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EgyptAir 777-300ER Delivery Date?  
User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15629 times:

Does anyone know when the first delivery is planned for?

Also, what configuration and routes will the jet be deployed on?

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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15454 times:
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Should think they are 3 class and they are scheduled to operate to Heathrow for sure

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15344 times:

Quoting ArabAirX (Thread starter):
Does anyone know when the first delivery is planned for?

Should be very soon, I read something about spring 2010. 77Ws coming in, 772s going out. Would be nice to hear wether the 772s have been placed somewhere else already.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15112 times:
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I read they were going to have Business & Coach, no First Class. The Business Class is going to be very luxurious, 49 seats in total.

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15045 times:

I read somewhere they are due on the LHR route on the 1st April (no joke I hope!), I fly with them on the 20th March (LHR-CAI) then back on the 5th April. Checking their website just now, both flights are down as 77W  


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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14956 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
The Business Class is going to be very luxurious, 49 seats in total.

i.e. 7 abreast in J, 2+3+2

So is cattle class 3+3+3 or the full monty (3+4+3)?



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14829 times:

They will definitely send it to DXB, you struggle to find a seat to/from Cairo sometimes.

User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14785 times:

The 77Ws begin deliveries in March 2010, and will enter scheduled commercial service on the Cairo to London and Tokyo routes. I assume one of the Cairo-Jeddah flights will also get the 77W.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 6):
They will definitely send it to DXB, you struggle to find a seat to/from Cairo sometimes.

Sadly I don't think CAI-DXB is quite a 77W route for MS since they never send the 77E there. But I fully expect the morning CAI-DXB to get the A333 sooner rather than later, although the only confirmed A333 flight will be LHR (which will be temporarily downgraded from the 77W).

Quoting Swallow (Reply 5):
So is cattle class 3+3+3 or the full monty (3+4+3)?

It will probably be 3-3-3 although I would prefer the 3-4-2 config on the 77Es.


User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14635 times:

Quoting ArabAirX (Thread starter):

I know they are introducing a new Business Class product 49/279. They plan to start LHR in April and NRT in May from what I recall.

Quoting NA (Reply 2):
Would be nice to hear whether the 772s have been placed somewhere else already.

I believe they are selling (2) to Transaero Airlines to have a total fleet of (4) 77E.



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User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14371 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 7):
although the only confirmed A333 flight will be LHR (which will be temporarily downgraded from the 77W).

Do you know the dates for this?


User currently offlinejambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13973 times:

EGYPTAIR all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a thought--- how far in flight hours is CAI-LHR????

WOuld it be better to have 2x daily frequency A330/B738 instead of 1x daily B777 on CAI-LHR route????
The New B777 can then be used for expansion in North America, and Japan.

ANd possibly upgrade their A330 with inflight PTV in Cattle Class. SInce Cairo is a hub Connecting London with Africa, Asia, then frequency is very important.

I know they do codeshare with BMI but having 3x daily flights will make a big difference, wont it?????

EGYPTAIR have been having 1 daily to LHR for years when their young brothers( who have now grown up) EK, EY, QR have estalished multiple frequencies to London. Not that Doha, Abudhabi - London O&D is bigger then Cairo-London


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13803 times:

Quoting jambo (Reply 10):
Just a thought--- how far in flight hours is CAI-LHR????

WOuld it be better to have 2x daily frequency A330/B738 instead of 1x daily B777 on CAI-LHR route????
The New B777 can then be used for expansion in North America, and Japan.

ANd possibly upgrade their A330 with inflight PTV in Cattle Class. SInce Cairo is a hub Connecting London with Africa, Asia, then frequency is very important.

I know they do codeshare with BMI but having 3x daily flights will make a big difference, wont it?????

Isn't Bmi axing CAI (or is it just the 332); either way, there will be a capacity shortage. As to its own slots, it is a question of best use; I know they have a few other slots, apart from their daily flights, but essentially it's a daily flight, so an airline needs to use its largest type. I definitely agree that MS will use the 77W to LHR first; they will also want to maximise connectibility at CAI, something they've never really been great at doing.

