Lagos — Abidjan — Accra — Lagos — Beirut

Upcoming West Africa services:
  • Mon: Beirut — Lagos — Abidjan v.v.
  • Tue: Beirut — Kano — Abidjan v.v.
  • Wed: Beirut — Lagos — Accra v.v.
  • Fri: Beirut — Lagos — Abidjan v.v.
  • Sat: Beirut — Accra — Abidjan v.v.

v.v. = Vice Versa

To summarize, Accra and Abidjan services will have a maximum of one-stop instead of two-stops with Accra getting a non-stop flight.

As of the posting of this thread, the Erbil and 2nd daily Istanbul flights have not been loaded into the CRS yet.

Here's the Excel spreadsheet:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5950/measchedule.gif

Here's MEA's network as of June:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4720/mearoutemap10.png

Flights in the Excel spreadsheet are listed on a per week basis from Beirut. Airport codes in brackets [] next to frequencies indicate that flights make a stop at those airports. Destinations in italics refers to destinations operated in the peak summer season only, from June to September. Frequencies listed in parentheses () indicates peak frequencies during the peak summer season only, from June to September.

MEA presently has 3 A320-232s, 6 A321-231s, and 4 A330-243s. It will receive 2 more A320-232s in May and June of this year.

MEA will receive an additional A320 in 2011 increasing the fleet to 16 aircraft and completing the Airbus order placed in Fall 2006. MEA has 3 A320 options which it could convert into firm orders in the near future.

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Last November, MEA placed an order for a single A319, however, the airline has made no official comment on this order. It's been speculated that it will be in a VIP configuration for charter services, so it could be based out of the general aviation terminal, where one of MEA's subsidiaries, Middle East Airlines Ground Handling (MEAG), operates a fixed base operator (FBO) called Cedar Jet Center.






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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13598 times:

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
Istanbul increases from 1x daily to 2x daily

Woww.. Together with TK's twice daily service, there will be 4 daily flights between IST and BEY as of the summer 2010 schedule... Impressive...



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User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13580 times:

Quoting BA (Thread starter):

I've posted the new website news 5 min before you do... but your post seems impressive  . U've done a good homework.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 1):
Woww.. Together with TK's twice daily service, there will be 4 daily flights between IST and BEY as of the summer 2010 schedule... Impressive...

Sounds like the visa waiver between Lebanon and Turkey is giving its results already.



A300, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A346, A388, B734, B738, B772, B773, F70
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 1):
Woww.. Together with TK's twice daily service, there will be 4 daily flights between IST and BEY as of the summer 2010 schedule... Impressive...

Yes, this is the result of the new visa-free travel agreement between Turkey and Lebanon. Traffic is expected to grow significantly.

Quoting OD-BWH (Reply 2):
I've posted the new website news 5 min before you do... but your post seems impressive . U've done a good homework.

Yeah I saw your post right after I posted this one. Sorry, I didn't mean to copy you.  

Good observation about how a lot of the content was carried over from the old website. Hopefully they will add more content.



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User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 3):
Good observation about how a lot of the content was carried over from the old website. Hopefully they will add more content.

The first thing I usually look for in an airline website is the fleet and the cabin classes offered. Too sad they still show narrative descriptions and no layouts!



A300, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A346, A388, B734, B738, B772, B773, F70
User currently offlinesoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13511 times:

surprised to see ABJ 4x weekly, sometimes i fly on the west african route and ABJ flights are usually empty


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13458 times:

First of all, you just made my day! This is excellent news, the new website was truly needed. Also, the frequency upgrades are reasonable, and should mean they are getting good loads on their already upgraded frequencies on the specific routes (JED and RUH for example). Its also about time they organized the African routes, I previously had trouble understanding how those work.

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
MEA has 3 A320 options which it could convert into firm orders in the near future.

It is my understanding that the A319 is one of the options and will be delivered around the same time as the third remaining A320. I can't state this factually however.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 1):

Woww.. Together with TK's twice daily service, there will be 4 daily flights between IST and BEY as of the summer 2010 schedule... Impressive...

  

One disappointment: nothing on either Madrid or Moscow. Fingers crossed for Fall/Winter 2010/2011.

