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767 Takeoff At Klga  
User currently offlineUSAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 820 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

I seen this video on You tube and thought I would share it with others here. It looks like the 76 only used around 2000ft. of runway to takeoff ........

How much runway does a 767 normally need to takeoff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USRSTyZ0P9s

[Edited 2010-02-18 06:28:22]

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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9591 times:

Wow that was short. I'm assuming it was DL to ATL or AC to YYZ. They are the two "big" 767 operators at LGA.

It's a shame that we don't see more of those at LGA. I am all for tighter regulations at slot-controlled airports to incentivize the use of larger aircraft and penalize the use of RJs.

Free-market competition only works in a free market. Slot controlled airports like LGA or DCA aren't a free market but a controlled market, and the assets of the airport are being filled up with 50 seat RJs to keep competition out. That combined with the perimeter rule makes LGA a nightmare in terms of efficiency.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16825 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
It's a shame that we don't see more of those at LGA. I am all for tighter regulations at slot-controlled airports to incentivize the use of larger aircraft and penalize the use of RJs.

Free-market competition only works in a free market. Slot controlled airports like LGA or DCA aren't a free market but a controlled market, and the assets of the airport are being filled up with 50 seat RJs to keep competition out. That combined with the perimeter rule makes LGA a nightmare in terms of efficiency.

More widebodies at LGA is not going to solve the 50 regional jet issue, no airline is going to replace a 50 ERJ with a 200+ seat 767. What is needed at LGA is more 100-150 seat aircraft (717s, 737-500s, 737-700s, A319s, ERJ-190s etc..), those can replace 50 Regional jets.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9507 times:

Wow, that was about a 30 second takeoff roll..... nice rate of climb too.


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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6770 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

Quoting USAir330 (Thread starter):
It looks like the 76 only used around 2000ft. of runway to takeoff

The roll took more than 2000ft btw... (count the number of times the distance markets (per 500ft) it went over before rotating... 4... so it was 2000ft at least. Using timing, it's probably about 2500ft - 3000ft for the roll.

But yes, it's short and quick for the 76...

That take off used a lot of flaps (Flap20?)... so, one would start retracting the flaps earlier...

Flaps started retracting 25 secs after airborne... completed within 1 minute (dunno bout the front slat situation though).

Thanks for the link... nice to see a quick short roll followed by a steep initial climb on the 767...   



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9103 times:

Wow...what a takeoff!

It may have helped that it's a 767-332ER, versus the standard -332. At least I'm basing that on the presence of a fuel dump mast.



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User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4746 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Looks like a lightly-loaded 76ER take-off. Not surprising.


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4192 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

That is a 767-300ER using Flaps 15 for takeoff. The takeoff roll was around 3500-4000 feet. Accel height is 1000 feet out of LGA, not 500 or 2000.

Just becuse you use more flaps on takeoff doesn't mean you begin to retract the flaps earlier. You still do power reduction at accel height (99% of the time that's 1000 AGL) and begin cleaning up there. Flap retraction is based on manuevering speed for each configuration.



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
Wow that was short. I'm assuming it was DL to ATL or AC to YYZ. They are the two "big" 767 operators at LGA.

What about UA and AA they both operate 767's along with US having a small fleet of 762's. In the video description the person wrote that it was an equipment substitution from a 757 to 767 for a trip to ATL so I'd put ALL my money on DL.

FX1816


User currently offlinediscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
What about UA and AA they both operate 767's along with US having a small fleet of 762's.

None of these other operators has had regularly-scheduled 767 operations at LGA in recent memory, if ever.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3765 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8173 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
In the video description the person wrote that it was an equipment substitution from a 757 to 767 for a trip to ATL so I'd put ALL my money on DL.

Which also rules out AC, as they don't operate 757's.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8115 times:

Quoting discoverCSG (Reply 9):
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
What about UA and AA they both operate 767's along with US having a small fleet of 762's.

None of these other operators has had regularly-scheduled 767 operations at LGA in recent memory, if ever.

762s of UA, AA, DL and TW were very common at LGA in the 1980s. If memory correct, LGA-ORD was one of UA's and AA's first 767 routes. The July 1983 OAG shows 21 daily 762 departures from LGA:

UA - 8 (ORD 5, DEN 3)
AA - 7 (ORD 6, DFW 1)
DL - 5 (ATL 2, DFW 2, IAH 1)
TW - 1 (STL)

In those days, DC-10s, L-1011s and A300s were also very common at LGA.