Flying time is about 5h15 from CAI to LHR and 4h55 back, so ballpark of 5h, and of course, dependant on winds, ATC issues etc.

After JED, DXB and LHR, I would expect to see JFK, BKK and possibly NRT to follow, but I think you will also see it on routes like Paris, FRA, JNB and others in due course. They do tend to chop and change quite a bit - and I hope this doesn't end!


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13767 times:
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Three things

1. They have only 9 slot pairs a week (And one is used for a weekly Tourist flight direct to Luxor) with Friday having an extra late evening Cairo flight.
2. Loads are very high (But too far far day trip, so no real benefit to multi flight ops
3. Cargo. The route generates heavy cargo loads - Both ways.

The 772/77W combination really suited.

By the way LHR/CDG and FRA all generate heavy traffic into Cairo and see the competition operating similar sized aircraft and in high season even the the 744 !


User currently onlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13731 times:

How is MS doing to NRT? Do they have daily flights and are they running full?

I guess this is mostly tourist traffic?


User currently offlineIrregKing From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12944 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 6):
They will definitely send it to DXB, you struggle to find a seat to/from Cairo sometimes.
Quoting directorguy (Reply 7):
Sadly I don't think CAI-DXB is quite a 77W route for MS since they never send the 77E there. But I fully expect the morning CAI-DXB to get the A333 sooner rather than later, although the only confirmed A333 flight will be LHR (which will be temporarily downgraded from the 77W).


When are the 333's due?

They are already sending their 332's and the newer 738's to DXB on a regular basis.
So I am almost sure that MS will send their new 77W's every now and then to Dubai. Probably not on a daily basis but as said, every now and then.

Why?
Just as all the fashion designers who send their newest creations to the catwalks in Milan (or Paris or New York for that matter) the Arab airlines send their newest aircraft to DXB.... it's show-off season!
It might not make sense to a western purely revenue- and profitability-driven individual... but to us Arab's it DOES make sense  

In any way I am super-excited to see the first 77W in MS colours!
She will be one sexy beauty!



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User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11520 times:

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 8):
I know they are introducing a new Business Class product 49/279. They plan to start LHR in April and NRT in May from what I recall.

It'll certainly be interesting to compare their business class product alongside Emirates, Qatar and Etihad.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11038 times:

Quoting jambo (Reply 10):
WOuld it be better to have 2x daily frequency A330/B738 instead of 1x daily B777 on CAI-LHR route????
The New B777 can then be used for expansion in North America, and Japan.

They don't have the slots-and with BD operating a daily flight with code-sharing both ways, MS basically has two dailies to LHR.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
Isn't Bmi axing CAI (or is it just the 332); either way, there will be a capacity shortage. As to its own slots, it is a question of best use; I know they have a few other slots, apart from their daily flights, but essentially it's a daily flight, so an airline needs to use its largest type. I definitely agree that MS will use the 77W to LHR first; they will also want to maximise connectibility at CAI, something they've never really been great at doing.

BD will be (sadly) downgrading CAI back to an A321...only KSA will see the A330 in BD colours. I know that a lot of TATL traffic originating from the other side of the pond connects unto that BD flight
Quoting AF022 (Reply 13):
How is MS doing to NRT? Do they have daily flights and are they running full?

I guess this is mostly tourist traffic?

Currently it's a thrice-weekly A340 service to NRT. Not sure about the loads but this is a tourist-heavy route and is more of a saturated market for MS. Mostly relies on O&D since the Japan flights aren't optimally timed to connect with the Europe bank at CAI.
Beginning May, it becomes a 6-weekly 77W to NRT.

Quoting IrregKing (Reply 14):
Why?
Just as all the fashion designers who send their newest creations to the catwalks in Milan (or Paris or New York for that matter) the Arab airlines send their newest aircraft to DXB.... it's show-off season!
It might not make sense to a western purely revenue- and profitability-driven individual... but to us Arab's it DOES make sense
Quoting IrregKing (Reply 14):
So I am almost sure that MS will send their new 77W's every now and then to Dubai. Probably not on a daily basis but as said, every now and then.

