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Military Air Command Flights In The 1960's  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

I have a number of questions regarding the MAC flights to Vietnam in the 1960's and early 1970's

1. Which airlines operated the flights into Vietnam, and which airline had the "largest route network" for the MAC charters? the most obvious candidates are Braniff or Pan American
2. Pan American flew soldiers on R & R trips to Sydney, Hong Kong etc. Would Braniff, Continental etc also operate the R
& R trips?
3. Would the flights themselves differ much from scheduled flights? eg First Class and Economy seats, full meal and bar services etc
4. Braniff, for example, ordered around 10 or so 707-327C's, to operate the MAC flights. Were ALL these aircraft needed at the same time, or would some be based in Travis, while others operated mainline domestic/international civillian flights? Same goes for Continental etc

Thanks very much!

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User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

World Airways were always one of the biggest MAC carriers. I worked for them in the 1980's
They took MAC very seriously as opposed to some airlines that jumped in to do the odd MAC flight when the economy was getting low and they had spare aircraft on their hands.
Service wise on board it was just like a scheduled service unless it was a SAM mission when C rations were served


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24922 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Flying Tigers also operated many flights to/from Vietnam, for both troops and cargo.

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
Pan American flew soldiers on R & R trips to Sydney, Hong Kong etc.

Pan Am published timetables for their Vietnam R & R flights. Example from December 1968.
http://timetableimages.com/i-or/pa6812i.jpg


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Braniff's newly delivered 707-320C's were first used on the military charter flights to Saigon on June 2, 1966. From what I can tell the first BN 320's did not enter regular passenger service, but were first used on the MAC charters, flying from Kelly AFB Texas to Travis AFB Calif, to Hickam AFB HNL, to Anderson AFB Guam, to Clark AFB Philippines, to Saigon.

A recent thread on MAC flights:
Macpac Military Charters From Travis AFB (by AFORMSGUY Feb 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineMacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4701 times:
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Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
3. Would the flights themselves differ much from scheduled flights? eg First Class and Economy seats, full meal and bar services etc

In 1968, I flew on World (I think) from Travis to Honolulu, to Guam, to Clark and ultimately Saigon. The aircraft was, I believe, a DC-8 with all economy seating. It did have meal service, but no alcohol in the beverage service. When we landed along the way, we were kept on the plane for the most part.

There were FA's aboard and I recall them being quite nice and courteous to everyone on board.

My next "McNamara Fellowship" saw me travel to sunny RVN on a C-141 which had no seats to speak of, meal service only if you got off and bought it, and all the beverages you could smuggle on. This trip started in South Carolina, to New Jersey, then to somewhere in the US to refuel (I slept through it), then to Travis and the same route after that.

When I went on R&R, I somehow got to HNL - but I do not recall how - and caught a BN 747 that was painted orange to DFW and connected on a BAC1-11 to home.

Just an odd note about Saigon. The ICCC was based there and had an old Boeing 307 (maybe a C-75) that was hangered at Saigon. I was told that it flew from Saigon, to Laos, and ultimately to Hanoi on an irregular basis. I have often wondered what happened to that old bird.



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