As usual, MEA are doing an excellent job utilizing their fleet. If they continue to do this well through the summer 2010 season, and if the options are still available by then (not sure when they expire, anyone?) I think they will definitely exercise them. They don't seem to have trouble financing their aircraft or generating a reasonable income, and their profits are multiplying exponentially with the new aircraft.

BA, I haven't found the time to swing by the TMA hangars yet  



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13431 times:

Quoting OD-BWH (Reply 4):
The first thing I usually look for in an airline website is the fleet and the cabin classes offered. Too sad they still show narrative descriptions and no layouts!

I agree, they should add aircraft seat maps and more details about Cedar Class and Economy Class.

An airport terminal map of BEY would be nice also.

Quoting soups (Reply 5):
surprised to see ABJ 4x weekly, sometimes i fly on the west african route and ABJ flights are usually empty

Perhaps cargo volumes are good.

Quoting ramzi (Reply 6):
It is my understanding that the A319 is one of the options and will be delivered around the same time as the third remaining A320. I can't state this factually however.

The A319 is a completely separate order and is not one of the three A320 options.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13341 times:

Quoting ramzi (Reply 6):
One disappointment: nothing on either Madrid or Moscow. Fingers crossed for Fall/Winter 2010/2011.

Moscow hasn't materialized because the issue of simplifying the Russian visa process for Lebanese citizens hasn't happened yet, so maybe next year.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4366 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13328 times:

Looking at IST flights, both with ME and TK, TK is charging almost double on the route. I guess TK can get away with this since TK flights arrive 5:40am and 8:00am as opposed to ME's flight arriving at IST at 10:20am, which might give TK the upper hand in terms of connections to tons of cities for business travelers.
Any idea if the second ME flight might arrive at IST earlier?
Looking at TK's Y fare for a mid week July IST-BEY departure I came up with $593 round trip for a 1:45 hrs. flight compared to longer flights to FRA $386, to LHR $400. Lets see if ME's 2nd flight would drop the prices?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13296 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
Looking at IST flights, both with ME and TK, TK is charging almost double on the route. I guess TK can get away with this since TK flights arrive 5:40am and 8:00am as opposed to ME's flight arriving at IST at 10:20am, which might give TK the upper hand in terms of connections to tons of cities for business travelers.

TK's flights I know are very popular for connections as it is well timed for connectivity at IST for other TK flights. For example, someone who is in London and wants to go to Beirut could chose to fly on TK via IST. MEA's fares on LHR-BEY are quite high, so I know many do fly on TK via IST.

The only substantial connectivity MEA has on its daily IST flight is the DL flight from JFK. There's quite a been of interline connectivity between DL and ME at IST.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
Any idea if the second ME flight might arrive at IST earlier?

It will be an evening flight, so it will operate after their current daily flight.



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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13256 times:

I like how MEA is concentrating on beefing up their existing successful markets.... I wonder when or if at all we will see at one point Ankara, Aleppo, Basra, Alexandria (really niche markets that MEA can charge a premium for).

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13198 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 11):
I like how MEA is concentrating on beefing up their existing successful markets.... I wonder when or if at all we will see at one point Ankara, Aleppo, Basra, Alexandria (really niche markets that MEA can charge a premium for).

These routes would be ideal for regional jets. While MEA has looked at getting regional jets in the past, I'm not sure if they are planning to get anything smaller than the A320 family in the near future.



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User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13073 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 8):
Moscow hasn't materialized because the issue of simplifying the Russian visa process for Lebanese citizens hasn't happened yet, so maybe next year.

Exactly, I was hoping it would materialize quicker. President Suleiman is on his way to Moscow, perhaps he will bring back some good news concerning the issue.



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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13041 times:

Excellent news...MEA really has turned around in the last few years. They've also added capacity, raised frequencies and their new site looks amazing-dunno why Cairo is never an option on the booking engine. The only sore spot is the new livery-but I can live with that.
Is there a market for Beirut-Damascus? I know that it's a short distance and that everyone drives, but perhaps there are some Syrians travelling via BEY who wouldn't mind avoiding the hassle of driving across the border. I know it's a stretch and only an RJ-sized a/c would make this work but was wondering what everyone else though.
Looking at the route map, the only region within A320 range that they don't offer service to is North Africa. Are Tunisair/RAM/Air Algerie taking care of that market or is there room, for a few weekly multi-stops?