Haha. Wishful thinking  . I would be very, very surprised if MS sends the 77Ws to DXB since they only send the A330 at the moment although their loads are very good and I daresay would warrant a daily 77W+A333 in the summer to DXB. But sending the new A333 on the CAI-DXB will most likely attract greater loyalty as soon as word gets out about the new PTV and improved hard product. Hopefully this will drive yields up.

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 9):
Do you know the dates for this?

Deliveries begin August 2010 but beginning September CAI-LHR-CAI will become an A333.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
By the way LHR/CDG and FRA all generate heavy traffic into Cairo and see the competition operating similar sized aircraft and in high season even the the 744 !

No doubt these three are the 'flagship' European routes. CDG will certainly get th A333 sooner rather than later. FRA however seems to be a bit complex-it's not always an A330 but a 738 route at least part of the time


User currently offlineVirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet.

But here you can see one of their new 77W's

http://paineairport.com/kpae2738.htm

And here is a video of it being rolled out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ_dGmn49M&feature=player_embedded

Fully painteed:

http://www.youtube.com/user/skylinephotopae#p/u/1/0ANPJKMfCHU

Jordan  

EDIT: Adding the link of the video.

[Edited 2010-02-16 14:46:52]

[Edited 2010-02-16 14:49:42]


The amazing tale of flight.
User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

Virginblue4, you beat me to it!! I was just about to post those videos!  

I went crazy when I saw those videos the first time, a beautiful bird.

As for the question by the thread starter:

The Egyptair 777-300ER will be operating on the following routes:

Cairo – London Heathrow 01APR10 – 31AUG10
Cairo – Tokyo effective 02MAY10

http://airlineroute.net/2010/01/14/ms-77w/

This is the first of 6 777-300ERs due to arrive, I expect further destinations once more of the aircraft arrive. Keep in mind that EgyptAir have also ordered 8 A330-300s which they could also utilise on long-haul routes (Toronto is rumoured to be one of the routes the A330-300 would serve).

The EgyptAir 777-300ERs will feature Business Class and Economy Class only, 49 and 297 seats respectively.

The EgyptAir 777-300ERs will have PTV (Personal Televisions) in all classes (Business and Economy), and will also feautre brand new lie-flat business class seating.

I cant wait! I may be flying the LHR - CAI route this summer, if I do, I will definitely post a TR of this stunning aircraft.

Quoting jambo (Reply 10):
ANd possibly upgrade their A330 with inflight PTV in Cattle Class. SInce Cairo is a hub Connecting London with Africa, Asia, then frequency is very important.

The 6 777-300ERs on order, the 8 A330-300s on order will feature PTVs in all classes, whilst there are plans to rennovate the interiors of the 7 current A330-200s

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 4):
I read somewhere they are due on the LHR route on the 1st April (no joke I hope!), I fly with them on the 20th March (LHR-CAI) then back on the 5th April. Checking their website just now, both flights are down as 77W

I beg you to post a TR for us!!

[Edited 2010-02-16 18:07:25]

[Edited 2010-02-16 18:09:44]

User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

What about ORD,IAD or bring back LAX again when these new planes come in?

User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 742 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7105 times:
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Quoting Swallow (Reply 5):
i.e. 7 abreast in J, 2+3+2

Not very luxerious in my oppionion   Just pictureing myself for 11 hours in a middle seat in business class, not my idea of premium travel.

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 18):
The 6 777-300ERs on order, the 8 A330-300s on order will feature PTVs in all classes

If the 333 and 332 get the same seats in business class, they would have to be 2-2-2? If that is the case I would fly those over the 77W anyday.

Anyhow, congrats to MS on a new eara in longhoul starting this March 

Cheers
Stein



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting UALORD (Reply 19):
What about ORD,IAD or bring back LAX again when these new planes come in?