User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Last Nov. I was on a CO flight from IAH-EWR and the plane (767-200) was packed. To my surprise, we took off with less than 3000 feet of runway!

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7942 times:

767s have a lot of power, relatively light weight, and absolutely excellent short-field performance. Not a surprise.

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 13):
767s have a lot of power, relatively light weight, and absolutely excellent short-field performance.

All of which were driven by the launch customer's demand that a 767 be able to get out of this very airport with full payload on a hot day.

Tom.


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
I am all for tighter regulations at slot-controlled airports to incentivize the use of larger aircraft and penalize the use of RJs.

That is a short sighted view because you would also be for reducing or eliminating service to small communities from these airports.

Quoting discoverCSG (Reply 9):
None of these other operators has had regularly-scheduled 767 operations at LGA in recent memory, if ever.

I believe AA had 767 service recently into MIA or FLL from LGA.


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5490 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Yeah it's DL, they're going to ATL. Was fun when they flew -400s in there.

User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 10):
Which also rules out AC, as they don't operate 757's.

Or the fact that they don't operate an LGA-ATL service..........

What a take-ff though. I have experienced a very powerful t/o on AC going to YVR with a VERY light load and the pilots shot it up like a rocket. One of my favourite airplanes to fly, but the 757 takes top prize for favourite powerful t/o!

YYZRWY23



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User currently offlineUSAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 7):

Could you have been the FO on that flight?


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Quoting CatIII (Reply 15):
I believe AA had 767 service recently into MIA or FLL from LGA.

It's been a few years, actually. They do swap them in fairly frequently though, most often to clean up after storm delays, usually on MIA runs. Delta and Air Canada do the same...United less frequently.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Wow, they were wheels up before they even passed the CTB. Very nice! Also, reading the video description says that the flight was supposed to be on a 757 but a last minute equipment sub made it a 763, so a lightly loaded 763 makes sense if they only had a 757 load on the plane.


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4192 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Quoting USAir330 (Reply 18):
Could you have been the FO on that flight?

Nope... but flown into and out of there on many occasions on a 757 and sometimes a 767 on a sub.



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User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Good Evening everyone,

I noticed there is a comment/caption to the right of the video towards the top that says, "...Rare B767 takeoff from LGA runway 31 to ATL on a very windy day", so I'm guessing it's a DL 767 as well.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 4):
The roll took more than 2000ft btw... (count the number of times the distance markets (per 500ft) it went over before rotating... 4... so it was 2000ft at least. Using timing, it's probably about 2500ft - 3000ft for the roll.

I agree...about 3000 feet max or so. I also counted four sets of TDZ markings, plus used timing after that to make my guess. Very impressive indeed. Again, the caption mentioned it was a "very windy day", so if the wind was down the runway, that would have helped too.

Thanks for posting the video! Cheers.


User currently offlineflyboy2001 From Canada, joined May 2005, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

Back when DL used to have the 757/767 MX deal with AC at YVR, we used to see 767 ferry flights (presumably) running low fuel and insanely short takeoffs! Watching one depart 26L, the takeoff roll couldn't have been more than 15 seconds and the pilot reported 2400' AGL crossing the far end of the runway. Yes, it was empty and light but amazing to watch!


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User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

Wow sweet video. You know its windy when the wing is moving up and down while the plane is stopped!!! I love being behind the wings on a 767 during takeoff it sounds literally like a rocket.

James


25 kingFriday013 : You're not taking an AC 767 to ATL from New York City... nor are you on UA or AA either. It's gotta be DL. Great video! Thanks for posting the link.
26 Post contains images JohnKrist : Look at the hangars, they pass them before lift off. Liftoff is around 1st finger of Terminal A and measuring on Google maps gives approx 3500 feet
27 Post contains images mandala499 : Looks like those who did a measurement one way or the other, gives it 2500 - 3500ft... I'll say it again, nice vid... (pax view take off vids are usu
28 Post contains links oly720man : If it's DL, and fairly late in the afternoon judging by the brightness of the lights on the terminal, the flight was probably this one http://flightaw
29 Post contains images Doona : Indeed Cheers Mats
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