User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

WOW, I was really impressed by MEA's new website. It is stylish, modern and has wealth of useful and interesting information on it in addition to a working booking engine. It seems to me great thought and attention to detail were put in.

I don't particularly like Flash headers and my recommendation is to phase it out after a month or two. The rest is great.

..



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1287 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12937 times:

The new website layout is really stylish and I love it. It has a bit of a general airline or travel website feel to it but you can find many things quickly. I'm sure there are a few broken links, older looking pages, and points for improvement (e.g. seat maps as mentioned).

I'm not sure Madrid can support MEA service frankly, Moscow might. Wasn't there also talk of Ethiopia? Why Amsterdam isn't on the agenda remains a bit of a mistery. A morning Beirut originating flight would allow very good connections with the many KLM destinations available at Schiphol, not sure they aren't available at CDG already though.

It's common knowledge now that I've switched our 4 CY tickets for ME tickets on the BRU-BEY route this Summer. I truly hope that the route will be successful and that it will be extended in the Winter season, I guess reverting to a 2 weekly service (one mid-week, one weekend) should work. It would at least get us onboard quite often. Look forward to a trip report on ME215/216!



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User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12906 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 16):
It's common knowledge now that I've switched our 4 CY tickets for ME tickets on the BRU-BEY route this Summer

Happy you   I am still waiting for the day when I switch my LH tickets for ME tickets on the OSL-BEY  



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1287 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 17):
Happy you I am still waiting for the day when I switch my LH tickets for ME tickets on the OSL-BEY

Thanks! You raise an interesting point for me here. It seems Air Baltic is soon inaugurating a RIX-BEY route 3 times a week service, would that be of any interest to your part of Europe? I have a feeling this new service of theirs is aimed at VFR travel to and from Scandinavia.



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User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 18):
Air Baltic is soon inaugurating a RIX-BEY


It's true,specially from where I live one stop to BEY, but the schedule is very bad



Sa 19/6 06:00 Tromso 09:20 Riga BT182 Economy Class, E
Sa 19/6 20:15 Riga 00:15 Beirut BT795 Economy Class, E
Su 22/8 01:50 Beirut 06:00 Riga BT796 Economy Class, U
Su 22/8 20:20 Riga 21:45 Tromso BT181 Economy Class, U

Nothing will ever beat a nonstop flight from OSL to BEY on board the elegant A330 by MEA



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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12811 times:

Quoting soups (Reply 5):
surprised to see ABJ 4x weekly, sometimes i fly on the west african route and ABJ flights are usually empty

ABJ, Ivory Coast, is the largest Lebanese community in West Africa, nearly 100.000 Lebanese people in the country.


User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12790 times:

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 20):
ABJ, Ivory Coast, is the largest Lebanese community in West Africa, nearly 100.000 Lebanese people in the country


That's true but Soups has a point,many of Lebanese are moving to neighbour countries like Ghana and Angola due to bad political situations in Cote D'ivoire.By the way the ABJ flights by MEA point a lot on cargo as well



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

I love the home page of new site, dont understand need to list connecting destinations in menu.

User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12741 times:

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
MEA has also launched a new website:
http://www.mea.com.lb

Excellent website. Looking at the route maps, looks like the codeshare to North America are all over the place: BA, VS, AF, UA, CO, AC, etc. Any plans to consolidate especially as AFAIK MEA may be looking at joining Skyteam?


User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12700 times:

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 17):
I am still waiting for the day when I switch my LH tickets for ME tickets on the OSL-BEY

You'll be waiting a while, hate to tell you that...

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 20):
ABJ, Ivory Coast, is the largest Lebanese community in West Africa, nearly 100.000 Lebanese people in the country.

   I have heard often of the flights being packed. And they fly a hell of a lot of cargo on the flight, both ways.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 23):
Excellent website. Looking at the route maps, looks like the codeshare to North America are all over the place: BA, VS, AF, UA, CO, AC, etc. Any plans to consolidate especially as AFAIK MEA may be looking at joining Skyteam?