MS already has a code-share in place with UA. However, I think we're more likely to see CAI-YYZ and CAI-ORD since that would tie in with two large *A hubs. I wouldn't mind flying an A333 with PTVs on both routes-however not sure if the 333 can do those routes nonstop without restrictions.
UA is more likely to start IAD-CAI since it would fit with their capital-to-capital strategy. It would also give them convenient access to places like JED, RUH, BEY, DAM, DMM.
But to be honest I'm a bit skeptical if there's enough traffic to warrant up to 5 potential daily nonstops to North America (MS CAI-JFK/YYZ/ORD)+ UA (IAD-CAI)+ (DL JFK-CAI). This would eat hurt LH's loads to/from CAI since they capture quite a lot of NA-bound traffic.
A CAI-LAX flight would be too much of a stretch and not sure if demand exists for that flight. Personally I would rather MS invest in a route to South America-preferrebly GIG.

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 18):
The EgyptAir 777-300ERs will have PTV (Personal Televisions) in all classes (Business and Economy), and will also feautre brand new lie-flat business class seating.

I just hope they put up an 'On Board' section on their website-the current site offers absolutely no info about the type of product they offer on their current fleet.


User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 21):
I just hope they put up an 'On Board' section on their website-the current site offers absolutely no info about the type of product they offer on their current fleet.

Same, theyre website is nice, but they can add much more.

Btw I forgot to mention, the new aircraft will have OnAir Technology which will allow pax to use thier cell phones and use the internet on their flights. The personal entertainment system will also include a USB port.


User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 18):
This is the first of 6 777-300ERs due to arrive, I expect further destinations once more of the aircraft arrive. Keep in mind that EgyptAir have also ordered 8 A330-300s which they could also utilise on long-haul routes (Toronto is rumoured to be one of the routes the A330-300 would serve).

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Egyptair have orders at some point for the A340-600, or was that just an expression of interest in the jet?


User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Quoting Virginblue4 (Reply 17):
I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet.

But here you can see one of their new 77W's

http://paineairport.com/kpae2738.htm

And here is a video of it being rolled out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ_dGmn49M&feature=player_embedded

Fully painteed:

http://www.youtube.com/user/skylinep...MfCHU

Mostly white painted liveries look boring (cough, LH/AF, cough) but this is definitely eye-catching! Literally!  


25 Post contains images RobK : SU-GDL was due to make first flight on Tuesday just gone so it's overdue there. Delivery is currently planned for 8 March but this could slip with fir
26 Post contains images egyptair269 : I dont remember a serious offer from EgyptAir for th A340-600, maybe just interest or a rumour?? As a matter of fact they are retiring their current
27 SXDFC : Does anyone have any pictures of what the product(s) on this bad boy will be?
28 Post contains links and images kaitak : I think they had three on order, but this order was changed to A330-200s. Well, here she is, in glorious technicolor! View Large View MediumPhoto ©
29 Post contains images egyptair269 : Oh my sweet god. She's such a beauty Where can we get info on delivery dates?? I'm also dying to see the interior of this aircraft, especially the ne
30 kaitak : I'm glad I'm not the only one to react like that! Well, the first scheduled flight is on the 1st April, so I'm thinking the first or second week of M
31 directorguy : Elle est tres belle, je suis tombe en amour oh la la :P....thanks for sharing with us. Hmm...imagine MS and the A346. They would be useful on long,pr
32 eicvd : Make that 3 of us so. Thats the number 1 a/c im hoping to see at LHR in May.
33 faro : Agreed, that is quite possibly the prettiest livery flying today. Faro
34 Post contains images PEET7G : I think I cannot agree more... really great job by MS bringing up their image and services the past few years.
35 Post contains links egyptair269 : If you guys thought the pic was beautiful, wait till you see this: Egyptair's 777-300ER during a RTO test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1SVBjl_EE&
36 directorguy : Great video, thanks for sharing....I can't wait! I just realised-why doesn't it say Misr lil Tayaran on the new livery? It's a shame they dropped the
37 egyptair269 : Well it says it on the engine.
38 Post contains links and images egyptair269 : Guys theres been an update. EgyptAir will use the 777-300ER on the CAI-LHR route earlier than expected. They had planned to start on the 1st of April,
39 UALORD : And it looks like NRT will be another route, but in may.
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