Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 17 Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
As you all may know that Air France has both the A340 and the 777 in it's fleet. And another 10 777-300 on order. Do they want to keep their A340s or are they going to leave the fleet in the next years?
A330/B777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1347 times:
AF continues to recieve new A340's. They aren't going anywhere. They serve a completely differant market than do the 777's. Those operate the higher yield markets, since they can economiclly have a higher percentage of First and Biz. Class seats.
With the new A330's coming this fall, thier commonallity within the fleet is secured for years to come.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
AF will not be ditching their A340-300's. As A330/777 said, the two aircraft serve different markets. AF owns something like 50 A340's, and they are all under 10 years old. They will be in the fleet a long time to come.
BTW, why did AF order the A330-200? The 767-400 would make much more sense, seeing that it has the same rating as the 777. The A330/A340 may have common cockpits, but don't share a common rating because of the differences in engines.
A320-Addict From Belgium, joined Apr 2001, 250 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1296 times:
The A340 and A330 have as well identical cockpits
exept for throttles..... and the internal systems like fuel, hydraulics are as well different.
In all day operations and for the crew the A330 and A340 are more similar than the 777 and the 767-400.
A330/B777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
Well, they are extremlly similar. About as close as an A320 is to an A340. So even though they are not cross crew compatible, it does aid in training to have a pilot that is already familiar with the general layout.
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1416 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1268 times:
The Boeing website says nothing about common type ratings with the B767-400ER and the B777 family. All it says is that the B767 family have a common type rating with the B757's, and that includes the B767-400ER. A 764 is a 764 yes???
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1217 times:
The cockpits of the 764 and 777 may be the same or similar but still the A330 and A340 offer more cost-cutting points since there isn't only a cockpit to save money in.... The whole planes are quite the same except for the exceptions.
Does anybody know the exact number of A340s in AFs fleet at the moment and the number of planes still to come, and also the same with the 777?
King767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
"The Boeing website says nothing about common type ratings with the B767-400ER and the B777 family. All it says is that the B767 family have a common type rating with the B757's, and that includes the B767-400ER. A 764 is a 764 yes???"
The 764 and 777, they share identical cockpits, but the reason why you do not see a common type rating between the 764 and 777 is because of the flight control systems, with the 777 being FBW. A pilot flying the 764 can easily take the differences training and be qualified for both. This is even the case with the 737NG, the only differences between the 764 and the NG are small differences with the overhead panel.
"The cockpits of the 764 and 777 may be the same or similar but still the A330 and A340 offer more cost-cutting points since there isn't only a cockpit to save money in.... The whole planes are quite the same except for the exceptions."
Alot more than the cockpit and interior of the 777 have been integrated into the 764. Various components have been taken from the 777 and put into the 764 like the carbon brakes, windows, and similar landing gear.
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1160 times:
L'Espace180, Thank you for that information. If I would have known before that AF has more A340s to come I wouldn't have started this topic Well, so I can say that it did help. Does anybody know anything about AF taking the 777s from Aeroflot? I heard something like that a few months ago.
Tom_EDDF From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
I guess one possible reason for taking the 777 instead of e.g. the A345 and A346 is the available engine choice. AF has a strong commitment to GE (and therefore CFM as well), which is available with the 777, while the 345/346 are only available with the RR Trent.
A few years ago, AF forced airbus to offer the A318 with the CFM56, while it was originaly planned with the PW2000 only.
Steman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1106 times:
According to the homepage of our friend The777man,
Air France has 17 B777-200ER in service, 7 more on order and the 10 B777-300ER on order for a grand total of 34.
If the total of A340s ordered is 21, I think there are less in service because some where leased by Sabena (but maybe they are not counted in the total and they were -200 examples) and at least one has been lost in an accident on the ground.
I would like to understand in which way 777s and A340s serve different markets, for example, 777 used on JFK and A340 used on DFW, aren't them both US destinations?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7873 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1104 times:
I think AF has both the A340-300 and 777-200ER for increased operational flexibility.
One thing that the 772ER has over the A343 is you can put in more premium seating and carry slightly more cargo on the plane. That allows AF to fly the 772ER on routes that has as much emphasis on cargo traffic as on passenger traffic (CDG-EWR, CDG-ORD, CDG-GIG, and CDG to the Middle East).
Currently, AF flies the A343 to SFO during the winter low season; it'll be interesting to see once AF completes its 772ER order will they switch to using the 772ER on the CDG-SFO route in the winter and assign the A343 to other AF long international routes.
Skyhooked From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
Interesting thread as people have rather set opinions.
Just in order to add my grain of salt :
The 340's are here to stay,at least for a long while,along with the 777's AND the 330's that have been ordered.
As for to-day,both the 340 and the 330 will be part of one division and aircrews will be ,as we say "double rated" and fly,according to their roster either one on a particular block.Of course,the utilization of these aircraft will be different,the main difference being not (as anybody would think) a matter of systems or the number of throttles or the hydraulics,but their line operations ie ETOPS ( on the 330) or not.
The 767-400 ,as the 767-300 of which we're getting rid does'nt fit our system because of their container carrying capability,as AF carries a great deal of cargo.
As a final point,AF is rather desperate for new airplanes as the airline expansion is still very strong.So watch in the near future for continuing orders,both of 777's and 3230/340's,I hope.