I was surprised by their extensive codeshare network to North America! It is truly impressive, they seem to offer continuation to all the important destinations with Lebanese presence. Typical of MEA, wisely chosen.

MEA is expected to become an affiliate member of SkyTeam by the end of the current year. One would wonder what would happen then. But still, I don't think they will drop any of those codeshares unless they are offered full membership in SkyTeam, which will not happen in the near future.



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25 777way : Are those code shares or interline agrreements?[Edited 2010-02-16 09:16:34]
26 BrightCedars : I have a feeling that ME is waiting to acquire some critical mass to enter as full member iso associate.
27 Post contains images ramzi : My feeling is such as well. But what I'm thinking is why not enter as an associate now until they achieve the required mass to make them member. Bein
28 TK787 : About the website; This kind of stuff makes me crazy, same mistakes like TK; -Location of IST and GVA are totally wrong on the route map. Also in N.Am
29 Post contains links and images BA : The distance is too short. A shared taxi from Beirut to Damascus costs as little as $10. Those are actually all interline agreements with the excepti
30 SOBHI51 : Why doesn't MEA fly to neither Morrocco nor Spain?
31 777way : Why dont they fly to most of North Africa come to think of it.
32 ramzi : Do they have to relinquish the Cedar Miles program to become an associate or just to become a member? Direct bans between Lebanon and North America a
33 777way : I said North Africa.
34 Post contains links BA : MEA has been looking into Madrid, but it doesn't look like it will happen this year. Maybe next year. Casablanca is well served by Royal Air Maroc. T
35 777way : Guys I meant Arab Africa in the North.
36 Post contains images ramzi : Just read that. In that case I suppose we mustn't hold our breaths. My mistake. Besides the focus on increasing frequencies on current routes rather
37 BA : I wrote to MEA through their contact form about the mistakes on the route map and some suggestions. I've contacted them in the past and usually they a
38 yegbey01 : How much of RAM's loads consists of through traffic to West Africa and North America? I wonder how they are able to fill up these flights on a daily
39 BA : I don't have any numbers, but I am sure a lot of RAM's passengers are connecting to West Africa and North America. RAM is a great option for flying t
40 BA : There was talk of Khartoum.
41 BrightCedars : That's it! Thanks BA. And wasn't there something mentioned about Ethiopia following the recent tragedy? I think North Africa is well covered by its r
42 ramzi : Just politics. The government spoke of pressuring MEA to provide more African routes for the safety of the passengers. Now that the emotion of the cr
43 MEA330 : Soups, ABJ is the terminating station for all African flights as this is where the MEA crew are currently staying, and the crew change happens on arri
44 JU068 : Is there any reason for the change from ACC?
45 MEA330 : BA, Correct your table for Abu Dhabi, starting this summer AUH will be served 11 times per week as MEA is introducing a new morning flight to AUH SUN/
46 BA : A few years ago, Côte d'Ivoire was experiencing some serious political instabilities that prompted the arrival of the French military, as a result,
47 yegbey01 : why do you say that? all EY's flights are operated with A320 equipment, not like DXB where EK operates A330s and 777s...so my take is that there's pl
48 777way : I would have imagined French speaking and Arab North Africa culturally more attractive to Lebanese, than sub-Saharan West Africa even though the Frenc
49 yegbey01 : By the way, BER is going up to 5 weekly while CPH going up to 4 weekly during some weeks in July and August. Re. additional BER frequencies...I guess
50 Post contains images ramzi : It seems EY are doing well carrying on traffic from BEY, especially to Australia. That's what culture suggests, money speaks a whole other story. Why
51 Viscount724 : They went bankrupt and suspended service in mid-January.
52 Post contains images BA : They're included in the thread and the Excel spreadsheet. Germania is picking up these routes.
53 Post contains images AirGabon : [quote=ramzi,reply=42]Just politics. The government spoke of pressuring MEA to provide more African routes for the safety of the passengers. Now that
54 BrightCedars : I don't think MEA and MenaJet will ever be friends if MenaJet manages to start operating after the exclusivity is lifted. For North Africa, I think th
55 MEA330 : MenaJet ceased operations last year and their A320 is now operating for a Sudanese carrier.
56 BrightCedars : Did the business completely fold of is it hibernating so to speak?
57 BA : According to aircraft census pages, their A320 is being operated by MenaJet for the Sudanese carrier Sun Air, so it sounds like a wet-lease.
58 MEA330 : Aircraft is not flown by MenaJet crew, they have ceased operations.
59 BA : Thanks for the info. Hopefully the aircraft census pages will be updated soon. So MED Airways and Wings of Lebanon are the only other Lebanese airlin
60 ramzi : Possibly started off as a wet lease, came out to be more profitable for both that the Sudanese carrier purchase the aircraft... Who owned MenaJet? An
61 BA : I believe it was owned by several investors, the majority of them khaleeji. Yes, he bought TMA in 2008. I read that this was considered a few years a
62 ramzi : Thanks for the info. They must have found good reason not to do so. We'll see what comes out of TMA by the summer.
63 AH332 : Hi, I heard rumors that MEA were supposed to inaugurate service to ALG. Any truth to these? AH flies (I believe) 2x weekly to BEY. Cheers, Imad
64 yegbey01 : What does MEA need TMA for? I doubt it...That would be a high-risk flight (from a revenue perspective).. If the market warrants more seats, trust me,
65 BA : I've never heard this rumor before. If MEA was interested in entering the dedicated air freight market, acquiring TMA would mean acquiring its dedica
66 Post contains links ramzi : Exactly. Not to mention its highly reputable name. Here is a thread discussing the re-launch of TMA and including a brief of its history.
67 Post contains images BA : I know that thread, I posted it.
68 Post contains images ramzi : I know that, I was adding to the response you provided yegbey01 with.
69 Post contains links and images BA : La MEA pourrait augmenter ses vols à destination de Kinshasa et Luanda Le président de l'Union culturelle libanaise dans le monde, Ahmad Nasser, a i
70 MEA330 : Lunada LAD would be a good destination for MEA IF they can get traffic rights into Angola.This is a severely restricted airport with very few frequenc
71 ramzi : Nice. Are we looking at another two legged African route? I wonder when. The TMA hangars are still undergoing maintenance/modification. The building
72 BrightCedars : MEA flying to LAD and FIH would be some awesome news! It seems they are positioning themselves as the Brussels Airlines of the Levant as far as the Af
73 ramzi : If an A350 order is placed I believe we will see BEY-PEK/HKG and BEY-NRT/HND and of course many more long haul routes. If not, I wouldn't bet on it.
74 Post contains images BA : MEA has long been criticized for having high fares. I just came across these new advertisements in Lebanese newspapers. These are from today's Almusta
75 Viscount724 : Just curious why the ads are in English in a Lebanese newspaper?
76 BA : Normally I've seen MEA advertisements in Arabic, English, and French depending on the newspaper. Almustaqbal is an Arabic newspaper, so I was surpris
77 Post contains images yegbey01 : THe ads are a bit cheesy....I'm surprised how MEA can only come up with such creativty lacking ads to go on a national newspaper...There are some amaz
78 BA : I know, I'm very shocked!
79 Post contains links ramzi : I saw the ad in several Arabic newspapers before yesterday actually (23rd) and went ahead and checked the prices online. They do no include taxes. Lo
80 Raffik : I've just checked London- Beirut as I want to go and see my Dad in june and it's showing as £520 return. I would love to fly MEA every time, but when
81 soups : Just got back from BEY on BD LHR-BEY flight only had 32 pax return capacity was 40% but only 5 flying into LHR everyone going to Canada, LAX, SFO ORD
82 Raffik : That's a good fare but we're still in February. .. by June the prices rocket up. I paid £490 to go with Egyptair last time with a night flight from
83 Post contains links BA : Cedar Jet Center's website has finally been launched: http://www.cedarjetcenter.com/
84 ramzi : Great website. The CJC is certainly a big help in the GA sector at BEY. The map got me wondering... next to the GA terminal are 5 new hangars, I think
85 BA : The 1st hangar (closest to the GA terminal) belongs to Executive Aircraft Services (EAS) which is owned by Mohammad Safadi (or his wife, I forgot), t
86 Carmelo : How can you assume these destinations?What's the reason behind it?Are there any lebanese living which would make money on this route? I would rather
87 ramzi : Thanks for the info! I'm sure the 5th isn't finished, but the 4th appeared to be in its final stages. If you think about it really the most reasonabl
88 Raffik : The route was served before then.. in the 1990s too. It was before the competition of Emirates, Etihad etc and at a time MEA owned Boeing 747-200s. H
89 ramzi : Yes, this is what I was trying to remember. The problem is financing... of course they would love such aircraft soon, but I believe they need the 7-y
90 BrightCedars : I was more thinking of ME having a direct flight to an alliance buddy's hub in either or both of China and India than anything else, which would benef
91 Raffik : A 3 weekly JFK/EWR service would be fantastic. Within the range of the A330 too, if they were able to get hold of any more. There is so much traffic
92 yegbey01 : Unfortunately, the Lebanese Government is not in full control of the airport. Many Lebanese A.Netters ignore that fact. Besides, screening at BEY is
93 BrightCedars : Looking at IST's security personnel and the number of flights they have to the US, I don't think that's really a concern or they would be banned as w
94 Post contains images Raffik : I don't fully agree with that. Correct. The ban is not in place because BEY has sub par security. I pass throughout that airport regularly and their
95 ramzi : You need not say more. I think its very unfortunate that politics is taking part in aviation in the 21st century. Sad in fact, when people cannot hav
96 yegbey01 : By the way, Cyprus loaded their second daily departure from BEY: CY 1343: BEY 23:05 - LCA: 23:50
97 BA : According to the latest Airbus orders and deliveries information, MEA has converted its single A319 order to an A320. That means MEA has 4 A320s on or
98 yegbey01 : Interesting...Does that mean that it will be part of the commercial fleet or will it remain a VIdedicated aircraft?P
99 BA : Pretty sure it will be part of the commercial fleet. A320 corporate jets are pretty rare. Airbus markets them as the A320 Prestige. Remember that MEA
100 ramzi : Good news for MEA, but it also would have been nice to see a 319 used mainly for charters. Do we know the delivery date on the third and fourth baby b
101 BA : I'm not sure. We'll find out soon hopefully.
102 777way : Can other airlines operate to US via BEY?
103 Post contains links BA : Berri also revealed that Middle East Airlines will launch an indirect route to Africa through Belgium in June in addition to another direct route to A
104 Raffik : I wonder how that will work. Seems strange to send an A330 all the way up to BRU (I assume it to be an A330 because those African destinations can be
105 yegbey01 : Indirect route through Belgium.....whatever that means. It all sounds like good old politician talk...it probably means that MEA will be coordinating
106 BA : They're not sending an A330 to BRU. He said indirect route which means making a connection at BRU. Remember that Brussels Airlines has an extensive A
107 Post contains links BA : MEA to start flights to Kinshasa and Libreville Article in Arabic only: http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?...482&ChannelId=34407&ArticleId=1
108 yegbey01 : wow....interesting indeed!!!! As always good luck to MEA. I's guessing these would be high yielding routes as they are almost entirely 100% O&D t
109 BrightCedars : I can only hope that this kind of agreement could support the case for ME to operate BEY-BRU on a year-round basis. It wouldn't make much sense otherw
110 Raffik : The announcement was a bit cack handed. They could have just announced, once confirmed that they were code sharing with SN. I wonder how many people
111 BrightCedars : I don't think we're looking at a high volume thing here. The fact is that this could help support a year-round service at BRU and is something in the
112 Post contains images Raffik : This was the official MEA schedule for the JFK services. Apparently in the early days of the services, there would be just 90 passengers onboard. Ofco
113 777way : So MEA or any carrier cannot operate from BEY via another stop to US?
114 brightcedars : Thanks for this wonderful insert. I'm sure they would do better, but to put it in perspective, the fares would be quite different too! For those not
115 BA : No. What we will see with Brussels Airlines is nothing more than a coordination in flight connections. I don't even expect a codeshare agreement to b
116 777way : Maybe PIA could do KHI-BEY-CDG-JFK and find a market, they used to do KHI-DAM-Europe-JFK and KHI-DAM-FRA-JFK-YYZ in the late 80s.
117 wassch71 : MEA, and even Air Liban before the merger, never served neither Libreville nor Kinshasa; even at better days for Lebanon, Gabon and Zaire/Democratic R
118 yegbey01 : Looks like Lufthansa is upping its summer schedule to BEY (12 weeklies). Seems like a of of capacity to Germany among LH, MEA, Germania and some other
119 Post contains links wassch71 : I also forgot among ex-African destinations Tripoli/Libya and Benghazi, both operated on and off by MEA until the early nineties (Tripoli was dropped
120 ME AVN FAN : Same plane service IS "direct travel". The US ban is against - direct same-plane (nothing about non-stop) flights between Lebanon and the USA - sched
121 ME AVN FAN : While Istanbul on the ME map indeed is moved to the Greek/Turkish border, GVA however is almost correctly, expcept possibly in Nyon or Rolle instead
122 cedars747 : I flew MEA from GRU to BEY with 1 stop in ABJ in Cedar class , it was an amazing experience from seat to food and cabin crew to the point that my use
123 MEA330 : MEA 's second daily rotation to IST will be operated by A321: ME267 BEY-IST 17:40 - 19:25 ME268 IST-BEY 20:25 - 22:05 The morning ME265/266 will be op
124 BA : I wish MEA would consider making CPH a year-round destination if this is the case!
125 cedars747 : CPH use to be a year round destination .I wonder why MEA want's to fly 4 times a week to CPH and don't consider STO and OSL at least for the summer
126 Post contains links BA : MEA will be launching 2x weekly scheduled services to Medina in Saudi Arabia next month. Flights will operate on Wednesdays and Thursdays. MEA has in
127 Directorguy : Great to know MEA is adding a bunch of new destinations...following the recent liberlization at MED it was time it got new service. Interesting that M
128 Post contains images cedars747 : What will be the routing ? Non stop
129 MEA330 : MED route will be operated BEY-MED-JED-BEY and BEY-JED-MED-BEY triangle routes. Passengers on JED route will not like this at all. Directorguy No part
130 cedars747 : Totally agree MEA330.10x for your response
131 yegbey01 : I also noticed that MEA's sked to Saudi has changed from what it was a couple weeks back. JED will have 11 weeklies nonstop MED 2 weeklies with conti
132 BA : Yes I have to say I am really puzzled by this move. I hope MEA eventually splits MED into having its own dedicated flights. Hopefully next year when
133 MEA330 : MED should be operated as an afternoon dedicated roundtrip, giving a good connection to CDG flights.
134 BA : MEA330, About Kinshasa via Kano. Originally MEA's plan was to make its weekly KAN flight continue to ABJ only, rather than ACC and ABJ as it currently
135 Directorguy : MEA was quoted as being in negotiations with Bombardier at some point..along with negotiations with A&B for either the 787 or A350...but nothing
136 yegbey01 : There was a misconception that people in the Middle East will only fly mainline service...But Royal Jordanian, Saudia, and Gulf Air (and Iraqi) have
137 Post contains images ramzi : I don't see MED being that big an issue. It is just twice weekly, so the odds of one having to pass through MED when traveling to JED are minimal all
138 Post contains links BA : Bad news about MEA, in Arabic only: http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?...182&EditionId=1490&ChannelId=34592 Profits declined $30 million in
139 yegbey01 : I think MEA should stop whining all the time.....WIth hundreds of thousands of passengers flying in on all sorts of airlines and spending billions in
140 wassch71 : No, MEA did nt have traffic rights on that sector. In fact, even when MEA used multiple leg routings it seldom enjoyed traffic rights. The only ones
141 MEA330 : yegbey01 In the arlticle MEA is not complaining about "local" competition but foreign carriers allowed unlimited access to BEY airport, while it canno
142 yegbey01 : Could it be that IST is not able to accommodate the specific time slot? Who knows.....Nobody really knows!!! But, frankly, The Open Skies policy has
143 BA : What do you mean nobody really knows? It states right in the article that Turkish authorities denied MEA the time period it wanted for the 2nd flight
144 ramzi : I think the AlSafir article is rather non-factual. What do they mean by the past 5 months? How does profit get calculated over 5 months? The profit is
145 yegbey01 : Sure, I did....It specifically says that MEA was granted a time slot after mid-night which wasn't convenient for MEA. The article also states that Tu
146 BA : Companies are constantly calculating their financial performance throughout the year. The article states that MEA has been operating a $6 million los
147 ramzi : I admit I had missed that point earlier. That being said I honestly find it unlikely ME would be making exactly $6 million less every month from the
148 BA : I'm sure it's an approximation and not exactly $6 million every month. I also don't think it's accurate to expect this rate to continue in the summer
149 ramzi : Actually there is some logical reasoning here... ME always does better in summer than all other times. The article specifically says the decreases ar
150 yegbey01 : I well....do we know if IST can accommodate that flight at the specific timing? I'm not defending Turkey, but I'm sure during the summer, BEY can not
151 BA : All airlines tend to report higher profits in the summer time, not just MEA. Profits of companies are not uniform throughout the year, they fluctuate
152 Post contains images ramzi : I do not disagree, and for that reason I wouldn't say MEA is in trouble. Seasonal or not, this winter is weaker than last winter, this is what leads
153 MEA330 : IST airport is very congested these days, as TK has increased singnificantly its fleet. But if they bought 40 or so Airbus/Boeing is no reason for the
154 BA : If MEA is now reporting losses when it previously was reporting strong profits, then there clearly is a crisis. It could be a combination of mismanag
155 Post contains images ramzi : Very true. The frequency increases from the Gulf have gotten a little out of control. I am pretty sure they can. Let's hope for the best, quickly as
156 yegbey01 : That's a very interesting point that is being raised: Why then MEA continues to code share with EY, QR and Saudi??? I suppose the whole point of code
157 Post contains links yegbey01 : Another article about MEA in the daily star http://dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?..._id=1&categ_id=3&article_id=112989
158 ramzi : You are not wrong... but there is also EK flying only wide bodies with 17 weekly frequencies, there is Saudi flying from Jeddah and Riyadh, Dammam is
159 BA : Mainly because MEA wants to provide connectivity options for its customers to the Far East and Oceania. Whether MEA codeshares with them or not, it i
160 ramzi : Finally we've got some facts from certified officials. Never the less, the issue we addressed earlier about how in-organized the open skies agreement
161 yegbey01 : Which at least to me is a clear indication that the $6 million per month in decreased profit that MEA is witnessing (while significant to MEA) is a d
162 Post contains links yegbey01 : Here's a detailed article..... http://almustaqbal.com/Issues/AsISPDF/23-03-10/f12.html Clearly, there will be no changes to the Open Skies policy. The
163 yegbey01 : Looks like MEA is adding more flights to ATH. With Olympic out of the BEY market, MEA is jumping in to fill the void. Will be going up gradually from
164 Post contains images ramzi : Very nice news indeed!
165 mozart : Looking through MEA's summer timetable there's one thing I don't understand: how can they operate all those flights indicated to use an A332 with just
166 Post contains images ramzi : Mozart, I don't have detailed info but what I can tell you is that JED for instance doesn't get regular A330s. Its usually once a week. There are two
167 Post contains images ramzi : I just found out Turkish operates two weekly cargo frequencies to BEY. Apparently the Thursday flight continues to Cairo, I don't know about the Mond
168 ramzi :
169 yegbey01 : Looks like MEA has loaded Erbil on its schedule...4 weeklies starting May 4. The Iraq-BEY market has been growing quite steadily ever since they opene
170 OD-BWH : Typical Lebanese newspapers. It shows how unfprofessional those people are. I don't know where he got his news from, but who told him that TK is oper
171 777way : Cargolux and DHL currently, previous operators included Emirates, Qatar, MAS and Martinair cargo.
172 ramzi : Yes I knwo about Cargolux its been operating BEY for a while. DHL fly their aircraft to BEY? I also know that Martinair used to operate the route but
173 777way : MH was probably 2003 maybe EK too, and QR a year or so ago, cargo market trends keep changing I guess thats why they stopped flying freighters in.
174 MEA330 : TK Cargo also flies to BEY with their A310
175 ramzi : Thats impressive, I had no clue. Would have made a few good photos.
176 777way : Air France Cargo also flew there till 2001.
177 Post contains links ramzi : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=55536495
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